There's also Accelgor (145), Dugtrio (120), Sceptile (120), Zebstrika (116), Persian (115), Sneasel (115), Floatzel (115), Swoobat (114), Serperior (113), Purugly (112), Jumpluff (110), Archeops (110), Liepard (106), Rapidash (105), Lopunny (105), Cryogonal (105), Emolga (103), the Simi's (101), Fearow (100), Raichu (100), Dodrio (100), Miltank (100), Linoone (100), Slaking (100), Regigigas (100), etc. though admittedly few of those are used that much.
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Rarely Used (RU) Tier
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There's also Accelgor (145), Dugtrio (120), Sceptile (120), Zebstrika (116), Persian (115), Sneasel (115), Floatzel (115), Swoobat (114), Serperior (113), Purugly (112), Jumpluff (110), Archeops (110), Liepard (106), Rapidash (105), Lopunny (105), Cryogonal (105), Emolga (103), the Simi's (101), Fearow (100), Raichu (100), Dodrio (100), Miltank (100), Linoone (100), Slaking (100), Regigigas (100), etc. though admittedly few of those are used that much.
Typhplosion is outclassed by moltres, for example tinted lens choice speccs yanmega will do 85.6 - 101% damage with bug buzz on typhlosion while moltres takes 35-46% damage from the bug buzz so even with rocks up moltres can easily revenge yanmega.
Also typhlosion is a 1 trick pony, everyone knows it runs choice scarf/speccs and is going to spam eruption while moltres can be choice scarfed or a sub roost staller which requires different tactics to beat
Edited for ones you'll ever see. And Cryogonal and Miltank should be taken with a grain of salt, as they never invest in Speed.
It may be one trick, but its a good trick that Moltres can't do, which is why its used.
You DO realize that you need a Scarf to outspeed Yanmega with Moltres, right? And besides, as if one would stay in on something that could revenge it.
Also, I think Scarf Tinted Lens Yanmega is seriously underused for no reason.
Think about, you outspeed a huge amount of pokemon in the tier and even if your attack is resisted, you'll probably kill it if it isn't a wall in the next turn. Heck, you could even go for a sweep against a weakened team.
agreed, although i personally think that you should run specs on a choice yanmega. Yanmega really is seriously underused in general and should be used more, with two of the best abilities in the game and all-around good stats (except spdef). It's typing is really the only thing holding it back. If it was Bug/dragon we wouldn't be talking about it in the RU thread guarenteed.
Your Speaking in terms of the tier tiers right? Because Yanmega is number one in RU lol
I find Specs tinted lens Mega is under whelming if you have a wall like muchlax or pokemon that can revenge it.
And be revenged by tons of Base 100 Speed and higher? HELL NO.
If something like Entei, Thyplosion and the like go for Max Speed (and usually, they do), you'll be killed by a swift Eruption, Flare Blitz etc.
I'm sure Specs has amazing damage output. But all of that power is useless if you get killed before using it. You even lose the ability to sweep weakened teams if you go for Specs, due to it being easily revenge killed.
Hah, if Yanmega was a Bug/Dragon type, it would be better off then being Bug/Flying with about 10 other Pokemon. It would lose its' 4x weakness to Rock moves and to Stealth Rock, although it would still keep its' Rock and Ice weaknesses. It would still lose 25% health per switch, but it's better then 50% per switch. Just have a spinner handy, or don't let Rocks get up. Even with its' horrendous defensive typing, it still fares well as a deadly sweeper. 
yes i was talking tier wise, yanmega should be at least low to mid UU
and here are some calcs
modest specs yanmega bug buzz vs max/max eviolite munchlax:
241 - 285 (50.84% - 60.13%)
if this calc is incorrect i apologize, if it is correct it means MUNCHLAX is 2HKOED!!! that is totally ridiculous.
Edit:By The Way stallmandibuzz if it was bug/dragon it would get draco meteor!!!!! that is one of the things i was referencing. yanmega would be to broken for ru to handle (like it has a happy time handling it now).
Facepalm..... tinted lens somehow affected the damage on the damage calculator i was using, but it STILL has a chance to 2HKO after stealth rock with your calc munchlax with standard curselax ev spread is a guarenteed 3HKO after SR so it still can break walls effectively.
Specs TL Yanmega is not meant to sweep, it's meant to break down walls on the team for another pokemon to sweep. Scarf TL Yanmega sounds interesting, but I'd rather have the power then being revenged by a few select pokemon I could just switch out of. Speed Boost Yanmega is more likely to sweep.
Stealth rock will mutilate yanmega without rapid spin support, so yanmega wont be at full health very often, but that is a good thing if you keep stealth rock off the field it could totally break munchlax.
Stealth Rock is the bane of Yanmega, so keeping it at bay would be key to have a Yanmega sweep. One round of SR mutilates 50% of our Bug/Flying sweeper with no problems, so a well-placed SE move would smother it and drop it dead.
Are you serious? I'm a pretty good player, IMO, but im not the best. Yet, abusing those threats allowed me to reach both rank 1 with my main (Ephraim) and rank 3 with my alt (Pombo). Currently, im 1 and 7.
Munchlax can play around yanmega? True. But yanmega has a much easier time playing around munchlax. After a Sdef drop, Bug Buzz deals 54 - 63%. That and 36 - 42% means you will deal 90 - 105% 1 layer of spikes or SR is enough to solve this, as there are no lefties.
If you think that abusing the 10% chance is unreliable, just make it rest, and then abuse the new sleep mechanics, allied to the unreliability of Sleep Talk.
WTF are you talking about, pombo??
Bring steelix/blastoise and Roar it away. If you have some layers, it will be easy to put Lax in the 72% range (which, according to knightowl (because im too lazy to make calcs :D) is the number you need for a clean 2HKO). Or shuffle it a bit more, as it is UNABLE to heal for 2 turns after it switches in. This means that constant entry hazards damage will allow any (decent) special 'mon to beat it.
Slowbro and Reuniclus is a sure counters to Conkel, as Durr cant do anything to them (unless he is at +6, but thats not a realistic scenario) and they can threaten him. In RU, yanmega has no sure counters. If you pick the right move/have some layers, nothing can stand in yanmega's path.
Edit: Im not mentioning ultrabulkyhahahghosts blastoise or fighterscanttouchme claydol
Munchlax can play around yanmega? True. But yanmega has a much easier time playing around munchlax. After a Sdef drop, Bug Buzz deals 54 - 63%. That and 36 - 42% means you will deal 90 - 105% 1 layer of spikes or SR is enough to solve this, as there are no lefties.
If you think that abusing the 10% chance is unreliable, just make it rest, and then abuse the new sleep mechanics, allied to the unreliability of Sleep Talk.
WTF are you talking about, pombo??
Bring steelix/blastoise and Roar it away. If you have some layers, it will be easy to put Lax in the 72% range (which, according to knightowl (because im too lazy to make calcs :D) is the number you need for a clean 2HKO). Or shuffle it a bit more, as it is UNABLE to heal for 2 turns after it switches in. This means that constant entry hazards damage will allow any (decent) special 'mon to beat it.
Slowbro and Reuniclus is a sure counters to Conkel, as Durr cant do anything to them (unless he is at +6, but thats not a realistic scenario) and they can threaten him. In RU, yanmega has no sure counters. If you pick the right move/have some layers, nothing can stand in yanmega's path.
Edit: Im not mentioning ultrabulkyhahahghosts blastoise or fighterscanttouchme claydol
Hmm.. but wouldn't a few layer of spikes completely trash Ferroseed? When you say you take two bug buzzes with sliver of health, you mean you get 2HKO'd with Spikes support. Also, given that the Yanmega user successfully spins away the rocks, opposing Yanmega could just throw out an attack and switch out, leaving you without a safe switch-in into Yanmega.
I'm really wondering why Munchlax is the one and only dedicated special wall people run. I'm not saying it's bad (I use it too on one of my teams) but let's be honest--the sleep mechanics will eventually fuck over it, even if you have Aromatherapy support. (given that the opponent is smart enough to not give the cleric a free switch in every dozen turns) Clefable really sounds like a plausible alternative to munchie. With 1 turn recovery and immunity to status, it beats most special bugs (Mega and Venomoth) 1 vs 1. Oh, and if unaware is released, you also completely trash something dangerous such as SubCM Cresselia.
I'm really wondering why Munchlax is the one and only dedicated special wall people run. I'm not saying it's bad (I use it too on one of my teams) but let's be honest--the sleep mechanics will eventually fuck over it, even if you have Aromatherapy support. (given that the opponent is smart enough to not give the cleric a free switch in every dozen turns) Clefable really sounds like a plausible alternative to munchie. With 1 turn recovery and immunity to status, it beats most special bugs (Mega and Venomoth) 1 vs 1. Oh, and if unaware is released, you also completely trash something dangerous such as SubCM Cresselia.
Agreed. Even though its not a surefire counter, specially defensive clefable is the closest thing we have for yanmega in this tier.
Ferroseed has a big time against opposing grass pokes, as they dont allow it to heal. And, as amarillo said, you can prevent a cleric/wisher from freely switching in. And hey, do you know who does this job pretty well? Thats right, Yanmega.
Ferroseed has a big time against opposing grass pokes, as they dont allow it to heal. And, as amarillo said, you can prevent a cleric/wisher from freely switching in. And hey, do you know who does this job pretty well? Thats right, Yanmega.
I think it really depends on what fits your team but there are a lot of decent checks to tinted lens Yanmega that people just don't think of:
252 HP/252 SpD Careful/Sassy Regirock @ Leftovers takes 35.7%-42.3% from choice specs bug buzz and can twave, rock slide or put up SR. Unfortunately you have to be wary of Giga Drain but even that only does 40.1%-47.3%. So with lefties still a 3HKO.
Then there is Klang and to a lesser extent Womadan-S(mostly cuz it sucks), Here are their respective calcs:
Klang 252/252 CarefulSassy @ Eviolite vs Choice Specs Tinted Lens Bug Buzz: 34%-40.7%
Wormadam-S 252/252 CarefulSassy @ Eviolite vs Choice Specs Tinted Lens Bug Buzz: 31.5%-37.7%
Klang is overall better imo because it has access to twave and toxic for a defensive approach so if you predict correctly you can either cripple mega or the switch in or you could use a combo of charge beam/automize to build speed and SpA(70 base) and run something like Flash Cannon/Hidden Power of your choice. Shift gear may look more appealing at first but seeing as Klang's hardest hitting steel move is Gear Grind/Return, physical is definitely not as appealing.
Womadam-S is a straight utility at best as it also gets toxic but from there its sparse. You can run swagger to get confusion but giving +2 attack is rarely appealing, it also gets attract which is a push even with the fact that all wormadam's are female. Interestingly it gets Rain Dance and Sunny Day so those could be put in if you'd like, just remember its 5 turns as without eviolite Wormadam is reallllllly shitty. If you want to try toxic stall it does get protect, and it has access to Struggle Bug/Captivate. As kind of a last go at making this thing seem viable it also gets psych up, so if you happen upon the rare speed boost Mega you can copy it's boosts to your awesome base 36 speed.
These were just some ideas off the top of my head, and if I delve deeper I'm sure there are much better options not foreseen yet.
Personally I find Regice to a decent check as STAB Ice beam/Twave/Toxic/Tbolt really covers most of yanmegas switches.
252 HP/252 SpD Careful/Sassy Regirock @ Leftovers takes 35.7%-42.3% from choice specs bug buzz and can twave, rock slide or put up SR. Unfortunately you have to be wary of Giga Drain but even that only does 40.1%-47.3%. So with lefties still a 3HKO.
Then there is Klang and to a lesser extent Womadan-S(mostly cuz it sucks), Here are their respective calcs:
Klang 252/252 CarefulSassy @ Eviolite vs Choice Specs Tinted Lens Bug Buzz: 34%-40.7%
Wormadam-S 252/252 CarefulSassy @ Eviolite vs Choice Specs Tinted Lens Bug Buzz: 31.5%-37.7%
Klang is overall better imo because it has access to twave and toxic for a defensive approach so if you predict correctly you can either cripple mega or the switch in or you could use a combo of charge beam/automize to build speed and SpA(70 base) and run something like Flash Cannon/Hidden Power of your choice. Shift gear may look more appealing at first but seeing as Klang's hardest hitting steel move is Gear Grind/Return, physical is definitely not as appealing.
Womadam-S is a straight utility at best as it also gets toxic but from there its sparse. You can run swagger to get confusion but giving +2 attack is rarely appealing, it also gets attract which is a push even with the fact that all wormadam's are female. Interestingly it gets Rain Dance and Sunny Day so those could be put in if you'd like, just remember its 5 turns as without eviolite Wormadam is reallllllly shitty. If you want to try toxic stall it does get protect, and it has access to Struggle Bug/Captivate. As kind of a last go at making this thing seem viable it also gets psych up, so if you happen upon the rare speed boost Mega you can copy it's boosts to your awesome base 36 speed.
These were just some ideas off the top of my head, and if I delve deeper I'm sure there are much better options not foreseen yet.
Personally I find Regice to a decent check as STAB Ice beam/Twave/Toxic/Tbolt really covers most of yanmegas switches.
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