Remember how things were like in early DP?

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I was just remembering early DP, and thought it'd be fun if Smogon had a "Generation IV History" section chronicling the trends of the generation (it does say "Smogon University" in the upper left corner). Sadly, I don't think anyone has wasted their time recording what the trends were like. But still, thought it'd be fun to reminisce about how early DP was like.

Something I remember from early DP is how so many people were calling for Tyranitar to be Uber after they found out about the Sandstorm boost. Boy has that changed now that people have managed figure out ways how to comfortably deal with Tyranitar.

Gyaravire was very rampant in those days, but that was before people figured out that Electivire could be walled fairly easily with Pokemon like Cresselia and even Hippowdon, which didn't take much from Ice Punch.

Life Orb Infernape was a bit more common back in the day, since people didn't have to worry about Sandstorm as much and people hadn't figured out a concrete way to deal with Mixape yet.

I laugh remembering when people were leading with the "Al Gore" Ambipom set.

Specsmence was probably one of the most seen Pokemon back in those days as well.

What else do you remember about early DP?
 
This has been done before, shame the threads were purged...

I remember seeing the Heatran will be BL because of sucky typing.

And the 120 in each stat pokemon which people thought it was a snorlax evo...
 
Extreme Garchomp, TTar and Rhyperior hype. Calls for TTar to be uber, and extreme outrage when the 1.5x boost to Rock Types' SDef was discovered (yeah outrage, you should have seen people's reactions).

2 Pokemon that were deemed to be too useless because of a 4x weak to what was the most common physical move in the game(Heatran) in ADV or written off because of a weakness to Pursuit(Celebi) have become
extremely dominant now.

Gyaravire has already been mentioned. Weavile too was hyped a lot, and it has come closer to meeting expectations than Electivire.

People were just slapping together teams of random sweepers plus BlissCress and battling.

Then came Obi's stall team. All the laddernoobs started running it resulting in the whole metagame grinding to a halt for a while. Then someone started ripping stall apart using Lucario, which has lead the metagame to its current state. Wonder what'll happen here on.
 
The metagame before shoddy battle was unique. A lot of leftover pokemon from the previous generation dominated teams with a few new toys from this generation being tossed in. GyaraVire was on half the WiFi teams I faced, Swampert was everywhere, and Blissey was (and still is and will always be) dominated as the special wall of choice. Cresselia was one of the early D/P walls to be adapted into teams on WiFi to stop the GyaraVire trouble. Bronzong's weren't seen often on WiFi as most people either didn't care enough to breed for him as they didn't realize his potential as such a solid wall. Lucario's seemed to be nonexistent and lots of comments on him being "overrated" for a little bit. I think shortly after shoddy battle came out his popularity really rose as the SDance set started to get noticed. Mamoswine was pretty much nonexistant on WiFi, and even in the early weeks/months of shoddy battle until he got spammed on the ladder as every team seemed to be Mamo weak. There's a bunch more I know - but the general trend of early D/P was that the carryover pokemon from the last generation dominated before shoddy battle came out as people didn't have the time or easy way to realize what new D/P pokemon would be worth the time to breed for.
 
gmax said:
Extreme Garchomp, TTar and Rhyperior hype. Calls for TTar to be uber, and extreme outrage when the 1.5x boost to Rock Types' SDef was discovered (yeah outrage, you should have seen people's reactions).

2 Pokemon that were deemed to be too useless because of a 4x weak to what was the most common physical move in the game(Heatran) in ADV or written off because of a weakness to Pursuit(Celebi) have become
extremely dominant now.

Gyaravire has already been mentioned. Weavile too was hyped a lot, and it has come closer to meeting expectations than Electivire.

People were just slapping together teams of random sweepers plus BlissCress and battling.

Then came Obi's stall team. All the laddernoobs started running it resulting in the whole metagame grinding to a halt for a while. Then someone started ripping stall apart using Lucario, which has lead the metagame to its current state. Wonder what'll happen here on.
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I dunno, Garchomp overhype at least proved true since Garchomp is the #1 most used Pokemon. Rhyperior was definately overhyped (I'd personally always thought it sucked even with Hard Stone), and T-tar...well, it's still popular, same as always. But the cries for it to be uber have died down.

Funny enough, I'd always thought Heatran was viable, though not to the extent people use it now. Gyaravire has definately died, since it was both obvious when you saw it and the fact Electivire doesn't have that killing potential to finish things off with Motor Boost unless they were all nearly dead.
 
I remember Misty overhyping Garchomp like you wouldn't believe. Every. F'ing. thread. She/he was right, though.

Even stuff that had nothing to do with pokemon:

Q: So guys, do you think the yankees will even make it to the playoffs next year?
Misty said:
Well they will still have Jeter, but Garchomp's odd 102 speed could be trouble deep into the game.
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I also remember a buttload of Rhyperior overhyping that didn't make any sense, alot of Heatran speculation (its detractors were wrong), and a constant stream of silly arguments about why their favorite pokemon should be OU.

On a personal note, I was right about Heatran being top-tier OU, but man was I wrong about Gliscor. I thought it would be UU. No idea what I was thinking.
 
I remembered when everyone was saying D/P would be a sweepy generation until Obi's stall team hit. I also remember the pregame "OH MY GOD RHYPERIOR WILL CHANGE POKEMON 4EVER" hype, seriously he has the same typing as geodude with dual x4 weaks, even with hard stone or whatever that ability was he'd still get 2HKO'd by any special water/grass attack coming off of decent stats.

I also remember the whole advanced mindset leaking into D/P at the start, with everyone still running skarmbliss/specsmence and 3 random sweepers. Gyaravire was popular (which is why it's actually a lot more effective now, it's old news and nobody expects it anymore) and mixed sweepers not named Infernape/Swampert didn't exist for months into the game. The funny part was, Infernape didn't kill skarmbliss for months and months, people kept on using it and kept on getting schooled by ape until they got frustrated enough to put a cress over skarm which killed his use until the stall teams came around. I remember people saying Lucario sucked and would be BL too, as well as Heatran.
 
-"SpecsMence and Porygon-Z rip the metagame apart (whether it's because Blissey is here or some other reason, I dunno, but I haven't seen them being nearly as broken as people made them out to be)"

-"Head Smash/Rock Polish Rampardos is devastating"

-"My God, Rhyperior is broken with Solid Rock!"

-"Pshah, Trick Room is useless in doubles (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)"

And other such things...
 
I remember when it was said that Snorlax and Milotic would never be OU again, because they lost their strengh... now they are OU too.

Rhyperior and Rampardos were in really high levels, and now, they are midium BL... Rhyperior is still good, but it needs a lot of support because of its weakness.

When we saw a Gyarados, we never sent an electric attack, because Electivire was always there. Now it's barely used, but it's still OU, which I don't understand why.

The last thing that I remember is when Manaphy wasn't banned in OU... this thing isn't as good as we think (I think xD).
 
I heard people went crazy over Rampardos, Sandstream Cradily, and the like.

I remember reading an early analysis with Regice and Blissey running no Special Defense and them both stating that handling Azelf is extremely hard (HINT: USE. SPECIAL. DEFENSE. EVs.)

Rhyperior was crazy overhyped. Gyarados was crazy overhyped because people I guess thought that "not being stet-up fodder" is such a terribly broken thing. Its analysis still has that insane overhypeness in it.

I was off in my own noobish world though, so don't count me here.
 
I remember people saying how someone in gamefreak had a personal vendetta against Flygon.

I mean, 102 base speed is taking the piss just a little.

And it has to to said, it worked well, because i have NEVER seen a Flygon on Shoddy or WiFi.
 
The one thing I remember was how people were calling Abomasnow trash, because of it's typing, etc., and look where it's at now. :P

(I gotta get out of the habit of calling it Obamasnow............)
 
There were obviously plenty of "this pokemon is trash" "this pokemon will never be useful" but that was all talk, before actual testing.


The "Al Gore" Ambipom I remember the most. How it was the cool thing to use. Same with Gyaravire.
 
Skarm/Bliss/Cress combonations, but Tyraniboah and Mix-Ape came around.

Gyaravire has seem to get worst, I lead with Azelf,they lead with Gyarados. The switch to Eletrivire while I U-turn and they get pissed.

Obi and Marriland clones were just ridiculous.


P.S. Whats the Al Gore Ambipom set?
 
lol when i started shoddy back in the day. i met this really hard poke to counter. the SD Life orbed Lucario. and i used to ask my friends "how you counter SD lucario?" and the funny thing was, they replied "i never faced one before :O are they even that good?". because back in the day everyone was with the special side but once the SD psychical side came into play which almost no one knew how good it would be they became to like it and make counter for it.

and one more thing.. so many people used to talk about how godly cresselia would be or DD ttar with stone edge. well they dont even exist in an extent. its very rare. and no one really use cresselia anymore with all the sandstorm around.
 
rhyperior goes back to underrated like last-gen's rhydon
being 2ko'd should NOT stop you from usin' him
If used right he's a damn reliable pokemon.
I wouldn't know though, his defenses are still at the top of
rock/ground cursed group, solid rock still reduces his weaknesses
to 1/3 effective of their full power. his attack is third of OU(behind slaking and rampardos, 6/7 (to lazy to check) of everyone in the game,groudon, deoxys,and rayquaza included. He's not perfect so what, neither is and other pokemon you'd use. I can say physically he's pain in the ass to take
down.On the special sides it takes more more maintainance to function yea. nothing swicthes safely, that much remains true. I personally predicted that outside of uber you'd rarely get OHKO'd with him.I was right. You just need to play to his strenghts. Finally, sandstorm stops
OHKOs from his everyday life on the special side but it doesn't make him
invincible. He's balanced because you can still prey on his low speed.

I DID also expect roserade to hit BL at least, and I was right. In actual performance it surprised me though.It's hard to wall due to leech seed
and high sp. atk .weather ball has proven devasting against expectant counters of this beauty. It literally stop her counters from being such.
Fire/sun,water/rain,rock/sandstorm, and hail/ice hit everyone who'd normally counter rosie. even mr. Chomp.

Garchomp while difficult yes isn't impossible within the normal limits.
just some sets are harder than others. I ain't gettin' into this one.

I'll personally inspect some others later
 
Maroon3d said:
Skarm/Bliss/Cress combonations, but Tyraniboah and Mix-Ape came around.
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Sorry, but you came in January 2008. Neither you nor I were around for early DP. Tyraniboah was created in the RSE generation.

Hindsight is 20:20, but early DP looked overhyped. Gyarados is quite stoppable...
 
I remember Celebi being considered really useless thanks to Pursuit. Even the Shoddy statistics show it. He was really low in October (way outside of OU) and now he's almost 20th!

Also Rhyperior was insanely popular, as was Staraptor. Rhydon was one of the best Pokemon in RBY and GSC, and was OU for the first half of Advance, then suddenly he gets an evolution with a seemingly good ability, and then we find out he gets an extra 50% special defense! I guess everyone's reactions should be expected after all that in such a short amount of time.

It's hard to believe a few years ago we were talking about things like Dusclops, Magneton and Claydol all the time...
 
Yeah, I remember the early D/P metagame as being very fast paced/offensive and everybody saying that you could just put 6 sweepers together and make a decent team. Tyranitar was obviously massively overhyped, due to getting crunch and there was a lot of hype about garchomp as well (for a good reason, it should be uber). There was also a lot more porygon z's if I remember correctly.
 
Oh, I also remember everyone overhyping the frack out of physical pursuit. But then people realized something obvious: just don't switch. Ttar Pursuit doesn't even 3HKO celebi if you stay in.
 
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