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the only new type idea i've thought of that i think could kinda sorta maybe have a glimmer of potential is a Slime type. Even then I have no idea what old mons would be retyped besides Goodra, Wugtrio and Muk
 
Divine Retribution said:
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Jirachi is right there, Bronzong is never getting used, ever.
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Heatranator said:
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Protect+lefties alongside wish passing is more then enough recovery, utility it has in protect to absorb f-sight, rocks and psychic noise. I'd say that gets it enough bitches.
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Why even post Kyurem lol. How is Kyurem similar to either of these Pokemon?

Also why are we counting Protect as a utility move as if literally every single Pokemon doesn't learn it? And Psychic Noise? Are we really scraping the bottom of the barrel like that? All Bronzong fans are actually fucking delusional I swear to god. The only bitches yall ever get is when your mom comes in to bitch at you to clean your room (you should really clean your room though, you haven't in 6 months)
 
Divine Retribution said:
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Jirachi is right there, Bronzong is never getting used, ever.
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SupaGmoney

SV OU Thread 'Peaked #1 (2039 ELO) – Bronzong Stall'

Peaked #1 (2039 ELO) – Bronzong Stall

:sv/Blissey: :sv/amoonguss: :sv/bronzong: :sv/Gliscor: :sv/dondozo: :sv/alomomola:

https://pokepast.es/1b7720880ff5cff1

Table of Contents
  • Introduction
  • Proof of Peak
  • Team Members
  • Threats
  • Replays
  • Acknowledgments

Introduction

:Bronzong: is a Pokémon that I had wanted to build a stall team around for a long time but never quite got around to using. However with the drop of :Kyurem: in DLC2 and the rise in viability it saw following the tragic...
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this was a sample at one point btw. bronzong beats kyurem
 
Zonger discussion is missing the big picture point that the new use case for Zong that started this was Psychic newly resisting / being SE to Fairy, but

1) Steel already does these things, so it's not a huge deal for Zong specifically - other Psychics have more to gain
2) Rachi is also Steel/Psychic, so it'd also get this benefit, just like Zong

Zong people can be happy Zong is D rank in OU and Rachi is unranked
Rachi people can be happy that Rachi is C / A+ in UU / RU while Zong is unranked / C

I subscribe to this thread for shit takes not shitmons. Time to take this thread back to its projectile shitting origins
 
AN is right, but it's also fun to think about why some people do have a big negative reaction and aren't just performative. I'm going to guess it's mostly Americans freaking out - I don't think many other places use ketchup enough to care, and Americans are an awful lot of the internet. I'll use the opportunity for some fun cultural commentary for our non-American readers.

Ketchup is in a funny place in America. It's extremely standard and respected on a limited, defined selection of things - burgers, fries, hot dogs, chicken, and that's probably it. It's generally seen quite negatively outside that. Like ketchup on eggs is definitely a thing, and some people love it, but most people will turn their noses up at it.

Even further, ketchup has a reputation / stereotype as something that people overload on food when:

1) The food is exotic / unfamiliar to them and they actively don't like that, or they just habitually have a very limited American-focused diet, such that they're drenching an American-associated condiment without regard for how its flavor will match the food's flavors;

2) They don't like the food, masking its flavor with this strong, establishment consistent flavor. Often overlaps with 1.

3) They have poor culinary taste, carelessly dumping this strong flavor, which Americans generally believe is only compatible with a few things, onto whatever else. Often overlaps with 1, again.

It's obviously good to try new things, and not ideal if someone refuses that in favor of dumping ketchup on everything, but there's definitely a classist angle here too. Poorer, rural, white, Appalachian/Southern people are stereotyped as having much more limited, boring, processed, cheap, unhealthy, etc. food. A lot of white bread, heavily processed meats and other products like bologne and Cheez-Whiz, and yes, ketchup. Which is how you get things like ketchup sandwiches, a stereotypical poor white person food.

Soapbox time: I'll emphasize "cheap." This food often is easy to buy and cheap in America and is calorie-dense, and there is some truth to people in these groups eating it. However, it is better to understand the poor-health aspect as coming from poor wealth, food access, and knowledge / guidance, versus people being specifically flawed or uncaring when it comes to health.

Also. While of course dietary health is good, and culinary expertise and palate are skills that can be cultivated, I am hardly here to trash on any group's cuisine. We don't expect our friends to become food critics, and we usually aren't close to that level ourselves, so we shouldn't expect them to think and choose food like food critics, or seriously trash them for making choices we don't like. Friendly ribbing is different of course. I'm not saying anyone trashed anyone here, just a stance I have when it comes to food.

OK. We were talking about pizza. The average American would interpret "ketchup on pizza" as a direct squeeze on a cooked pizza from a bottle, and they'd have an immediate negative reaction from what I talked about, not even thinking about the specific taste combination. I wouldn't personally be a fan of it myself - not only am I very finicky when it comes to food in general, but the lukewarm temperature of the ketchup with the hot temperature of the cooked pizza is not a dynamic I like. Of course, not only might you like it, you may also do different things with the ketchup than the average American would expect from hearing "ketchup on pizza," like a different or less standardized ketchup flavor, or even putting it on before you bake the thing. Heck if I know. Have fun
 
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Adeleine said:
I actually somewhat care about defending Seaking. It does some things right.

1) Recognizable design. That black and bright orange sets it apart, even today.
2) Color balance. The mottled intense colors at the center, with much softer white and specks of blue at the periphery, make it genuinely very pleasant to look at, dynamic and striking without being too busy and cluttered.
3) Shape. With its rounded, stouter, compact figure instead of a koi fish, it both looks more Pokemon-like and more active, more full of agency, more like it would strike or hit at something.
4) Transition. All these three advantages are more pronounced because Goldeen doesn't have them. Goldeen is paler, balances color differently, and, thanks to its tail, longer. A more basic fish design leading into Seaking make its good traits stand out and feel like an improvement.
5) The horn gives it something to do that isn't just swimming. I know a lot of Gen1 Pokemon have this horn somewhat arbitrarily, but it's especially great for Seaking (who has less obvious ways to interact and engage otherwise), and they've used the horn to give Seaking cool goodies like Megahorn, Drill Run, and Lightningrod.
6) After enough generations, it's in a pretty neat spot in battle, with Swords Dance, Swift Swim, Lightningrod, and a colorful coverage set letting it do a lot of cool things. It is far from good, but it is unique and cool, and that's what I care about in battle.

Seaking's no Gengar or Charizard, but I'm legitimately glad it's here. Personally, it's my 5th favorite Water-type and in my top 100 overall.
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this may be the first time I've given seaking this much thought, and it does give me some second-hand appreciation lol. Water itself was originally this umbrella typing for both things that have water-related powers and things that live in water. With so much competition, a lot of unremarkable, average Pokemon are going to get ignored unless a particular design speaks to you.

But that's not it. Like there are some "mid" Pokemon that you're going to use out of curiosity like Butterfree or Jigglypuff. But the thing with water pokemon is that they're annoying to encounter. Either you're spammed with them when surf (half so underleveled it's not worth the PP to KO), or you have to go fishing which is an annoying mechanic.

I feel fish get the shortest end of the stick because they're more "natural" and less fantastical.

I've been thinking a lot about Golduck lately. I tried it out in a Nuzlocke against some made-harder version of Giovanni's Gym where it sacrificed itself after living and taking out most of his team. I wanna use it for real. Also Snubbull on my next playthrough of Johto. And Girafarig in Gen 2 because I liked it in Soul Silver. but at this point I'm rambling. but i think a lot of Snubbull. I rotate it in my mind and stuff.
 
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