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Also imagine how bad you would feel losing this set if you agreed to redoing, can you blame Michi for wanting to avoid that?
it really should never feel bad to do the right thing, even michi themself have said that they wouldn't even be too against that
I would also point out that Lechen reconnected multiple times, which makes me wonder what went differently that last time? Are there precedents for disconnection leading to a name change auto forfeit glitch?
it's cause he restarted his browse rather than disconnecting normally, exactly why the glitch occurred here is beyond me though, I've never heard of or seen this happen anywhere to anyone (despite my paranoia everytime the confirmation pop-up appears)
 
To everyone claiming that redoing the game holds no disadvantage for Michi, I would ask to view the mental side of this:

Michi is in a position were he has won now, while Lechen is in a position where he lost. If they redo the game, Michi is in a position where he can only lose what he already had, while Lechen has nothing to lose, only something to gain. That creates an unfair balance that could be mentally taxing for michi.
Also imagine how bad you would feel losing this set if you agreed to redoing, can you blame Michi for wanting to avoid that?
You could make the exact same argument for every disconnection ruling in a teamtour that led to a recreate - the player who didn't disconnect claimed a win, is in a position where they won now, and can only lose what they had, while the player who disconnected can only gain something. Is this grounds for no recreations in a teamtour?
 
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Ruling on Michielleus vs Lechen

Situation:
In Game 4 of the series between Michielleus and Lechen, an incident occurred on Turn 2 in which "Lechen" logged out and subsequently logged back in as "lechen." This action triggered an automatic forfeit, as Pokémon Showdown (PS) recognized the change in capitalization as a name change, resulting in disqualification. This behavior has been confirmed: PS does in fact disqualify you for changes in capitalization.

Typically, forfeits are always treated as a loss, no matter the reason. "Tough luck, you shouldn't have accidentally forfeited." On the other hand, disconnects are handled on a case by case because disconnecting because of say, your internet connection, shouldn't mean you lose the game. Fundamentally, things out of your control are given more leeway.

While this was a literal forfeit, the forfeit was forced by PS. In spirit, the circumstances are more akin to a disconnection caused by an external factor, and as such, it merits a case-by-case evaluation.

Ordinarily, disconnects are managed by utilizing PS features to recreate the battle with identical teams and resuming at the point of interruption. However, in Random Battles, such an approach presents complications, as it is possible to get a player’s entire team from the battle replay. In the worst case scenario, one person knows how to do it and they gain a huge advantage, and even if both players know how to do it, at that point you're not playing Random Battles, you're playing Random Battles + Team Preview. Recreating with same teams is not a viable option.

(It's been long enough that we can't recreate it using PS in-built features anyway, but it would've raised some interesting questions).

The decision ultimately comes down to either awarding Michielleus the win based on the technical forfeit or voiding the original Game 4 and scheduling a new Game 4 entirely.

On the concept of "precedence": one could argue that if this game gets replayed, then any player can simply trigger an auto forfeit on turn 2 if they feel that they have a bad team/matchup. However, that issue can be solved easily by acknowledging that this one time was a freak accident and should be replayed, and moving forward it will always be a loss, to avoid exploitation of a ruling. The root is finding a solution that is fair in this context, and trusting our successors to use common sense in the future.

Is it unfair for Michielleus to have to play a new game? He didn't make his opponent log out and log in again. He didn't make PS cause a forfeit. If he had some sort of perceived advantage by Turn 2, no matter how small, that advantage is gone through no fault of his own.

Is it unfair for Lechen to lose the game? While he did make the actions that led to a forfeit, could anyone have foreseen that changing from "Lechen" to "lechen" would lead to an auto forfeit? How much personal responsibility do you attribute to Lechen?

Both perspectives are reasonable. No one is unsportsmanlike for appealing for a win. The key here is that what happened was not a simple accidental forfeit, it was an issue with PS itself. What happened deserves a more nuanced treatment than, "Unfortunate, but you did forfeit so you lose." Given the context of the original game, Michielleus would not be wronged by playing a new game and would not be receiving any sort of real disadvantage.

Decision:

Given these considerations, the ruling is to void the original Game 4 and replay it. This approach maintains fairness for both players, acknowledges the unusual nature of the situation, and ensures that the outcome of the match is determined by skill rather than an unexpected technical quirk. Additionally, establishing a rule to treat name-change forfeits as losses in future cases will help prevent exploitation and set clear expectations moving forward.
 
Wow only the 2nd match and we already have a huge complication :( Good call imo that game 4 is replayed. Fortunately the game was still very young, altough michi had the slight fav position. If the game would be in a later stage and michi still had a fav position it would have been much harder to call it a replay.

Now the only bug that i have on showdex is that it autoswitches or autoselects a move instantly after the last move. This can be cancelled if the opponent waits long enough. This is a common bug as more people complain about it. Happens to me 1 in 10 games on average. Now i need a new laptop anyway so if anybody has suggestions of laptops that do not have this bug(even better if you have friends who share the same setup) i would be very thankfull. Switching browsers doesnt seem to work.
 
Wow only the 2nd match and we already have a huge complication :( Good call imo that game 4 is replayed. Fortunately the game was still very young, altough michi had the slight fav position. If the game would be in a later stage and michi still had a fav position it would have been much harder to call it a replay.

Now the only bug that i have on showdex is that it autoswitches or autoselects a move instantly after the last move. This can be cancelled if the opponent waits long enough. This is a common bug as more people complain about it. Happens to me 1 in 10 games on average. Now i need a new laptop anyway so if anybody has suggestions of laptops that do not have this bug(even better if you have friends who share the same setup) i would be very thankfull. Switching browsers doesnt seem to work.
The bug is because you’re clicking skip animation, and ShowDex makes weaker systems lag a bit, so what you thought was the skip animation button was actually a move or Pokémon in the server’s mind.

You can avoid this by not clicking to skip animations, or turning animations off if you dislike them in general.
 
The bug is because you’re clicking skip animation, and ShowDex makes weaker systems lag a bit, so what you thought was the skip animation button was actually a move or Pokémon in the server’s mind.

You can avoid this by not clicking to skip animations, or turning animations off if you dislike them in general.
There is a whole reddit post about this bug. Even one of the makers of the showdex calc replied and said nothing could be done about it. They also fail to recreate the bug.
 
There is a whole reddit post about this bug. Even one of the makers of the showdex calc replied and said nothing could be done about it. They also fail to recreate the bug.
That’s because Showdex does not select a move for you. It is impossible that it does that, even as a bug. Instead, the issue is what I said it is.

You can feel free not to listen and keep accidentally selecting moves you don’t mean to select, all I can do is inform you :blobshrug:
 
That’s because Showdex does not select a move for you. It is impossible that it does that, even as a bug. Instead, the issue is what I said it is.

You can feel free not to listen and keep accidentally selecting moves you don’t mean to select, all I can do is inform you :blobshrug:
Thanks for informing me with the knowledge that you have
 
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