Pokémon XY General Discussion

[S0L1D G0LD]

It would be interesting if it were healing and boosting. Im imagining 5 PP, heals half max HP, and boosts Def and SpD one stage.

Five pp is lower then I'd expect gf would ever give a recovery move, let alone a boosting move as as plus one per use you couldn't even hit max. Ever.

 

[DinaIsha]

I think Oorotto will have some relation to Sudowudoo (The game probably mentions something like this in the dex), but will not be a part of its family (Similar to Dedenne and Pikachu).

 

[Gokuzbu]

Has it been revealed when we get the kanto starters? Surely its before post game unlike in HG/SS and Emerald

 

[Yveltal]

Five pp is lower then I'd expect gf would ever give a recovery move, let alone a boosting move as as plus one per use you couldn't even hit max. Ever.

5 PP is just an educated guess, since most signature moves of legendary Pokémon have only 5 PP.

I think Oorotto will have some relation to Sudowudoo (The game probably mentions something like this in the dex), but will not be a part of its family (Similar to Dedenne and Pikachu).

Because one is made of wood and the other is...petrified wood? Any tree can be related to fossilized wood just because they're both tree matter at their core, though. Also, you're insinuating that both Orotto and Dedenne will reference old Pokémon in-game ?_?

Has it been revealed when we get the kanto starters? Surely its before post game like in HG/SS and Emerald

It's believed that you get them in Lumiose City during the main story, but nothing's confirmed.

 

[Hozu]

Five pp is lower then I'd expect gf would ever give a recovery move, let alone a boosting move as as plus one per use you couldn't even hit max. Ever.

Moonlight and Morning Sun would like to have a word with you. Also, use PP ups.

 

[king Riptor]

Has it been revealed when we get the kanto starters? Surely its before post game unlike in HG/SS and Emerald

Fairly early since it happens when you meet the new professor and the dialouge implies hes shocked you have a pokemon already

 

[Barbeller]

http://www.serebii.net/xy/megaevolutions.shtml

Serebii confirms that the Kanto starters are found in Lumiose City. I would imagine that this early game from the way that Sycamore talks to you, and die to the fact that a lot of major cities are found early on (Castelia was 3rd Gym, Heathrome was before the 3rd, can't think of the others off the top of my head).

 

[Platina Kirin]

Ok so you get a gen 6 starter from your friend a gen 1 starter from your proffesor and a gen 3 starter form who? Or only torchic with an event?

 

[Seil]

Ok so you get a gen 6 starter from your friend a gen 1 starter from your proffesor and a gen 3 starter form who? Or only torchic with an event?

So far it's just the Kalos & Kanto starters + the Torchic event.

 

[Mexaldrr]

I hope Pokemon X and Y has 2 or more save files........



P.S Woohoo! I have a 3DS!!
P.S.S I will definitely choose Fennekin because all of the games has FEW fire type pokemons :(

 

[Codraroll]

I hope Pokemon X and Y has 2 or more save files........

I wouldn't even bet a Bidoof on that. If they had, it would have been announced as a major feature already. Not to mention it not only goes against all tradition, but also against the very sales model of the games. "Want to play the adventure anew? Why, buy another game!". The idea behind the games is that you're limited to one adventure per cartridge. If you and your brother both want to play it, you'll have to buy two games. If you want to trade, you need a friend with the game. Multiple save games on one cartridge would severely dent the sales, and thus profits, so it's very likely never going to happen.

 

[Platina Kirin]

Lol i just got the feeling gamefreak will troll us like this:
Fennekin fire
2nd evo: fire
3rd evo: Fire/psychic (everyone is happy)
MEGA evo: Fire/Fighting (everyone raging)

 

[DHR-107]

I hope Pokemon X and Y has 2 or more save files........

They stated in the E3 Round table there would only be one save file. I like it that way.

 

[PME]

Speaking of, Pokémon Bank can be there to be able to store your pokes for another run. I'm especially going to enjoy that since I already had planned on getting a physical X and a digital Y, thanks to this, now I can stock starters from Y to my main X (Not that I don't think I'll use any of them until post game anyway, I'm planning on doing a Kalos only run.)

 

[Green]

If CoroCoro is slated to come out on the 12th, shouldn't we be expecting a leak soon?

 

[Codraroll]

^Thinking about it... yeah. It usually comes out on the 15th and leaks on the 10th. In theory, it could be here any minute. Though, I guess if it isn't here in a few hours, we won't see it until tomorrow. The leaker, whoever that may be, is unlikely to get it between 1 and 6 AM, Japan time.

 

[Mulan15262]

That video has been discussed to death, down to the EVs and IVs of each Pokemon. It was a crit, not a super effective hit... and it is impossible for Sylveon to have taken that amount of damage (it should have taken more). Many people proposed that either Drizzle or crits had been nerfed. Since Drought was confirmed to retain its old effect, Drizzle will as well. Crits seem very plausible as Pokemon Amie can raise the critical hit ratio.

Or the damage formula was changed / Sylveon had a variant of Multiscale instead of Cute Charm.

Or Sylveon had 95 base HP, 130 base Defense, and invested 252 EVs in both, in which case a critical hit, life orb boosted, rain boosted hydro pump does about 50% damage when hindered by Multiscale or a clone of it, or by an ability that halves critical hit damage, which lines up with what we saw without any major changes. That also explains how the next Hydro Pump did only a little bit less, despite being a critical hit.

Here are my previous damage calcs. They assume perfect IVs, moves, stats, or damage modifiers don't change. Also, they assume that Sylveon has 95/60/65/110/135/65 stats, as I would expect and evidence has pointed towards. They also do the only logical assumption for the damage, Sylveon has a Multiscale clone ability. Sylveon could also have an ability that halves the power of a critical hit on it, but I doubt it will happen.

Damage Calculations with Sylveon having a Multiscale clone

252+ SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Multiscale (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 199-234 (50.5 - 59.39%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Multiscale (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 215-253 (54.56 - 64.21%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Multiscale (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 180-213 (45.68 - 54.06%) -- 45.31% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Multiscale (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 199-234 (50.5 - 59.39%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Looks good.

Damage Calculations with Sylveon having an Air Lock Clone

252+ SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) on a critical hit: 265-312 (67.25 - 79.18%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) on a critical hit: 242-285 (61.42 - 72.33%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD (custom) on a critical hit: 286-339 (72.58 - 86.04%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD (custom) on a critical hit: 265-312 (67.25 - 79.18%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I don't think that works.

Damage Calulations with Battle Armor clone

252+ SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) in rain: 199-234 (50.5 - 59.39%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) in rain: 179-212 (45.43 - 53.8%) -- 41.8% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD (custom) in rain: 214-253 (54.31 - 64.21%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD (custom) in rain: 199-234 (50.5 - 59.39%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Looks good.

Damage Calculations with Defensive Politoed running Hydro Pump

No ability in effect:
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 337-398 (85.53 - 101.01%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 370-437 (93.9 - 110.91%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 281-331 (71.31 - 84.01%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Air Lock clone:
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) on a critical hit: 187-222 (47.46 - 56.34%) -- 84.77% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD (custom) on a critical hit: 204-242 (51.77 - 61.42%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD (custom) on a critical hit: 224-265 (56.85 - 67.25%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom) on a critical hit: 247-292 (62.69 - 74.11%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Multiscale clone:
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Multiscale (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 140-166 (35.53 - 42.13%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Multiscale (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 154-181 (39.08 - 45.93%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Multiscale (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 168-199 (42.63 - 50.5%) -- 1.17% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale (custom) in rain on a critical hit: 185-218 (46.95 - 55.32%) -- 74.22% chance to 2HKO

Battle Armor clone:
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD (custom) in rain: 140-165 (35.53 - 41.87%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD (custom) in rain: 153-181 (38.83 - 45.93%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD (custom) in rain: 168-199 (42.63 - 50.5%) -- 1.17% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Life Orb Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD (custom) in rain: 185-218 (46.95 - 55.32%) -- 70.7% chance to 2HKO

So I can conclude that Sylveon either has an ability that halves critical hit damage, or a Multscale clone, orit was up against a Politoed with a defensive EV spread while having either of those aformented abilities or an Air Lock clone, because if it is any of those, the damage calcs line up with the video.

 

[S0L1D G0LD]

Moonlight and Morning Sun would like to have a word with you. Also, use PP ups.

I had forgotten about about those, but not about pp ups. Still, that's what, eight uses?

Doesn't seem like enough to me,, but whatever.

 

[DarkEspeon]

sorry for sounding stupid but
does this mean that we can choose a starter upload it to the cloud then restart and do the same in order to get all of the starters?

Has it been confirmed that the bank isn't a post-game function? If not, I'm willing to bet that it is.

 

[inanimate blob]

Has it been confirmed that the bank isn't a post-game function? If not, I'm willing to bet that it is.

That hasn't been confirmed yet. It would make sense, though, for it to be post-game to prevent situations like this.

 

[soccertrainer]

Has it been confirmed that the bank isn't a post-game function? If not, I'm willing to bet that it is.

That's most likely the case although one can always dream right?
Though it wouldn't be that bad, if you really, really want all three starters you can still get them even if it's a post game function.

 

[Punchshroom]

Guys, regarding the Politoed vs Sylveon argument, we may have missed something that should've been but wasn't obvious...

I noticed that Politoed and Sylveon were of opposite genders. What if Cute Charm was buffed to reduce damage taken by the Pokemon from opponents of opposite genders? I know the implications would be huge, as seeing the calcs, Cute Charm would reduce the damage by half, meaning Cute Charm pokemon would become tanks against like 1/3 of the whole Pokemon population.

Looking at some demos like this one at 3:30, I cannot be certain whether the Cute Charm effect is still applied here. Gabite and Sylveon are indeed of opposite genders, but the move (probably Take Down) still did like just over 1/4~, so no dice yet.

 

[Spenstar]

That's most likely the case although one can always dream right?
Though it wouldn't be that bad, if you really, really want all three starters you can still get them even if it's a post game function.

They have the obedience system so you can't just use level 100 mons from your last playthrough to win so maybe it won't be postgame

 

[pCUBED]

I had forgotten about about those, but not about pp ups. Still, that's what, eight uses?

Doesn't seem like enough to me,, but whatever.

Yeah, 5 is low, but Roost, Recover, Softboiled, Slack Off, and Milk Drink are 10, and they dont buff. Maybe 5 would be more reasonable if it restored 2/3 of your max health?

 

[Agonist]

All the recovery moves with 5 PP have an additional effect depending on the weather, so if it's affected by the weather, then I'd wager it would have 5 PP, otherwise it would have 10.