Move Power-Up Punch

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Jaroda said:
As someone mentioned this move seems better on stall teams where a bulky mon can take advantage of the passive stat increases with good healing, rather than sacrificing a vital slot solely on raising your At. It sounds awesomr on a Rest Talk set.
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It's much better to simply use a pure setup move like Bulk Up, Curse, or whatever if you go this route.

The only Pokemon I would probably Power-Up Punch on is Mega Kangaskhan. Mega Kangaskhan can use it to decent effect because Kangaskhan lacks a +2 boosting move. By the way, Power-Up Punch does in fact increase Attack two times if you have Parental Bond; me and a few other people have tested this already.
 
As a said in the general thread, I think this move may see some use on Pokemon who have a relatively open movepool for filler moves like this, Terrakion in particular comes to mind. This move can be used as filler to get an extra +1 boost on already weakened Pokemon.
 
DTC said:
It's much better to simply use a pure setup move like Bulk Up, Curse, or whatever if you go this route.

The only Pokemon I would probably Power-Up Punch on is Mega Kangaskhan. Mega Kangaskhan can use it to decent effect because Kangaskhan lacks a +2 boosting move. By the way, Power-Up Punch does in fact increase Attack two times if you have Parental Bond; me and a few other people have tested this already.
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But doesn't Work Up also do the 2X boost without relying on an attack blockable by Ghosts? Seems more effective to me.
 
Ah, but from what I've heard on Kangaskhan the boost works twice. Meaning you end up with +2 Atk and +2 SpA, keeping enemies guessing on "is he running Fire Blast or something?" and being afraid to switch in Skarm or suchlike.
 
Mattman324 said:
Ah, but from what I've heard on Kangaskhan the boost works twice. Meaning you end up with +2 Atk and +2 SpA, keeping enemies guessing on "is he running Fire Blast or something?" and being afraid to switch in Skarm or suchlike.
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Parental Bond only works on damaging moves. Power-Up Punch will give +2 but Work Up would only give +1 just like it normally does.
 
Rechi said:
Parental Bond only works on damaging moves. Power-Up Punch will give +2 but Work Up would only give +1 just like it normally does.
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It's uses are slowly growing...

Also, would anyone like to assist in the Hawlucha cleaner testing since apparently I'm too blind to read "Gen 6 custom game format" is only available in the Challenge menu.

Edit: Okay, so my initial testing didn't go very well. Hawlucha is frail as hell and it really cannot take a hit to save it's life. So what I'm doing now is running a Jolly Nature and seeing what it can do with it.
 
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Surprised nobody is talking about this move with M-Blaziken. Had it throughout the game and some wifi battles, it's pretty good.
 
The main abuser of this move, as said before, will be Mega Kangaskhan. Breloom might want to use this due to Technician? I doubt it, it can run Swords Dance and it is already carrying a 40 BP move in Mach Punch, so it'd be redundant.
 
Princess Bubblegum said:
Ah damn I forgot this could be technician boosted.

On Breloom it has the same base power as Bullet Punch.
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The problem is that it is still competing against mach punch, which is STAB priority. Breloom should be boosting with Swords Dance in order to be able to set up faster and still have three moves available to him.

If we leave Power Up Punch as his STAB of choice with, say, Bullet Seed, Rock Tomb and Knock Off with Band, Spore otherwise. It's still looking pretty bad, not having priority really hurts Breloom. I don't think any Pokemon should be using a base 40 move as its only STAB unless it has priority.
 
nikovan said:
The problem is that it is still competing against mach punch, which is STAB priority. Breloom should be boosting with Swords Dance in order to be able to set up faster and still have three moves available to him.

If we leave Power Up Punch as his STAB of choice with, say, Bullet Seed, Rock Tomb and Knock Off with Band, Spore otherwise. It's still looking pretty bad, not having priority really hurts Breloom. I don't think any Pokemon should be using a base 40 move as its only STAB unless it has priority.
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All things considered, fair enough, but what other choices does Breloom have, really? And this is all speculation that it's getting Power-Up Punch. Any confirmations on that yet?
 
norelationstojfk said:
I can only see it being any good on Kangaskhan because of the double hit, but I don't know if its confirmed to actually give it the stat boost twice. There are lots of moves out there that raise stats upon usage that never took off, and I don't see this one being any different from Flame Charge and other moves in the same vein.
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Except that Flame Charge is actually viable in certain cases, with Sweeper Ho-oh in particular appreciating the speed boost while dealing moderate STAB damage. But a sole attack boost with such a weak attack as this one is basically no different than, say Howl or Meditate, which are competitively useless moves.
 
Hitmontop MIGHT be able to use it. It has Technician and gets STAB from. Thats the only thing I can think of that hasn't been mentioned yet. Its just a fun gimmick to use imo.
 
Something notable about this move though, you can still get a kill with it and get a boost. Not saying it's half past viable suddenly now that you think of it that way, but I kinda think to the ability Moxie a bit. Being a Fighting-type move, it generally has some decent coverage, and if you manage to come in on a weakened Pokemon weak to Fighting who has the capability of doing a big hit to you should you choose to set up instead of kill it, this move kinda gives you that "middle ground" so to speak. Same deal with a hard-hitting frail attacker who can't afford to set up without taking a large chunk of damage in return should they not go for the kill. Not saying it outclasses outright boosting by any means, as Swords Dance is a phenominal move. But I do feel some pokes could take advantage of this in some convenient situational ways. Emphasis on convenient and situational, tho
 
Some of the lower tier Pokes could take advantage of this now I'm thinking about it. That and the previously brought up Mega Kangaskhan effectively gets an 80 Power double boost which is basically Swords Dance but it does damage. Still seems really gimmicky though and even then it seems more trouble than it's worth.
 
KnivesInAToaster said:
Some of the lower tier Pokes could take advantage of this now I'm thinking about it. That and the previously brought up Mega Kangaskhan effectively gets an 80 Power double boost which is basically Swords Dance but it does damage. Still seems really gimmicky though and even then it seems more trouble than it's worth.
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Well, on Kangaskhan it isn't more trouble than it's worth because the boosts are actually impressive and the damage ramps up quick - it's an SD that does damage, why wouldn't you? On Technician things, MAYBE - Hitmontop was mentioned? He can use it well, though it would still be a gimmick. So at least there's some use.
 
Mattman324 said:
Well, on Kangaskhan it isn't more trouble than it's worth because the boosts are actually impressive and the damage ramps up quick - it's an SD that does damage, why wouldn't you? On Technician things, MAYBE - Hitmontop was mentioned? He can use it well, though it would still be a gimmick. So at least there's some use.
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Mostly because you'd be running this over, say, Drain Punch. Kangaskhan isn't the bulkiest Pokemon so anything to help it out in this regard is a blessing.
Hitmontop may be able to use this, all things considered - if it can learn it. Any confirmations?
 
Remember NU has some threatening Fighting types that'd love to take a chunk out of those defenses. Sawk in particular comes to mind followed by Combusken.
 
There is no NU at the moment. Why would Kangaskan try to use Power-Up Punch on Fighting types anyway? It can use Power Up Punch on something it can hit for super effective damage to garner a Swords Dance while wearing it down or get a free +2 on the Pokemon switching in. Kangaskhan also learns Bulk Up, so it can use Drain Punch there, or use both on an all-out attacking set. There are a lot of possibilities for a powerful Pokemon that can attack twice (yes, I know the second hit is half damage, but it's still a very useful capability; a separate crit chance on both attacks, for example).
 
SJCrew said:
There is no NU at tahe moment. Why would Kangaskan try to use Power-Up Punch on Fighting types anyway? It can use Power Up Punch on something it can hit for super effective damage to garner a Swords Dance while wearing it down or get a free +2 on the Pokemon switching in. Kangaskhan also learns Bulk Up, so it can use Drain Punch there, or use both on an all-out attacking set. There are a lot of possibilities for a powerful Pokemon that can attack twice (yes, I know the second hit is half damage, but it's still a very useful capability; a separate crit chance on both attacks, for example).
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Not what I meant, exactly.
Yes, there isn't an NU as of now, but depending on where it ends up, it still has it's share of problems. Normal typing can be a blessing and a curse for it with how many Fighting types in general run rampant and with how priority is such a major part of the metagame, anything with Mach Punch or that generally outspeeds it can be a major threat to it.

I did a run of calcs of Choice Scarf Sawk VS Sub Punch Kangaskhan from the BW/2 meta and...

"Close Combat: 139.61 - 164.54%
Ice Punch: 29.36 - 34.62%
Stone Edge: 39.05 - 45.98%
Earthquake: 39.05 - 45.98%


252+ Atk Sawk Close Combat vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan: 504-594 (139.61 - 164.54%) -- guaranteed OHKO

(504, 510, 516, 522, 528, 534, 540, 546, 552, 558, 564, 570, 576, 582, 588, 594)"

As I said, it's a blessing and a curse to be a Normal type. Yes, the new generation may give Khan his boosts but it's still not going to have the edge it wants against fighting types unfortunately. It's easily forced out by Fighting types and unless it learns something like Zen Headbutt through breeding or Move Tutors, it's still going to have the problem of being out sped. Maybe it would be viable to run a Choice Scarf set but that defeats the purpose of running Power-Up Punch.

Mind you, I really do think Khan's getting a major boon this generation from this move and Parental Bond but it's glaring issues is going to need either major team support or some really good new moves. Maybe it learns a new Fairy move - Play Rough would be perfect.
 
hey quick question. let's say a pokemon has the ability moxie and power-up punch, power up punch OHKO does your attack stat boost by +2?
 
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