It isn't first come first serve at all. When you took the test had no effect on your chances to get selected, and similarly there was no difference whether you were the first person to sign up as an alternate or the last. Random selection was still used to choose participants, which sucks, but it's better to have at least some people go to the tournament knowing they will be able to play (due to the online selection) rather than everyone be in the same boat of going unsure if they will be able to play (like it was in 2009).
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Pokemon VGC 2010 DATES / rules announced for the US!
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It isn't first come first serve at all. When you took the test had no effect on your chances to get selected, and similarly there was no difference whether you were the first person to sign up as an alternate or the last. Random selection was still used to choose participants, which sucks, but it's better to have at least some people go to the tournament knowing they will be able to play (due to the online selection) rather than everyone be in the same boat of going unsure if they will be able to play (like it was in 2009).
they were both called the VGC weren't they? but yeah I was at the Showdown, last year they didn't hold it close enough for me to get to
and I also don't see how it sounds first come first serve... it says they're put into a pool and randomly selected
Just to clear a few things up....
theamericandream38 is right; Showdown entrance method was an online quiz. you had to take it during a set period of time, IIRC a week or so but I might be wrong. People take the quiz during the time period, and must score above a 15 out of 20. Once the week or whatever has passed, then whoever scored above 15/20 are put into a pool. Then 128 were picked and sent emails saying "CONGRATS, YOU GET TO PLAY, ASDLFDKL". This is entirely before the tournament has even started, like weeks before. Then for the people that didn't show with their pre-invites, those spots were raffled off to on-site participants. So, it's not first come first serve because all of the people who passed the quiz are put into a pool and then the 128 people are chosen from that. You were not given priority if you got a higher score, or if you finished the quiz on the first day. You could have taken it in the last 10 minutes of the period and got a 15/20 and still have the same chance as getting a pre-invite as someone who took it the first day and got 20/20 in 3 seconds.
@howie = Technically, the one in 2008 was called "Pokemon Video Game Showdown 2008", while last year's was "Pokemon Video Game Championships". Now a lot of people just refer to them as VGS 08 and VGC 09. You could call them both VGC though and nobody would really care. :P
I have been doing some research, and I can't find a set amount of participants; could this mean it's to the nearest power of 2(128, 256, etc)? I am still going to look since I don't think that's going to happen.
the registration for Japan is some form of pre-registration, and then if it goes past a certain point then a lottery is involved. Mosquito and I were talking and he thought it might be something like, pre-reg for 256 spots and then if it's higher than that all the spots go to lottery. I'll still try and find more specifics.
theamericandream38 is right; Showdown entrance method was an online quiz. you had to take it during a set period of time, IIRC a week or so but I might be wrong. People take the quiz during the time period, and must score above a 15 out of 20. Once the week or whatever has passed, then whoever scored above 15/20 are put into a pool. Then 128 were picked and sent emails saying "CONGRATS, YOU GET TO PLAY, ASDLFDKL". This is entirely before the tournament has even started, like weeks before. Then for the people that didn't show with their pre-invites, those spots were raffled off to on-site participants. So, it's not first come first serve because all of the people who passed the quiz are put into a pool and then the 128 people are chosen from that. You were not given priority if you got a higher score, or if you finished the quiz on the first day. You could have taken it in the last 10 minutes of the period and got a 15/20 and still have the same chance as getting a pre-invite as someone who took it the first day and got 20/20 in 3 seconds.
@howie = Technically, the one in 2008 was called "Pokemon Video Game Showdown 2008", while last year's was "Pokemon Video Game Championships". Now a lot of people just refer to them as VGS 08 and VGC 09. You could call them both VGC though and nobody would really care. :P
I have been doing some research, and I can't find a set amount of participants; could this mean it's to the nearest power of 2(128, 256, etc)? I am still going to look since I don't think that's going to happen.
the registration for Japan is some form of pre-registration, and then if it goes past a certain point then a lottery is involved. Mosquito and I were talking and he thought it might be something like, pre-reg for 256 spots and then if it's higher than that all the spots go to lottery. I'll still try and find more specifics.
ah I thought it was Pokemon Video Game Championship "The Showdown" I guess this is what happens to two years worth of memory XD
what are the chances that the Uber rule is going to be in play for us? wasn't there something about someone arguing to bar Ubers in the US lol or was that already done and is the reason why there is a two ubers limit?
what are the chances that the Uber rule is going to be in play for us? wasn't there something about someone arguing to bar Ubers in the US lol or was that already done and is the reason why there is a two ubers limit?
Put weavile out front. Ice Shard can PwN a ton of threats (and even scare some people into wasting a turn switching out) and Fake Out is uuberuseful too.
Which should I lead 'em with, Ray?
you might want to give Rayquaza Protect or something, cause I noticed my team would actually fare pretty well against yours .___. and yeah it would be a good idea not to lead with both Ubers at the same time, cause that's what would have given me my advantage... well then again.. I don't have problems with Mewtwo and Rayquaza...
Ok, sounds like a plan.
I suggest using a different scarfer then mewtwo. Mewtwo is already the fastest pokemon in the metagame, and if the opponent isn't using a scarfer, it is a wasted item and is harmful against you. The only priority move that will kill mewtwo is a life orb honchkrow. Maybe a choice banned priority move will kill you, but I'm not sure to many people will run it.
I was actually thinking about running a LO Toxicroak, it absorbs rain, absorbs Water Spout and Surf, it has like a 59% chance to OHKO 4/0 Mewtwo with Sucker Punch, and can Poison STAB (pun intended) Ludicolo, not to mention being able to Sucker Punch Kyogre to weaken its Water Spout, but I'm not sure how viable it would be :/ and Jolly also outruns all neutral nature 90 Base Speed Ubers
Hate to break it to you, but you messed up on the damage calc somewhere.
173 Atk vs 110 Def & 182 HP (80 Base Power): 124 - 148 (68.13% - 81.32%)
That is with Life Orb and Adamant 252 with mewtwo at 4HP
The only pokemon that can KO mewtwo with a priority move is Absol, who lacks a move pool, and Honchkrow. Jolly LO honchkrow sucker punch will OHKO mewtwo every time, if I remember the damage calc correctly.
All that taken into account, you have a second pokemon to target mewtwo as well, which means that 4HP quickly could become Zero, leaving you with 4 and them with 3 and one less attack on the 1st turn. Suckerpunch + some other speedy poke, or priority attack against mewto isn't bad for a strat. :)
I meant 4 HP EVs, not literally 4 HP. But with that taken into account, the opponent can protect if they see two strong priority users, and let the other pokemon do all the work. Also, they can fake out one of the two pokemon, as long as it is fast enough.
Strong priority users will be good this metagame. Maybe we will see Scizor dominate in this tier also :P
Strong priority users will be good this metagame. Maybe we will see Scizor dominate in this tier also :P
Very true. I've been using a Techniscizor with BP/QA/XScz/BBreak and a Technitop with FO/BP/MP/Pro to great success lately. I'm amazed at how much little Technitop can take off! I almost 1HKO'd a Heatran with MP, the other day, and it even was RNG'd (one I gave to a buddy).
I need suggestions for a team...
Hm, I have Groudon and Cherrim as definites...
Should I use Infernape or Ho-Oh?
What else?
Hm, I have Groudon and Cherrim as definites...
Should I use Infernape or Ho-Oh?
What else?
To be honest I really wouldn't bother asking for team advice here (this is a message to anyone asking for team advice btw).
Nobody who's planning on doing really well will offer any help (and that's basically anyone who's any good), and in fact you might even get people who give bad advice on purpose so there's less competition (lol). Also, having your team posted publically makes your strategy common knowledge, and takes any surprise away if somebody good fights you.
And on top of that, it's still way too early to be having anything set in stone. I've got a beta team right now, but it's still liquid and it's more the idea that I'm working on now as opposed to the specific pokémon and sets to use. We don't even know if these rules will be the ones used elsewhere.
Nobody who's planning on doing really well will offer any help (and that's basically anyone who's any good), and in fact you might even get people who give bad advice on purpose so there's less competition (lol). Also, having your team posted publically makes your strategy common knowledge, and takes any surprise away if somebody good fights you.
And on top of that, it's still way too early to be having anything set in stone. I've got a beta team right now, but it's still liquid and it's more the idea that I'm working on now as opposed to the specific pokémon and sets to use. We don't even know if these rules will be the ones used elsewhere.
I don't know Zog. I can't speak for the rest of World 09 people, but I've already been there, and will still participate next year, but I'm not really that worked up about making it there again (although I wouldn't turn down a free trip to Hawaii, duh). I'm already in the process of "tutoring" like 6 other people on another site in hopes of getting them there. I'm perfectly happy with giving real team advice. I don't know about the rest, but it's just a game after all. And no single person has any secret information that isn't already out there (except for you Syrex!!! >:P).
However, Zog, you are right about it being waaaaaaaaaay to early to even start putting anything set in stone down as your team. The US Rules are not out yet and so we really have no idea what the metagame will look like. :/
However, Zog, you are right about it being waaaaaaaaaay to early to even start putting anything set in stone down as your team. The US Rules are not out yet and so we really have no idea what the metagame will look like. :/
two things, one I'm annoyed at users posting teams for a metagame we know so little about by simply saying pokemon, I'm planning to do a live tournament with Japanese '10 rules tonight so look for a thread, go on the irc, play, learn a bit, then play a few more months, (maybe six) till teams actually matter and then post when you have tested alot and other people have played the ruleset enough to be able to help you, then I, and others will be more open to posting advice. (all of that is if we keep these rules, otherwise start over). Secondly good teams don't have a gimmicky strategy that can be ruined by people knowing it, good team can be well known and still do well unless people build their teams to counter.
EDIT: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62249 there so now there is reason to believe any of this stuff, I expect a large portion of this thread to be there
EDIT: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62249 there so now there is reason to believe any of this stuff, I expect a large portion of this thread to be there
there's nothing entirely wrong with having a gimmicky strategy, after all you're only facing each person once, so surprises can be very powerful since no one should really know your team at the time they're facing you. But yes, the team should still be rather stable by itself and the gimmick should really only be there to unbalance your opponent.
this tournament is about consistency not in winning percentages but in win streaks, no one cares if you win a massive 90 percent of your games if you can't win through a tournament or one loss in swiss so that you can move on, gimmecks by nature can fail at unpredictable times and you could loose to someone much worse than yourself just because the gimmick failed which is a horrible trait to have in vgc tournaments
Not necessarily - while it would hurt (in a single match vacuum), in a large-scale tournament, you have to prepare for other teams, and not just counter one. I signed up for a tag-team WiFi tournament as a VGC player and had to face batpig's brother - he completely demolished my '09 team, no doubt because he knew what my leads were. If that were the VGC, he couldn't do that (in theory), because countering a Follow Me/Dark Void combo means you won't necessarily be able to handle a different team (like Trick Room)
I know what you're saying - I'm not preparing specifically for an Uber-included metagame (though it can't hurt; for all we know, at some point, American players WILL have to learn Doubles that include 2 Ubers), and I fully intend on using my team from last year (though I may modify it a little) if we have the same rules as '09.
If I figure out IRC, I'll be in that tourney. The last time I tried running it, I couldn't (probably due to my stupidity.)
Wobb and Wynaut aren't all that great in doubles. Assuming they don't die before they get to use them, Counter and Mirror Coat will only damage the last Pokemon to attack.
Phione (and by extension Manaphy) are event Pokemon.
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