RMT: You reached the Shoddy top 100....with this?

Dormin

Dormin

Well, I decided to take the team off for awhile, as I am going for the top of the top on the shoddy ladders at the moment, and I am paranoid about people looking up my team. I appreciate all the attention this RMT received, and the 1,200 people who viewed it O_o.

To all the fans, don't despair! lol Once I get high enough on the ladder, I will make a new RMT, and devote a lot of time to it so I can get 5 stars =D

I still would like this to not be deleted, as the advice given here was great, and I like to be able to reference it.
 
Wow, its great to see a Charizard do something besides Belly Drum and be effective. If you have Blissey problems, all I can suggest without switching any pokemon out is Explosion on Forretress. As for Celebi/Vaporeon, you could swap your Specs on Sceptile for a Scarf, LO, or Expert Belt. and make a mixed attacker. Leaf Blade and Pursuit hurt the combo badly, and you could keep Leaf Storm and Dragon Pulse (or HP: Ice.) Just a suggestion. Also, I know Crunch is for ghosts and psychics but if you had EQ on Snorlax's good sp. defenses, Magnezone and Heatran would be less threatening.
 
Your avatar pic sums up this team's theology ThreePieceSuit =D

Hmmmm, those are some very cool ideas--I especially like the mixed attacker set of Sceptile, or just a life orb. I have contemplated Earthquake on Snorlax for a looong time--too often do I find him against Heatran, Maggy, and T-tar. It might hurt, but EQ is probably needed. Explosion could replace EQ on Forry I guess--I just find it nice to KO on the switch with EQ. I'll test out all those suggestions. Thanks for the Charizard compliment!

Oh, and I am willing to switch out pokes, just not Charizard :)

More ideas anyone?
 
I can attest to the power of this 'Zard set, one problem is if the Tyranitar leads take a highly defensive EV spread, otherwise, this team looks fantastic, 3 weak to fire I can see, but Thick fast snorlax and Chomp/'Dos cover that ok.

Mixed walls are very effective, and perhaps the Life Orb Sceptile Mix could work well.
 
Yeah I'm normally wary on T-tar starters, and switch out to Forretress until I have ascertained the set. I'm pretty sure Zard's Focus Blast OHKOs standard CBtar, and it will at least make Boah unable to set up a sub (not 100% sure on this--need to find a good damage calculator).

Anyway, a mixed wall would be great, as 2 walls that only wall physical or special can be debilitating at times. Thoughts on replacements/who to replace?

I'm leaning towards a mixed Sceptile set, but am having trouble coming up with it at the moment.

Yah, more Charizard compliments!! Many around here should know it by now--it has served me very well. Good to know that the team looks solid.

Note: Only 2 pokes weak to fire. I count a total 6x weak to fire with Forry and Sceptile, and four resistances with Gyara, Lax thick fat, Charizard, and Garchomp, so I'm not worried about that at all.
 
Wouldn't um...another Gyarados create havoc upon this team? I'd personally slap a Celebi over Sceptile, as it can stop pretty much any water as well (Leech Seed+Grass Knot), help against other Celebis (U-Turn), which also in turn stops that "Celebi+Vaporeon" thing. Not only that, it's a solid Gyarados counter, and can help the whole team out in many other ways, whether if it's Paralyzing something, setting up Reflects, or just general helping out with Leech Seed.
 
Generally, I switch my own Gyarados into other Gyarados, and if he dies Sceptile still usually outspeeds after 1 DD and Leaf Storms. I really haven't had too many problems with Gyarados. I have tried Celebi before, but I am somewhat reluctant--though I was using a Specs Celebi before lol. Hmmmm, I'll mull it over/try it out. Thanks MoP :D

Anyway, besides this, are there other big problems? I have lost pretty handily at times to great players, so there has to be other things I am failing to pinpoint. Please feel free to suggest other replacements like MoP did.
 
I know you already said you're not replacing it, but aside from Focus Blast, why use Charizard > Moltres? Even without Focus Blast, U-Turn has much more uses IMO, and ironically will get out out of the situation that [kd8]otome just pointed out.

I'm not asking you to change it, I just want reasons why you are using Zard > Moltres.
 
For me Charizard is right up there with Arcanine, Kabutops, Kindgra, Nidoking, etc. He's one of my favorite underappreciated pokemon. Congrads on using him.
 
I don't really have a valid argument for you Pulse. I'll try though =D

1. Favorite Poke--there is winning, and then there is winning with your favorite poke(s). I've used Charizard my whole pokemon career, and he has only let me down against Wobbuffet, who is just......gah. At least I can Overheat and hope Mirror Coat gets me into Blaze range.

2. Ability--Yeah yeah this is probably a moot point, but if I fail to spin rocks away, I can switch in Charizard at 1 HP to unleash some carnage with Blazed Overheat. This has happened on a few occasions to grand effect.

3. Moves--As you pointed out, the only advantage Charizard has over Moltres move-wise is Focus Blast , but there is also Dragon Pulse. This moveset also clearly shows what Charizard can do over Moltres--kill dragons, t-tar, and heatran (among others)--pokes that Moltres can only sputter at and dream that it could counter. Versatility in this regard is Charizard's strong point.

4. Uncertainty factor--Most Charizards are Bellyzards, and this can work in my favor. If I am forced to switch him out on a lead, I can bring him in later under the guise of "threatening to belly drum," which normally results in OHKOs when a strong special attack comes out. Moltres can only special attack--usually/always with specs. He is VERY predictable.

It is also nice to not be helpless against Tyranitar and Heatran.

Note: Many have mentioned the addition of a mixed wall. Which one? Where? Cresslia is probably what everyone is insinuating, but who should be raplaced? Snorlax? I will probably follow MoP's Celebi over Sceptile advice. Thoughts?
 
1. Touché.
2. Meh. Not really viable IMO.
3. HP Electric will never OHKO Gyarados without a Life Orb. And with U-Turn, you're basically allowing your team to kill of Gyarados and Heatran, so I wouldn't say a 70% accurate move is that much of an advantage.
4. Even if he is predictable, any time it U-Turns you will almost always have an advantage. That alone would have me using it > Charizard.

5. Lol, I can tell you really want to use it, and since it does have its advantages I'm sure you'll do fine with it instead of Moltres. You should, however, definitely give tres a try, even if it isn't in your main team. Just to see how it would do in Charizard's spot.

If you really need a mixed wall, you could try Cresselia with Light Screen support. Also, maybe test out Shaymin > Sceptile, just for the coolness factor. Well no, not just coolness. Bologo clearly pointed out that it is a very potent threat. I'd give it a shot.
 
Yeah, a lot of the argument is lame. Overall though, I find Focus Blast enough of a reason to use it over Moltres, as well as Zard being less predictable and my favorite poke. U-turn is tempting, and the practical side of me kind of wants to switch to him, but the fanboy/loyal side is screaming "Charizard iz teh bestest!!"

I fail to see what Shaymin can do over Sceptile. Yeah, Seed Flare is the shiz, but with only 8 PP I hardly find it worth dropping the speed of Sceptile for. Seed Flare does allow it to 2HKO Blissey with the SpDef drop though, which is sexy, and I can switch in to get a natural cure rest every now and then.

I think the only thing that could replace Sceptile's spot though is Celebi. I have been considering the mix Sceptile or even a Subseeder Sceptile(with X-scissor+HP/Special something for opposing Celebi).

Will probably update this soon with a few changes for ya'll to rate. Suggestions? More Charizard debate?
 
This is a great team dormin. Keep the originality. For the record, "Use Moltres / Shaymin over Charizard and Sceptile because they are stronger isn't good criticism. If Charizard is doing his job, why change him? Charizard actually outshines moltres IMO, with higher speed, blaze, and better movepool.
 
RaikouLover, thanks for the support, I agree wholeheartedly =D

The sets can be changed if need be, do you think Charizard's Scarf moveset or Sceptile's overall role should change? Or Sceptile should be replaced with Celebi?
 
RaikouLover said:
This is a great team dormin. Keep the originality. For the record, "Use Moltres / Shaymin over Charizard and Sceptile because they are stronger isn't good criticism. If Charizard is doing his job, why change him? Charizard actually outshines moltres IMO, with higher speed, blaze, and better movepool.
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Umm, if you read my post, I clearly state that Charizard has advantages and if it is working to keep it. I never got on his ass for not changing it. Shaymin was merely something I felt he should test out; it'll do a better job than Sceptile at switching into things (thanks to Natural Cure and Rest) and also take on Bulky grounds better, paving a way for Garchomp to sweep in the late game. I don't understand why you're attacking me for giving advice, even though in the advice I state:

"I can tell you really want to use it, and since it does have its advantages I'm sure you'll do fine with it instead of Moltres."

It seems like you're implying that I dislike the fact that he is using his favorites; on the contrary, I am really impressed that he was able to form a team with his favorites and get to the top 100 on Shoddy. And I fail to see where you heard me say "Use Shaymin over Sceptile because it is stronger." Please don't put words into my mouth.

Since I haven't plainly said this yet:
Nice team man.
 
Thanks Pulse--I hold your suggestions in high regard, and I know your trying to help. I will definitely test Shaymin--he is like a Celebi-ish Sceptile lol.

I am flattered that you like the team--I expected this to be absolutely destroyed with criticism =D

I am going to put EQ on Snorlax over Crunch, and I will try a Shaymin that can deal with Vaporean+Celebi. He already deals with Blissey.
 
Interesting Charizard set. I actually think you're right about his ability being a great selling point. With odd HP and opposing SR, it should be easy to activate Blaze which is definately a destructive ability. I just wonder if Overheat will limit any sweep that may follow. Charizard's SpA is alright, but he's no Heatran so I understand why you went for the brute power that Overheat affords but I always like my Scarfers to be able to go on a late game sweep. With Overheat you can't do this, but a Blaze Fire Blast from 411 speed seems godly in the late game.

tl;dr...perhaps try Fire Blast > Overheat?

And do something about that huge Gyara weak...your only Gyarados counter is your own Gyarados which is never really safe. If you don't want to change anyone you could try Explosion > Earthquake on Forry as a last resort, I guess. Shaymin and Celebi can counter him well if you decide to lose Sceptile.
 
Lee, I am honored by your presence in my RMT thread! You are kind of my role model with that Marowak team that got you to the top 15 =D

Anyway--Fire Blast!! Why didn't I think of that before!! The difference in power is pretty negligible, and it allows for a sweep. Thanks, I'm changing that right now.

I guess I really am Gyara weak, as you and MoP have both mentioned it. I think Celebi will replace Sceptile, but with what set? What do you suggest? Maybe the usual Grass Knot, U-turn, Recover, Thunder Wave?

Note: Some changes made in the first post--waiting for opinions on Celebi set
 
What do you suggest? Maybe the usual Grass Knot, U-turn, Recover, Thunder Wave?
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Not too sure about Thunder Wave...your team doesn't benefit too much from paralysis support (and this team sure as hell doesn't wanna give 'Vire a boost) so Leech Seed might be nice instead. Another option would be to go Grass Knot/Calm Mind/Recover/Baton Pass as Charizard seems like he could cause some damage with the boosts and I'm sure you'd love nothing more than a Charizard sweep. The rest of your squad could take advantage of the Special Defence boost also granted by CM...Garchomp could take more Ice Beams, Gyara could survive Thunderbolts, Snorlax would go to Blissey levels of SpD and Forry would take 200% from Fire Blast rather than the 300% he currently takes...actually, scrap that last one. And there's always the chance that Celebi could sweep himself with boosted Grass Knots so it might be worth a look.

Note that in using the BodySlam/EQ combo on Snorlax and drafting in Celebi > Sceptile you may have some problems with Gengar now. Charizard's Fire Blast is still likely to OHKO, but he is by no means a good counter.
 
Hmmmm, veddy nice thoughts there. Speaking of Gengar, I do find that I have huge problems with him now lol. Charizard's Fire Blast did 99% to him just recently x_x. Gah, Magnezone and Heatran really annoy me though--especially sub maggy. I like the Calm Mind passing idea--Charizard sweep without Belly Drum in D/P? *drools*

Time to make some changes. Thanks again Lee
 
Speaking of Gengar, I do find that I have huge problems with him now lol. Charizard's Fire Blast did 99% to him just recently x_x.
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Charizard's Fire Blast is dealing 92.75% - 109.16% to a 4/0 Gengar, so it's pretty much a coinflip whether he lives or dies. Obviously SR seals it.
 
Awesome, that works then. I'll make the changes in the morning--I got to sleep lol. That Calm Mind Celebi is awesome looking, but on second thought I fear still moments with this team. I don't have a phazer, and often I have to deal with threats immediately. I might put reflect on the Celebi set I had over T-wave, or use Leech Seed. Though I'm weighing the pros and cons of both sets.
 
Thanks DFA! I find Starmie to be rather lol against this team--Snorlax completely walls it and Sceptile comes in for the OHKO all the time. I usually don't get down to where both are gone and Starmie is still alive.

I'll post Celebi as an option next to Sceptile now, and I think I will change HP (Fire) to HP (Bug) on Sceptile for opposing Grassers and the ability to OHKO Celebi.

EDIT: Need some opinions on the question brought up in the Celebi set I have posted in the beginning post. So far, he has worked brilliantly :D
 
Nice. Charizard is extremely underrated so props for using it. Maybe something to take down Flash Fire pokes, Dugtrio perhaps? He shits on any Heatran/Magnezone not running Shed Shell, plus beats up Blissey badly too.
 
Hmmm, Dugtrio would be great, but I find him competing for a hard spot. Where would I put him? And he can't reliably switch into Heatran or Maggy--never know when a Lava Plume burn or a Specs Fire Blast are going to hit him hard, or Maggy subs up and kills with HP Ice.

I have replaced Sceptile with Celebi at the moment, but I sorely miss the speed and power a lot of times. Any ideas for a more effective Celebi set than I already have? Maybe throw some EVs into SpecAtk, and run HP Ground?

Blissey is still a bitch--I have been contemplating Machamp or a fast, hard-hitting poke that can KO Blissey over maybe Garchomp. It kind of sucks when BoltBeam destroys both of your set-up sweepers.

BTW I am glad for the large amount of praise for Charizard. He is underrated, and more so underestimated.

WOOT 1000 views. Guess this team is pretty popular O_o

 
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