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Pokémon Movepool Oddities & Explanations

In gens 1-3, Psyduck and Golduck couldn't learn Psychic through TM. This is despite, of course, a lot of its lore and concept; the fact it gets Confusion through level up; and a lot of oddities like Poliwrath, Corsola and Magmar getting it.
At first you might think it was an oversight that got corrected in Gen 4... but Psyduck was actually able to get Psychic in Gen 2 and 3. Through breeding. And yet TM29 would not work.

I guess the reasoning is "TMs can only be used once, so we add it as an Egg Move so you don't use the TM", but it still doesn't make sense.

Just like Gengar only being able to learn Sludge Wave through an event when most Poison-types can learn both by TM.
 
iirc, there's actually a fair number of Pokemon that have egg moves that they also learn naturally or via TM. I don't know if it's some sort of oversight or what.
 
iirc, there's actually a fair number of Pokemon that have egg moves that they also learn naturally or via TM. I don't know if it's some sort of oversight or what.

TM moves as Egg Moves made sense in the past when TMs could only be used once.

Now... not so much.

About moves naturally learned from other means... it's kinda funny if you try to breed Sneasel in the Gen VII games, because you'd think at first "I have to find a parent with Ice Shard"... except that wild Sneasel can only be caught at a level where they already know Ice Shard.
 
Things like Kyurem doesn't learn any physical ice type moves is really a huge headscratcher. No ice punch but has shadow claw and dragon claw? Maybe still OK because Kyurem has T-rex like 2-tipped claws which are too small to really punch anybody but can claw someone (as seen in anime where the claws are enlarged), but no icicle spear or even ICE FANG is really strange at best and ridiculous at worst. Kyurem has a huge gaping mouth, yet it CANNOT learn even goddamnt BITE, but somehow it learns FLY of all things.

I want to jump back to this for a moment to mention that Pikachu got Icicle Crash before Kyurem, despite the former having literally no logical way to produce Ice compared to the latter producing it for several of its signature moves.

And this is tangential at most, but what makes an Ice Attack Physical vs Special anymore? Until now I believed enough that the distinction was a simple enough "Physical Ice vs Cold Air" distinction, but Kyurem's Glaciate in B2W2 is depicted as forming Icicles to spear the player with in cutscenes, which if nothing else entails that the "Cold Air" moves could just as easily form solid ice by freezing airborn water, at which point why does the distinction mean anything? What stops an Articuno from smashing Chansey by freezing air to drop Ice instead of trying to ice Chansey directly? In fact that seems like an interesting idea for an Ice type Psyshock clone.
 
I always assumed Kyurem cannot learn something like Ice Fang or Ice Punch because of its base form, as the fusions were forced to share Kyurem's movepool (for instance, Zekrom does learn Thunder Punch). It has stubby arms and... was it ever depicted opening its mouth? I'm not sure.

Focusing on Ice Punch, many Pokemon with stubby arms don't learn punching moves... but this is kinda inconsistent, because the Cranidos line can learn Fire Punch despite their even shorter arms.
 
I want to jump back to this for a moment to mention that Pikachu got Icicle Crash before Kyurem, despite the former having literally no logical way to produce Ice compared to the latter producing it for several of its signature moves.

Note only Cosplay Pikachu could learn Icicle Crash and only as Belle Pikachu as it represented the Beauty category which a lot of Ice-type moves are classified as (and they wanted to have each Cosplay Pikachu special move be a different type). Maybe the costume in some way allowed access to the move, like it generates cold to keep Pikachu from overheating in it and Pikachu can use it as an attack.

But Icicle Crash always had a poor distribution for no reason. Only Pokemon that can learn it are:
  • Level-Up: Alolan Sandslash (though needs to be relearned), Cloyster, & Beartic
  • Breeding: Alolan Sandshrew, Sneasel, & Swinub
The requirement for Icicle Crash isn't quite clear. Honestly it would seem any Physical focused Ice-type would be able to learn it as the animation is just it creating icicles over the opponent. Many of the Pokemon seem to have spikes (or tusks in Swinub's case) as part of their design or evolution's design, though Sneasel family don't but they learn it (they do have long sharp claws). Then again Egg Moves were always given some wiggle room.

But, with that all said, I see no reason why Kyurem, Snorunt/Glalie, Bergmite family, or the Snow family can't learn Icicle Crash. They're Physical focused Ice-type, are able to create air cold enough to freeze, and have spikes (or are just jagged) somewhere on their design or evolution's design.

Curious if it was maybe originally meant to be Beartic's Signature move but GF also let Cloyster get it upon discovering it doesn't have a strong physical Ice-type move (no, only Shellder learns Icicle Spear, also what if you don't want to use a Cloyster with Skill Link?... Okay, you can stop laughing now...).

And this is tangential at most, but what makes an Ice Attack Physical vs Special anymore? Until now I believed enough that the distinction was a simple enough "Physical Ice vs Cold Air" distinction, but Kyurem's Glaciate in B2W2 is depicted as forming Icicles to spear the player with in cutscenes, which if nothing else entails that the "Cold Air" moves could just as easily form solid ice by freezing airborn water, at which point why does the distinction mean anything? What stops an Articuno from smashing Chansey by freezing air to drop Ice instead of trying to ice Chansey directly? In fact that seems like an interesting idea for an Ice type Psyshock clone.

Yeah, it makes no sense Glaciate did that as this is Glaciate's move description: "The user attacks by blowing freezing cold air at opposing Pokemon". Would have probably made more sense if giant icicles formed around the player forming from the ground like stalagmites to physically trap the player with the danger of it freezing the center where you're in. But the animators wanted to be a bit more show-y (or didn't read/care about the move description) and have it creating and controlling icicles even though that makes no sense in context to the move.

But you're right that, from what it looks like, the main distinction between a Physical and Special Ice-type move is that Physical uses frozen water in some way and Special is just cold air/energy (don't think about the science behind that it'll just make your head hurt). The only exception to this is Powder Snow, though the move's description is "The user attacks with a chilling gust of powdery snow", so it is still cold air but just has snow in it.

Category Confusion:
Though this did make me curious: are there other moves which may have category confusion? So I decided to check the other Types and this is what I got:

Normal:
Explosion & Self-Destruct (Physical):
Special Normal-type moves are either about noise or just energy. So why are moves which idea is they're giving off massive amounts of energy Physical? Like, is it the shrapnel the danger here?
Natural Gift & Secret Power (Physical): Here more due to vague name and description. They draw their power from either a Berry or the environment, and that's it. Like these could be made Special moves and no one would have noticed.
Present (Physical): So how does the present do damage? Do they explode (which in that case would be energy)? Does a boxing glove on a spring punch the target in the face (which would be physical)?
Wring Out (Special): How is a move that grabs the opponent and tightly squeeze them consider a Special move?
Fighting:
Force Palm (Physical):
Here because of its description: "The target is attacked with a shock wave". Wouldn't that be more of a Special move than?
Bug:
Infestation (Special):
How is sending a swarm of bugs to cling to your opponent and damage them (presumably by biting/scratching/stinging) be Special?
Struggle Bug (Special): "While resisting, the user attacks the opposing Pokemon". What is this move doing? Like who's resisting, the target or the user? And still, in what way are they attacking that it's considered a Special move?
Steel:
Metal Burst (Physical):
"The user retaliates with much greater force against the opponent that last inflicted damage on it". Here for vagueness, how is it retaliating? Is it throwing a metal object at them? tackling them? Steel energy (which would more be a Special move)?
Fire:
Fire Lash (Physical):
Heatmor's Signature Move, it's an odd one (not only because its an obscure Pokemon that got one two generations after its generation). Idea is I guess Heatmor is attacking with its tongue, but Heatmor doesn't really have a tongue but rather a flamethrower (its Special Attack is also higher than its Attack). So is it solidifying flames to make a tongue to do a 80 Power move off its weaker attack instead of a 90 Power Flamethrower off its stronger offense stat? Sure it decreases Defense but whether the opponent cares about that is just as situational.
Sacred Fire (Physical): Like, I get why, Ho-Oh's Signature Move and it has a high Attack stat, but could they at least say it covers its body with flames and than attacks? All its description says "The target is razed with a mystical fire of great intensity". Or since its mystical it can do whatever it wants?
Grass:
Grass Knot (Special):
Wouldn't making your opponent trip and fall be Physical?
Leaf Storm & Leaf Tornado (Special): This is where it gets tricky. All other "leaf" moves are considered Physical since leafs are a physical object, only other exception being Magical Leaf but it's leafs covered by MAGIC so that explains that. So why are these Special? Is it because it's not the leafs doing the damage but the wind force that causing the leafs to whirl around? Then what do the leafs got to do with that then, isn't that just a Flying-type move than?
Petal Dance (Special): Same issue as above except with flower petals instead of leafs.

Alright, not too bad overall. The most confusing ones are Wring Out, Infestation, and all the Grass-type moves, but I guess you could justify it by saying it was just filling a gap so wasn't meant to be thought heavily upon.
 
Petal Dance (Special): Same issue as above except with flower petals instead of leafs.
It's also got an inexplicable physical counterpart of its own, Petal Blizzard (which has about the dumbest possible distribution for a physical Grass attack).

There's also Frenzy Plant, which, and I quote, "slams the target with an enormous tree" but is special.

Or how throwing a glob of mud is apparently a special attack (Mud-slap/Shot/Bomb), but throwing a rock is a physical one.
 
It's also got an inexplicable physical counterpart of its own, Petal Blizzard (which has about the dumbest possible distribution for a physical Grass attack).

There's also Frenzy Plant, which, and I quote, "slams the target with an enormous tree" but is special.

Or how throwing a glob of mud is apparently a special attack (Mud-slap/Shot/Bomb), but throwing a rock is a physical one.

Unfortunately with Petal Blizzard they kind of backed themselves in a corner as they need a Pokemon with petals to use the move. And a lot of Pokemon with petals normally are Special oriented because of Petal Dance. Only Pokemon who could effectively use it is Lurantis but it may prefer Leaf Blade as it doesn't hit the ally and has the increased Critical Hit Ratio.

Honestly I think the Elemental Hyper Beams should use the user's highest offense stat since they're meant for the Starters only and their highest stat isn't always in Special (also they were introduced in Gen III, before the category split)...

I'm more willing to believe mud is a special property than physical since it is a viscous substance and it's more what the mud contains than the impact from it. Like water itself is unquestionably special, mud is just water with some soil in it.
 
Normal:
Explosion & Self-Destruct (Physical):
Special Normal-type moves are either about noise or just energy. So why are moves which idea is they're giving off massive amounts of energy Physical? Like, is it the shrapnel the danger here?
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I imagine the reason why the two moves are physical is because, like suicide bombers in the real world, the pokemon get as close to their targets as possible before going out in a blast of fury. The impact of the opposing explosion should usually be enough to have a heavy phsyical impact on the bones of mucles of the pokemon and permanently damage them, at least in pokemon terms. Usually gettting exploded by a bomb causes a heavy shock wave, and breaks off most of the bones and the organs, which coincidentally is the reason you die in an explosion. After the blast of the explosion, the pokemon is flung off till it lands, and where it most likely faints because of the shrapnel if it already didn't do to initial explosion. While the phsyicality of the move can be called into question, it should be noted that the blast isn't really "energy" like Shadow Ball or Moonblast, but a physical reaction that your body undergoes in the event of an explosion

This is probably also why Explosion does more damage than Self-Destruct, since explosions are instantaneous, and are more likely to catch the opponent off guard and do more damage as a result, where as self-destructing ( at least in most media depictions) takes more time, and is more telegraphed, leading for the victim to try to escape the vicinity of the exploder, leading for the damage to be lesser.
 
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OK so I was on smog tours and I learned that for some reason, Paras learns Pursuit. Dunsparce also learns it. Actually, a lot of oddballs do - we have Slakoth, we have Karrablast, we have Snorlax and I'm only getting to the surface of this. Pursuit yeah is just chasing something and natural animals do that but speed should count somewhat towards and cicadas, which Paras as a species are based off of, are not carnivores. What the hell is up with this distribution of pursuit?
 
It does learn Cross Chop though at least.
Why does Incineroar get Cross Chop? Cross Chop is clearly a Karate themed move and karate is a very different fighting style than WWE Wrestling. (Well, technically there are many types of karate, but I'm pretty sure none of them are like wrestling.) I mean, can you imagine John Cena or The Rock doing a cross chop? I can't.

Edit: Most of what I know about wrestling comes from watching a youtuber play WWE 2k16, so I shouldn't be that suprised to be corrected.
 
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Why does Incineroar get Cross Chop? Cross Chop is clearly a Karate themed move and karate is a very different fighting style than WWE Wrestling. (Well, technically there are many types of karate, but I'm pretty sure none of them are like wrestling.) I mean, can you imagine John Cena or The Rock doing a cross chop? I can't.
I mean, I can. that doesn't mean it is realistic or will happen

OK so I was on smog tours and I learned that for some reason, Paras learns Pursuit. Dunsparce also learns it. Actually, a lot of oddballs do - we have Slakoth, we have Karrablast, we have Snorlax and I'm only getting to the surface of this. Pursuit yeah is just chasing something and natural animals do that but speed should count somewhat towards and cicadas, which Paras as a species are based off of, are not carnivores. What the hell is up with this distribution of pursuit?

Is Pursuit about the Pokemon's physical movement speed, or their ability to traverse distance. Plenty of species can probably move quickly enough to grab something even if they won't pursue outright (think snatching a chicken leg from the middle of the table vs chasing the dog who ran off with it. Also, Paras may not be so much about chasing to consume for the bug part, but maybe it's about spread the fungus growing on it, akin to how zombies in most media with a fungal agent bite/infect people rather than eat them outright.
 
Why does Incineroar get Cross Chop? Cross Chop is clearly a Karate themed move and karate is a very different fighting style than WWE Wrestling. (Well, technically there are many types of karate, but I'm pretty sure none of them are like wrestling.) I mean, can you imagine John Cena or The Rock doing a cross chop? I can't.

Here's Kurt Angle doing a "running cross chop".

Honestly, I can't see a cross chop ever being a useful move as either one of your hands are blocking the other or they'll hit each other. And sure, you can do one chop and then the other, but that's a double chop not a cross chop.
 
I was discussing about possible Pokémon for a VGC '18 team with a friend and I realized something.

Incineroar, a wrestler, cannot learn Circle Throw.

Maybe it's the difference between throwing someone out of combat in the game and throwing someone out of the ring in wrestling. The fight usually continues after the latter, but not the former.

Or it could be that the anime depiction of the move is a monkey flip. Though that just begs the question of why Infernape doesn't learn it.
 
Why does Xerneas, the Life Pokemon, have no moves that heal itself like Recover, Synthesis, or Moonlight? It has Heal Pulse to heal others, Aromatherapy to cure Status Ailments, Ingrain for minor healing each turn, and Horn Leech (but no Giga Drain) as a draining attack.
 
Why does Xerneas, the Life Pokemon, have no moves that heal itself like Recover, Synthesis, or Moonlight? It has Heal Pulse to heal others, Aromatherapy to cure Status Ailments, Ingrain for minor healing each turn, and Horn Leech (but no Giga Drain) as a draining attack.

Actually I think it makes sense. It spreads life, so it can only really heal others.

The oddballs are Ingrain and Horn Leech.
 
Actually I think it makes sense. It spreads life, so it can only really heal others.

The oddballs are Ingrain and Horn Leech.

It would be weird if Xerneas couldn't learn Ingrain when its shown to become a tree with its roots literally planted on the ground. The only oddball is Horn Leech, but its essentially a tree pokemon without the grass typing so I'd give it a pass
 
I always assumed Kyurem cannot learn something like Ice Fang or Ice Punch because of its base form, as the fusions were forced to share Kyurem's movepool (for instance, Zekrom does learn Thunder Punch). It has stubby arms and... was it ever depicted opening its mouth? I'm not sure.

Focusing on Ice Punch, many Pokemon with stubby arms don't learn punching moves... but this is kinda inconsistent, because the Cranidos line can learn Fire Punch despite their even shorter arms.
Kyurem's mouth is frozen shut, only freed in its White or Black formes.
 
It's strange to me that Alakazam gets so many punching moves. The elemental punches you might be able to excuse due to general psychic special energy stuff - though it's strange that doesn't apply to a lot of other Pokémon - but then you've got stuff like Mega Punch and Focus Punch. Many dex entries go out of their way to explain that Alakazam is ridiculously frail; the entire concept seems to be that it has no physical power and traded in any potential of that for pure psychic prowess. So it getting access to Dynamic Punch and more seems very out of place.
 
Kurona do not forget that Alakazam.is a gen 1 pokemon: a lot of gen 1 and 2 mons have horrid movesets due to the gens still not being well designed (Rhydon learning Surf while weighting like a literal truck and being 4x water weak, machamp able to randomly spit fire, etc).

A lot of gen 1 2 mons have a very very big TM Movepool for no apparent reason.
 
I am quite sure those justifications were added later to make them look like less of a fuck up and not intentionally early :P

For example the very wide distribution of Surf and other HM (that often don't make much sense) was because of gameplay reasons, expecially in early games where water type mons weren't all over the place and available in grass as well.
 
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