QuagZard - The Ultimate Setup

[obi]

Blaze is a 50% increase, not a 30%. Blaze Belly Drum Fire Punch OHKOs Gyarados and Salamence after the Intimidate, as I said in the Charizard analysis. Gyarados and Salamence need two Intimidates and 208 HP EVs to always survive Fire Punch, and if they have 4 HP EVs, they need 3 Intimidates for it to be guaranteed.

 

[GEPH]

wouldnt swampert be a better pokemon to use since hes the same type as quagsire but with better stats???

Swampert cannot learn Encore, which is part of the set-up.

 

[Deck Knight]

wouldnt swampert be a better pokemon to use since hes the same type as quagsire but with better stats???

He's using Encore to trap them in a grass move, potentially KO'ing Quagsire and giving Zard a chance to set up. Swampert doesn't get Encore, erego it can't do this.

You might be able to pull this off with Swalot too, it lures out EQ like nothing else.

 

[Peanut-Lover]

Serious question, stimulated by first post...

Why not recoil > sub? as in, Flare Blitz > Substitute, lead with that, drum, and attack with aerial ace/rock slide/EQ (obviously choose 2)?

 

[Firestorm]

Serious question, stimulated by first post...

Why not recoil > sub? as in, Flare Blitz > Substitute, lead with that, drum, and attack with aerial ace/rock slide/EQ (obviously choose 2)?

You'd want Fire Punch to sweep. You'll usually want Double Edge instead of Flare Blitz as most things that would switch in on Charizard probably resists Fire. Both work fine, it's up to preference. You're going to be keeping Fire Punch no matter what though.

 

[Peanut-Lover]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but outside of killing a skarmory or metagross, are fire moves really seen?

 

[acinod]

Fire moves are very common to counter steel types. Most dragons such as Salamence, Garchomp and Dragonite carry fire blast/flamethrower to counter the steel types that resist their dragon attacks with Heatran as an exception. Charizard must have a fire type move because it is his STAB and most reliable move.

 

[obi]

And because Blaze makes Fire Punch 50% stronger.

 

[latinoheat]

meh this is hardly new this type of strategy has been around since it was announced charizard got belly drum.

 

[Farewell]

Crobat: @ Focus Sash

Mean Look
Hypnosis
U-turn
Taunt

Use Mean Look and hang on with Focus Sash, and then Hypnosis their Pokemon. Taunt can be used if you predict a Substitute, or their Taunt. After doing so use U-turn to switch to Charizard, since they cannot switch out their sleeping Pokemon due to Mean Look. Now, they have a sleeping Pokemon that they must switch out, giving you a turn for Substitute on their switch.


Requires some luck, in the hope Hypnosis doesn't miss, and they don't wake-up when you U-turn, but it is much more likely to suceed since you don't have to worry about Encoring the right move.

 

[cim]

Wow, that seems like a decent idea to set up a BellyZard. Could have sworn someone posted that a lonnng time ago...

EDIT: Oh wait someone just bumped an ancient thread... :( necroing is bad.

 

[Krul]

Do people even look at the post dates anymore? Something smells dead here. Oh right, it's the topic.

 

[acinod]

lol reviving old threads

i really hate swampert

i can never OHKO it and it just roars me away

 

[Great Sage]

Don't bump old threads.

 

[Mekkah]

posting in a locked thread to say I was the first one to theorymon Hypnosis/Mean Look Crobat xD

 

[obi]

Posting in a locked thread to say that saying "lol necro post" is Junior Modding. From the rules:

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