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Lower Tiers RBY NU Hub

Crazy how this all happened because Slowbro dropped form OU and UU banned partial trapping. Now Vic and Venusaur are about to swap tiers and all the NU waters are dropping to PU other than Poliwrath and maybe Kabutops. Also crazy to me that a mon that was once in the argument for top one in UU and undesputedly top 3 has dropped to NU and is now undesputedly top 1 and his number 2 is the fucking rat.
 
In light of the recent viability changes , we have compiled new sample teams for the updated list of legal mons! Big thank you to everyone who submitted teams!

:tentacruel: :poliwrath: :kadabra: :mr_mime: :golem: :charizard:
Tent wrath mime golem by hammer798

:arcanine: :kadabra: :vaporeon: :kabutops: :tangela: :charizard:
Arc kabu tang zard by hammer798

:dewgong: :vaporeon: :kadabra: :venomoth: :kabutops: :tentacruel:
Dewgong moth kabu tent by hammer798

:arcanine: :poliwrath: :golem: :dewgong: :raticate: :kadabra:
Arc wrath dewgong golem by Toxin Boost

:charizard: :victreebel: :vaporeon: :mr_mime: :golem: :kadabra:
Zard vic mime golem by Toxin Boost

:mr_mime: :venomoth: :tentacruel: :vaporeon: :charizard: :kadabra:
Mime moth tent zard by Toxin Boost

:charizard: :venomoth: :kadabra: :raticate: :nidoking: :tentacruel:
Zard moth nido tent by TG2513

:mr_mime: :dewgong: :vaporeon: :kadabra: :nidoking: :electrode:
Mime dewgong nido trode by TG2513

:arcanine: :raticate: :dewgong: :kadabra: :charizard: :victreebel:
Arc dewgong zard vic by Maris Bonibell

:tentacruel: :kadabra: :vaporeon: :raticate: :venomoth: :porygon:
Tent moth pory by Maris Bonibell

:venomoth: :kadabra: :vaporeon: :fearow: :tentacruel: :golem:
Moth fearow tent golem by Maris Bonibell

:charizard: :kadabra: :vaporeon: :raticate: :venusaur: :electrode:
Zard venu trode by Maris Bonibell

:charizard: :venomoth: :mr_mime: :kadabra: :kabutops: :nidoking:
Zard moth mime kabu nido by Tree69420

:poliwrath: :omastar: :venusaur: :raticate: :kadabra: :golduck:
Wrath oma venu duck by Tree69420
 
shreves0 said:
I want to ask, how are Poilwrath and Poilwhirl in the same tier? That just makes no sence.
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Excellent question!
Poliwrath and poliwhirl have historically coexisted due to their different stat spreads and typing allowing them to fill seperate niches.
Poliwhirl for example is pure water type and has base 90 speed allowing it to excel in lead situations where a poliwrath would likely struggle.
Henceforth they've shared a tier for some time.
 
Theycallmephil said:
Excellent question!
Poliwrath and poliwhirl have historically coexisted due to their different stat spreads and typing allowing them to fill seperate niches.
Poliwhirl for example is pure water type and has base 90 speed allowing it to excel in lead situations where a poliwrath would likely struggle.
Henceforth they've shared a tier for some time.
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So what are their niches? In which situations is it better to have each one? If Poliwrath learns seismic toss and counter, what threats do those moves check?
 
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sumwun said:
So what are their niches? In which situations is it better to have each one? If Poliwrath learns seismic toss and counter, what threats do those moves check?
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Ur question doesn't really make sense but ill try to explain

>positives of poliwhirl(keep in mind this pokemons presence is extremely diminished with shifts)
-More polarized lead matchups due to speed i.e ties mime, etc
-not weak to psychic or flying so its less vulnerable to venomoth(speed tie here again)
>positives of poliwrath
-has actual bulk
-real mon outside of lead shenanigans so less upset if forced out t1

Ur comments about stoss and counter are pretty irrelevant i feel so not sure how to answer that part.
 
sumwun said:
So what are their niches? In which situations is it better to have each one? If Poliwrath learns seismic toss and counter, what threats do those moves check?
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all water types use seismic toss to hit other water types and the click also does ok damage to everything else, it being used by poliwhirl, poliwrath or another water type doesnt have a meaningful difference between them really. both pokemon can make use of counter tho id argue wrath is a better user due to the higher hp stat to return more counter damage. the tier is still pretty new, the first teamtour w this ruleset only started recently but id say poliwrath is more viable than poliwhirl rn due to vaporeon and kadabra's presence
 
sumwun said:
So what are their niches? In which situations is it better to have each one? If Poliwrath learns seismic toss and counter, what threats do those moves check?
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Poliwhirl: 90 Speed means you speed tie Venomoth and Mr Mime on a lead, meaning you can stay in and gamble Hypnosis. Poliwrath only has 70, meaning it's slower than Venomoth and Mr Mime on a lead position and is threatened by a Venomoth Sleep Powder or a Mr Mime Psychic/Thunder Wave to a switch in. Poliwhirl is also pure water and not half fighting which means it isn't weak to a Drill Peck or Psychic.

Poliwrath: Actually Bulk. 65/65/50 is atrocious for Poliwhirl and leaves it's not only getting 2HKOed by attacks that would only 3HKO Poliwrath, but it's missing out on OHKOs like +2 Blizzard against Fearow or +2 Hydro Pump on Raticate. And while Counter is never really used, Seismic Toss is your best option into opposing Waters while Poliwhirl can't do anything other than fish for a Blizzard Freeze.

Ultimately, Poliwhirl is better sleep lead than Poliwrath but Poliwrath is more versatile with it's sets and in the mid game.
 
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