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Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 (DS, June in JP, Fall in EU/NA/AU) - Updated May 12th

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White Kyurem is most likely getting a Sp. Atk. increase and a 100% accurate coverage move is better than a 70% one.
Besides your calculations show that with Fusion Flare it can finally 2HKO specially defensive Jirachi, something that Kyurem can't do right now, which proves my point.
Your point? What point? Fusion Flare is inferior to Focus Blast in terms of coverage, which was my point. Not accuracy, COVERAGE. 70% of the time, Focus Blast is 100% better than Fusion Flare. That's both power & COVERAGE. Fusion Flare's just an "extra" move but the problem with your lack of a point is, Kyurem already has Hidden Power Fire which KOes basically the exact same things, so it doesn't change much at all. I should know, I use Kyurem. The power increase from Fusion Flare is very nice, but it doesn't change how Kyurem plays at all.

After 1 layer of Spikes, Hidden Power Fire 2HKOes Sp.Def Jirachi as well. And with your White Kyurem Sp.Atk boost HP Fire would 2HKO anyway. But Kyurem has no business staying on on Jirachi anyway so the entire point is mute.

Katakiri, I think there are too many obvious relations of Kyurem with Resh/Zek for him to be a random dragon falling off the sky: the type core (Electric/Fire/Ice), the name (Rom/Ram/Rem), similar level-up moves (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Tao_trio#Similar_movesets), and more.

And if I remember correctly Giratina wasn't mentioned in any Sinnoh Legend before Platinum. So chance says Lacunosa's Legend is just a... legend.
Giratina really didn't have much of a relationship to Dialga & Palkia either. Giratina controls anti-matter and the Distortion World, where time does not flow and spatial relations are irregular.

Dialga & Palkia control Space & Time in the Pokemon World. Those two don't matter at all to Giratina because time & space are meant to be absent from Giratina's world. Aside from being created by Arceus, Giratina doesn't have a connection to the two past that. Origin Forme shares even less similarities even though they are a trio. It's kind of like the Regi trio. Regigigas created them, but they have no connection besides that.

I'm not saying Kyurem isn't a part of the trio design-wise, it's obvious that it is. I'm saying that Kyurem has no previous importance to Zekrom nor Reshiram. Even if you dismiss Kyurem's backstory, Kyurem is NEVER mentioned anywhere in the legends of Zekrom & Reshiram that we're fed through the entire game. It's always 2 dragons. Never was there any mention of a third dragon that could be Kyurem. The original dragon split into 2. There's no Shedinja to it. How Kyurem fits into the story is entirely unknown.
 
Yes, because everyone mentioned Mewtwo, and Rayquaza in those games...that clearly means they have no connection to anything in the games. None at all. I mean, it FUSES into them. I'm pretty sure that means their is a big correlation between the three. Just because it isn't spelt out for your enjoyment doesn't mean it isn't true.


Also, so was it confirmed by serebii that its type is staying Dragon/Ice apparently.

http://serebii.net/index2.shtml
 
Yes, because everyone mentioned Mewtwo, and Rayquaza in those games...that clearly means they have no connection to anything in the games. None at all. I mean, it FUSES into them. I'm pretty sure that means their is a big correlation between the three. Just because it isn't spelt out for your enjoyment doesn't mean it isn't true.


Also, so was it confirmed by serebii that its type is staying Dragon/Ice apparently.

http://serebii.net/index2.shtml

Read the previous pages of this thread, we already know about Kyurem's typing.
 
katakiri isnt saying it has nothing to do with them, just that its origin may be a seperate process.

I dont see that however. Its essentially what the other 2 are just without its own generator, hence ice instead of an energy type, hence wuji..
 
Kyurem can hit everything in the game minus Shedinja with 3 Moves. With Fusion Flare, Kyurem gets walled by, say it with me, everyone: Heatran. It needs Focus Blast. HP Fire/Fusion Flare only helps take down some Pokemon, it doesn't add to it's coverage because it has everything covered already.

What if Kyurem gets Turboblaze? It's not walled by Heatran, then.. is it?

EDIT: Ninja'd
EDIT2: More like I wasn't paying attention to what page I was on. Whatever.
 
So Terrakion has garbage coverage because Stone Edge is inaccurate? Please.

I didn't say anything about Jirachi, I said coverage. Kyurem can hit everything in the game minus Shedinja with 3 Moves. With Fusion Flare, Kyurem gets walled by, say it with me, everyone: Heatran. It needs Focus Blast. HP Fire/Fusion Flare only helps take down some Pokemon, it doesn't add to it's coverage because it has everything covered already.

But now I will say something about Jirachi because you felt it necessary to bring it up:
252 SpAtk Life Orb Kyurem Fusion Flare vs 252 HP/224 SpDef Jirachi: 57.43% - 67.33%
2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
Nope.

Fusion Flare would be a great 4th move for hitting some Steel-types harder than Focus Blast (outside of Rain) but that's about it.

Terrakion has the reliable and very powerful Close Combat. Stone Edge supplements its coverage. Meanwhile, Kyurem has the unreliable (in terms of sustainable damage) Draco Meteor and the even more unreliable Focus Blast to supplement its coverage. Stone Edge gets STAB, Focus Blast does not. Stone Edge also has a much higher chance of hitting twice in a row (64% vs 49%). They are not comparable in the slightest.

Focus Blast here would be the fourth move, NOT Fusion Flare. Dragon + Fire doesn't have the same neutral coverage as Dragon + Fighting, but it comes damn near close. The more important thing with a Pokemon like Kyurem who is weak to Stealth Rock is that it provides a more reliable coverage attack alongside Dragon. Focus Blast would be used for Tyranitar and Heatran, while Fusion Flare is the better move to spam. When looking for coverage, you should always go with reliability. ALWAYS. This is why Pokemon like Latios can succeed with Surf. Not because it hits Tyranitar super effectively, but because it's reliable.
 
I'm not saying Kyurem isn't a part of the trio design-wise, it's obvious that it is. I'm saying that Kyurem has no previous importance to Zekrom nor Reshiram. Even if you dismiss Kyurem's backstory, Kyurem is NEVER mentioned anywhere in the legends of Zekrom & Reshiram that we're fed through the entire game. It's always 2 dragons. Never was there any mention of a third dragon that could be Kyurem. The original dragon split into 2. There's no Shedinja to it. How Kyurem fits into the story is entirely unknown.
i always thought when the original dragon split there was a massive explosion and an influx of energy which flew up into the sky then formed while in space (which would explain its ice typing)
came crashing back down to earth in the form of Kyurem.
 
i always thought when the original dragon split there was a massive explosion and an influx of energy which flew up into the sky then formed while in space (which would explain its ice typing)
came crashing back down to earth in the form of Kyurem.

At first I was like, Right...

But actually... right o_o

Yeah, maybe black and white splitting off the original dragon, and a meteor crashing above lacunosa, was the same event.

It reminds me of watching Zekrom turning into a ball of lightning, flying up and crashing down.


The ice is explained simply from not having a tail that generates energy.
 
The people of Lacunosa Town might not have known about Kyurem's origins, but perhaps the three Dragons got into a fight, and Kyurem was the loser or something? I'm sure getting hit with two super-powerful Draco Meteors at the same time will definitely be able to send something into orbit. Perhaps Kyurem wasn't originally an Ice-type, but being shot into space altered its' genetic makeup. I'm just assuming things here, of course, but it could be possible. Then when coming back to Earth, it lands near Lacunosa Town, where it starts to prey on humans?
 
It freezes over in space? I'm pretty sure that any living thing would be completely encased in ice if shot into space, or they would just implode from the pressure.
 
@Mario: I could be totally wrong about the pressure thing, but I do know that space is very very cold, so Kyurem freezing up in space isn't all that farfetched.
 
It freezes over in space? I'm pretty sure that any living thing would be completely encased in ice if shot into space, or they would just implode from the pressure.

Oh wow. What to say...

First and foremost, space is cold, BUT: There is no medium through which heat can transfer. That means that the problem with space isn't freezing, it's actually overheating. You have no way to get rid of the heat your body produces.
Also, "encased in ice" implies that lots of water is present and sticks to the body. Where would that water come from?

Then, the pressure (or rather, the absolute lack thereof). Yes, it would kill, but suffocation would be a greater problem. The lungs would almost burst, because the pressure inside them is so much greater than the pressure outside. Though, air has a way to escape from the lungs, it's called "burping". You'd be worse off with the gas pockets in the intestines. The expansion of those could rupture some vital blood vessels.

If the pressure is low enough, your blood would actually start boiling. Boiling temperature is actually dependant on pressure, and given low enough pressure, that temperature could go below 37*C (body temperature). This would be rather unpleasant.

All in all, I'm not sure if suffucation or blood clots would get you first, but I've read somewhere that you have approximately thirty seconds to live if thrown into space. Not sure of what goes for dragons, though.
 
Oh wow. What to say...

First and foremost, space is cold, BUT: There is no medium through which heat can transfer. That means that the problem with space isn't freezing, it's actually overheating. You have no way to get rid of the heat your body produces.
Also, "encased in ice" implies that lots of water is present and sticks to the body. Where would that water come from?

Then, the pressure (or rather, the absolute lack thereof). Yes, it would kill, but suffocation would be a greater problem. The lungs would almost burst, because the pressure inside them is so much greater than the pressure outside. Though, air has a way to escape from the lungs, it's called "burping". You'd be worse off with the gas pockets in the intestines. The expansion of those could rupture some vital blood vessels.

If the pressure is low enough, your blood would actually start boiling. Boiling temperature is actually dependant on pressure, and given low enough pressure, that temperature could go below 37*C (body temperature). This would be rather unpleasant.

All in all, I'm not sure if suffucation or blood clots would get you first, but I've read somewhere that you have approximately thirty seconds to live if thrown into space. Not sure of what goes for dragons, though.

30 seconds? That sounds unbelievable when your blood vessels would explode and the air would be sucked out of your lungs. The brain can function for another 2-3 minutes w/o oxygen, but that would explode too :happybrain: (brain).

Not that Kyurem seems to follow human anatomy, or even regular Dragon anatomy for that matter. We could assume that the meteor probably encased Kyurem in a protective shield that burnt it up in the PokeWorld's atmosphere. Draco Meteor anyone? ;)
 
So Kyurem was shot into space, hit by a Comet, incased in Ice from said Comet, broke off, got hit by meteor and crashed outside of Lucanusa town.

Sounds Legit.
 
"Over 300 million years ago, it was feared as the strongest of hunters. It has been modified by Team Plasma."

"It is thought to have inhabited beaches 300 million years ago. It is protected by a stiff shell." - Kabuto dex entry.

[Kabutops]
It doesnt look similar apart from the core body shape, but I thought the 300million year thing was fun lol.

I think the time frame is just a coincidence; Genesect's body is more truer to an ant (or a wasp etc) while Kabutops fits under [a humanoid like] horseshoe crab or sea scorpion.

Though I do wonder if we will ever see the 'original' Genesect.
 
there is something i don't get, how do game freak plan on integrating the new kyurem forms into the game? i suppose if the player has to go into n's castle, and he summons resh/rom
Kyurem could come flying through the walls and merge with the stone you have, that would be an epic cutscene
 
Oh wow. What to say...

First and foremost, space is cold, BUT: There is no medium through which heat can transfer. That means that the problem with space isn't freezing, it's actually overheating. You have no way to get rid of the heat your body produces.
Also, "encased in ice" implies that lots of water is present and sticks to the body. Where would that water come from?

Maybe Kyurem was Dragon/Water. lol...

It's entirely possible we're going way too far with our theories. You'll probably facepalm when you play the game if you come up with these convoluted storylines of Kyurem's being.
 
I'm sure I'm a bit late to the party on this, but searching through 55 pages is not something I have the time or interest to do.

Anyway, I've seen a couple people mention that they won't (or can't) add new abilities, items, and triple typing because they have to maintain backwards compatibility with Black/White 1. Why not? Gold and Silver were backwards compatible with R/B/Y through the time machine, you just had to not use new pokemon/moves. Why can't they do the same thing with these games? It seems like there's so little they can do with the current abilities and items to actually make these games really stand out from B1/W1. I'm sure Gamefreak is more than capable of accomplishing these things.

Anyways, just a thought. If this has been asked and answered a million times before, feel free to just ignore me or yell at me or whatever.
 
I'm sure I'm a bit late to the party on this, but searching through 55 pages is not something I have the time or interest to do.

Anyway, I've seen a couple people mention that they won't (or can't) add new abilities, items, and triple typing because they have to maintain backwards compatibility with Black/White 1. Why not? Gold and Silver were backwards compatible with R/B/Y through the time machine, you just had to not use new pokemon/moves. Why can't they do the same thing with these games? It seems like there's so little they can do with the current abilities and items to actually make these games really stand out from B1/W1. I'm sure Gamefreak is more than capable of accomplishing these things.

Anyways, just a thought. If this has been asked and answered a million times before, feel free to just ignore me or yell at me or whatever.

they should never add triple typing. never.
 
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