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Well maybe I was being to optimisitic. But the water and fire ones meets the 75 qualifications and seem viable. My problem with coming up with stats for the grass one was that I went into thinking it would be different then sceptile. Going off of the the confirmed as far as I know high specail attack and speed grass type high attack water type and high hp low defense fire pig.

But i did notice that trend when making up my spreads which is actually why I made it as high as 65 was hoping to drop some off for bulk. However I figured with the guarenteed 75 he would be a sceptile clone. And with his stubby arms which makes sense to me it greatly limits his physical movepool which makes the even 75 atk stat less viable
 
BuddyBlueBomber said:
Good.

I'm more concerned with the types, personally. But that's just me.
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This. I've come to grips with the designs (albeit the only one I had problems with was Mijumaru3). I'm just more worried about the types Pokexperto confirmed with them. It's like the most boring typings they could have given us, they did.

That proof where the little bit of stuff leftover from the Mijumaru2 concept art is pretty damning, though...

As far as stat spread quesstimates, I would say Tsutarja3 should end up high marks in both special stats, since what the rumor was able to gather was that it "had high special stats" which makes me think both and not just special attack. Even if it is not that fast, it will almost surely get Glare, which could help mitigate that a bit, disregarding any speed boosting move it may get.
 
i don't reeeeally care about the water type, we already have so many amazing waters it's ridonculous. But we have shit for fires and only a handful of grassers. I want steel, ghost, or dragon secondary types for them
 
My guesses for the fully evolved starters, based on no starter having lower than 70 HP / 82 Atk / 70 Def / 75 SpA / 70 SpD / 56 Spe, are;

Tsutaja: 70 HP / 84 Atk / 70 Def / 120 SpA / 83 SpD / 110 Spe; Grass/Dragon
Pokabu: 115 HP / 110 Atk / 80 Def / 75 SpA / 90 SpD / 65 Spe; Fire/Steel
Mijumaru: 80 HP / 105 Atk / 90 Def / 95 SpA / 80 SpD / 85 Spe; Water/Fighting

That's at least what makes the most sense to me. It doesn't necessarily have to be identical to those spreads, just a somewhat similar distribution. I realize Dragon seems like an overpowered type for a starter, but Empoleon got steel; the best defensive type in the game, so why can't Tsutaja get the best offensive (Water is arguably the best overall type).
 
Pokexperto should not even be taken seriously. "Oh hai gais I can attest to the evolution's veracity as I've an early copy of the game, HERE'S THE PROOF *really badly photoshopped picture with Pokabu3 being named Mijumaru and having a HP only slightly higher than Pokabu eight levels higher and facing a new pokémon called... Yanappu* TRUST ME I'M WHITE". Yeah, no.



And Tsutarja focus on its special stats. No word was given on its Speed stat, but I'd bet on it being a Roserade stat-wise.
 
You know, when I first saw the pokabu evos. I was digging them. Then I saw the resemblence to Licklicky and now if they are authentic I feel utterly jipped.

I pray whatever he becomes that he is a slow/bulky dark with high Attack. Then Tsujata can go modest/low HP Grass/Psychic with a good Sp. Atk. and Speed (it seems that his second form begins to lose his arms). Wotter must become Water/Fighting if only for his Second Stage and will be Lower HP/Good Defense/High Attack and Speed.

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Anyone else think that Isshu is supposed to be like China? Or Continental Asia?
 
I wonder, maybe Mijumaru3 could be a fast water starter? Anybody make any stat spreads with that in mind? I suppose the Mijumaru3 itself doesn't look that fast but Mijumaru2 really does. I just personally can't imagine Tsutarja3 ending up that fast.
 
somebody just posted this on gamefaqs

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Just want to finalize my guess now all in one post so I have it to check how off I was
Fire Starter- Fire/ Dark
120HP 105Atk 60 Def 90SpAtk 110SpD 50Spe
Move Wish List: Flareblitz great Hp, At least morning as a healing move :)

Water Starter- Water/ Fighting
80 HP 120Atk 60 def 75 Sp Atk 110Sp def 90 Speed
Move Wish List: Close Combat, Stronger Ice Move then Ice Punch, Aqua Jet / Mach Punch (AJ more likely), Sword dance, bulk up

Grass Starter- Grass / Electric
75Hp 65 Atk 80 def 125 SpAtk 85 Sp def 105 Speed (If 75 atk rule applies drop ten from speed)
Move Wish List: Seed Flare or a new base 120 grass move to replace gay solarbeam (probably won't happen) , Nasty Plot or Calm Mind (both seem plausible from the look of him)
 
For starter typings I really want:

Water/Fighting
Grass/Psychic
Fire/Dark

It enforces the cycle, rather than reversing it like it did in 4th gen. Of course, Grass/Psychic is a pretty crappy typing.

I also want a scorpion pokemon.

EDIT: @picture: lmao! People were speculating what that line was on another forum, and no one thought of it as being part of Wotter2's head.

EDIT2: It also looks like Wotter2's name is Rakonsua? I can't tell what that third symbol is, either N or So.
 
PKMN Trainer Manson said:
I wonder, maybe Mijumaru3 could be a fast water starter? Anybody make any stat spreads with that in mind? I suppose the Mijumaru3 itself doesn't look that fast but Mijumaru2 really does. I just personally can't imagine Tsutarja3 ending up that fast.
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Sorry if this turns out to be a double post but I didn't wanna lose my predictions in one post. But yea I was thinking that also which is why I went to base 90 as taht is much faster then all previous water starters. However he seems to have some decent bulk throughout the game especailly in Sp def so I figure that he he would be pretty fast but have a high specail def (takes that elec zebra's tbolt) which high sp def further bolsters the fighting arguement as typically fighting types have high attack and sp def which mijamaru seems to have.

Edit Prof Elm because we are not sure if they will get new abilities only kanto starters and eevees are confirmed
 
Emperor said:
somebody just posted this on gamefaqs

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ahahahah oh wow



But really, from what filb.de has talked about, I'm sure the drawings themselves are fakes, but it's still possible (and according to filb.de, Serebii DOES, in fact, have evidence) the evos themselves are true.
 
Upstart said:
Just want to finalize my guess now all in one post so I have it to check how off I was
Grass Starter- Grass / Electric
75Hp 65 Atk 80 def 125 SpAtk 85 Sp def 105 Speed (If 75 atk rule applies drop ten from speed)
Move Wish List: Seed Flare or a new base 120 grass move to replace gay solarbeam (probably won't happen) , Nasty Plot or Calm Mind (both seem plausible from the look of him)
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I'm praying for Nasty Plot. They gave it to Chimchar and it doesn't even make any sense, I think it fits Tsutarja. Nasty Plot was on my wishlist in the last thread for moves he could get.
 
Upstart said:
Edit Prof Elm because we are not sure if they will get new abilities only kanto starters and eevees are confirmed
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I know they have not been confirmed, but if one set of starters gets new abilities then maybe they all will. For all we know the Isshu starters could have two abilities each as well. It's just fun to speculate and I don't want to talk about the Isshu starter's (fake) evos.
 
Emperor said:
somebody just posted this on gamefaqs

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lol

Please somebody send this to serebii and tell him to stop spouting this "slim chance this is wrong" nonsense Dx

PKMN Trainer Manson said:
I'm praying for Nasty Plot. They gave it to Chimchar and it doesn't even make any sense, I think it fits Tsutarja.
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Monkeys throw feces at people.

this is as nasty as it gets, lol

Anyway it does make sense for tsutarja to get it; snakes are admittedly pretty nasty I guess
 
o well then I hope for solid rock torterra (hey camerupts got it)
Limber / technician Infernape hey he is a monkey
And I guess thick fat empoleon would be funny

Sceptile Saphire dex: Sceptile has seeds growing on its back. They are said to be bursting with nutrients that revitalize trees. This Pokémon raises the trees in a forest with loving care. Built in leftovers

Don't know about swampert

Honestly for blaziken i think blaze is far to appropriate as I can only imagine him going super sayian with flames all around him and pounding shit.

Natural Cure Venusaur
Shell Armor Blastoise
saphire dex entry-Charizard flies around the sky in search of powerful opponents. It breathes fire of such great heat that it melts anything. However, it never turns its fiery breath on any opponent weaker than itself.
This wouldn't be to competitvive but when facing a pokemon with a high level auto choice band/ spec boost while agianst weaker pokemon attack power is halved

Saphire dex-Feraligatr intimidates its foes by opening its huge mouth. In battle, it will kick the ground hard with its thick and powerful hind legs to charge at the foe at an incredible speed.
Intimidate in the text

Saphire dex-Typhlosion obscures itself behind a shimmering heat haze that it creates using its intensely hot flames. This Pokémon creates blazing explosive blasts that burn everything to cinders.

Meganium Idc cuz I hate that thing
 
Mario With Lasers said:
ahahahah oh wow



But really, from what filb.de has talked about, I'm sure the drawings themselves are fakes, but it's still possible (and according to filb.de, Serebii DOES, in fact, have evidence) the evos themselves are true.
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Yeah, I was actually thinking about this earlier. The supposed sources just confirm that Pokemon, but what if the art is just someone's interpretation of them?
Or something.

It'd certainly be amusing if everyone was right all along.
The art being, indeed, fake. But the evos themselves being real.

**sigh*
If only the games came out next week.
 
Unfortunately, Mario With Lasers might be right. Even if the pictures are fake, the evolutions in said pictures could be the same or very similar to the game itself. I don't think we're going to get any closure until we get some official information on the evolutions. I realize saying "Lets leave it be until then" wouldn't work too well, since it's the most controversial topic in B/W history thus far, but I like the idea of talking about said evolutions in a competitive viewpoint. Instead of going "LOLOLOL LOOK AT THIS THE ART IS MESSED UP THAT MEANS THEY'RE FAKE!1!!!"

As for typing/stat spreads, I think it'll be something like this (Using 530 BST)

Smuglord: Grass/Electric
75/95/70/115/90/85
I think it seems like it would be very balanced, although leaning towards offenses. Looks like a fairly good mixed sweeper in my opinion. It could take advantage of the new Growth for some powerful attacks on both sides of the spectrum. In danger of being a Sceptile clone in my opinion, and I hope it will get something to set it apart (Like this set).

Hercupig: Fire/Ground
130/120/60/85/70/65
Your classic slow but powerful build. High HP and low defenses are commonplace on bulky looking pokemon, and is more so physically offensive. Pretty much doomed to be UU or NU considering it's a bulky Fire type. Hopefully Nitro Charge will give it some help in that department. At least it'll be different than any other Fire starter no matter what type it turns out to be!

Samurotter: Water/Fighting
90/105/90/75/80/90
Also looks like a balanced pokemon to me, but with fairly low Special Attack. Water/Fighting makes this a great offensive type, and possibly a good candidate for Choice Items or even a bulky set. I've got fairly high expectations for this pokemon, but it has a lot of competition with so many Water types around.

Of coarse, these are just speculations in relation to the non-confirmed evolutions; they could turn out to be anything! I think the only hard information we have is that Pokabu has high HP and low Defenses, and that Tsutarja is going to have high Special stats.
 
Actually I just thought that while looking at the art again. Although the art is flawed some strong proof must exist to convert all these site masters. I mean they don't want to get flamed for backing lies.

I hope coro coro will shed some light on what is going down but I doubt they will revela the starters evos anyway.
 
Effect Spore Bulbasaur
Shell Armor Squirtle
Flame Body Charmander

Natural Cure Chikorita
Flash Fire Cyndaquil
Intimidate Totodile

Super Luck Treeko
Pure Power Torchik
Arena Trap Mudkip

Drought Turtwig
Quick Feet Chimchar
Pressure Piplup
 
been reading this since the starter evo pics were posted. I could live with the evolutions, though personally, i'd like a mijimaru evolution that has a similar look to infernape.

A fast water starter would make my day, though if Tsutaja does become grass/electric or grass/dragon i'd have a hard time deciding.
As for prediction stats

Fire/Dark: 95/120/95/80/65/65
Water/fighting: 80/110/90/70/80/100
Grass/Dragon/Electric (my personal wish. if they can have triple battles, they can have triple typings): 75/60/70/120/90/115 (though 120 would put it 1 base stat above infernape's total)

So from the looks of things, the next gen is probably going to be another offensively based metagame (with a weird emphasis on accuracy). agree/disagree?
 
I like the design for Smuglord, and hope it stays. If Grass/Electric, that'd be even more awesome. I'd prefer if the Pig was Fire/Dark, otherwise I think it's design is meh. If it's Fire/Fighting, even more meh. The Wotter3 is interesting enough, I'd like it to be Water/Fighting.
 
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