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Concerns were raised about Rotom entering and exiting appliances. While this usually isn't a problem for players who use only a single forme of Rotom (ahem Dogfish), when the opportunity does arise to change appliances mid-battle or mid-RP, what happens then? This is what we're here to discuss about. Cue the NDA descriptions:

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Birkal is the first to raise the question, keeping it open-ended while giving a few precedent cases to work with. Dogfish further solidified a starting point by listing the following questions.
  • Should all Rotom have standard and appliance data within them?
  • How many appliances can we bring to 1 battle?
  • Should you only be able to bring standard Rotom to a battle?
  • How does Rotom interact with arenas?
  • How can you change forme outside of battle? Can you?
When providing your take on the issues, please do flesh them out and give them life and detail. Consider in-game precedent, in-anime logic, future RP uses, ease of profile formatting and approval, referee workload - whatever comes to mind. The current trend in Policy Center is "everybody takes one and only one potshot", so at the very least, try to hit the mark or strike a chord with yours.

Remember, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be admissible and used against you. You may or may not need to answer all the questions. If you have no answers, then the Council will provide you with one. Progress of the discussion will be tracked and recorded in this OP.

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Geodude6 said:
I would say that Rotom should have data for its standard forme and appliances in the Pokemon's profile; if a certain appliance's data is not in the profile then that appliance shouldn't be able to be used in that battle, and Rotom should be brought in the forme that you intend to use it. Arenas I wouldn't think would be a bigger deal than anything else in ASB; normal rules unless the arena specifies otherwise. Changing forme outside of battle, at least in the case of Rotom, I see as something akin to nickname changes or reformatting; that is, you should be able to do it without making a prize claim.
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Data Audit Thread said:
Only one Rotom appliance may be taken into a battle per trainer. This item is separate from a held item, and may be used even in No Items Battles.
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The old DAT had a rule about it that, for some reason, wasn't pasted neither on the handbook nor on the NDA.

That rule is reasonable, so I suggest we paste it on the Handbook. As it was already supposed to be there.

Also, here, rules involving the usage of rotom were approved. You PM rotom without a forme and send out with a forme, being able to only use one forme per match.

Council Ruling said:
Rotom:

  • When Rotom is purchased, you purchase it as the standard non-appliance forme.
  • Whenever you're battling with a Rotom, you send in the non-appliance Rotom information [RPs may wish to force a certain type at their own will].
  • When you release Rotom for the first time in a match, you declare the forme it will be using, assumming you have the corresponding item.
  • At the end of any battle involving Rotom, you maintain the appliance Rotom was sent out in, if any. Any appliance Rotom enters that isn't the one Rotom was sent out in will not be claimed.
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The tourney demanded the forme to be specifies because that is possible (it falls on the same exception as RPs).


TBH, we don't need a discussion + voting on that matter. It is a problem with stuff not surviving the transition from DAT to NDA for whatever reasons and it is simply a matter of pasting those rules on the Handbook, as they were already approved by Deck/Council and they are somewhat effective already.

Sure, if you want to change, be my guest, but you will change, as in, it is already the way above and you will change it.

Personally I see no need to allow forme-change in-battle like that. Rotom is a very good mon with great stats (2/5/5/5/86 with everstone is very good) and a nice ghost movepool, extremely versatile with the ability to choose the forme upon send out. And that change (again: not a ruling, a change) will do nothing to...well nothing. Won't make a difference. So I really don't know why bother.
 
  • Should all Rotom have standard and appliance data within them?
    Yes. It wouldn't be difficult, plus it actually opens up my proposal further down.​
  • How many appliances can we bring to 1 battle?
    I believe that a player should only be able to use one appliance per battle.​
  • Should you only be able to bring standard Rotom to a battle?
    Yes. This resolves most outstanding confusion with Rotom.​
  • How does Rotom interact with arenas?
    I feel that in an arena where there is access to the valid Rotom Forme Item, but the player does not yet own it, the player should be allowed to have Rotom enter the item with the apppropriate command, but not start in that form. Likewise, I feel arenas should allow Rotom to switch forme to any forme if they so desire.​
  • How can you change forme outside of battle? Can you?
    Only allowing the sending in of standard rotom makes this a moot point.​

  • When a Rotom is claimed, stats for all appliance formes and standard Rotom are placed in the profile.
  • When a Rotom is sent out, an appliance is declared in addition to Rotom's normal item. The player also states if Rotom will be in the appliance on send-out or not.
  • In Battle, Rotom can use it's Enter Appliance and Exit Appliance commands to switch in and out of the appliance. Rotom can also enter an arena-supplied appliance, although this appliance is not kept at the end of a battle.
 
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What about the potential of counter-teaming with Rotom? My main concern is something Texas said that Rotom would be the same as 6 different pokemon, all with different strengths and weaknesses, all of which share no weaknesses between them so anything weak to Water/Fire/Grass/Flying/ice/Ghost would be an easy target for rotom. Can you only bring one appliance to a battle? and if so, when do you estate which item will Rotom posses?
 
Well, if you're only bringing one appliance to a battle, it would be my guess that you would state which item Rotom will possess when you send your team to the referee. The other option I see is to state your Rotom form when you send the Rotom out, but that would mean the counter-teaming Gerard mentioned. Sending the appliance to the referee also follows the in-game precedence of having the Rotom form set in your party, before the battle (I think - I haven't used Rotom much).
 
Perhaps having Rotom enter or exit an appliance could initiate a switch phaze? That way, you can't counter-team a good team, while still being able to switch formes.
 
I agree with what Mulan said above. Rotom changing forms is basically the same as switching between two different Pokémon.

Edit: Actually, I change my mind. Let's make Rotom unique!
 
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To those who advocated Rotom switching formes as trainer switching Pokemons - I'm not sure why it is better than clarifying the current mechanic. Honestly, I'm all for allowing forme changes midbattle since it does not break the balance of a match. As it stands, there are NDA Commands (which is on the OP) specifcally for Rotom to change between appliances mid-battle. If I read Frosty right, currently:
  • You can bring Rotom with one appliance to battle, aside from equipping it with a Battle Item. (so you can get an Everstone on it)
  • Sending out, the Rotom must be declared to be inside or outside said appliance.
  • If, in a TLR or any other RP, you finished a battle with a Rotom-Appliance, then you'll start the next with said Rotom-Appliance.
The only gripe I might have with the older rulings are that it makes things slightly - maybe - harder for the referees to track. Which is why I like Dogfish's solution, for two reasons:
  • Mandating profile data on all formes, even if the player swears never to use them, helps referees in the case forme change actually happens.
  • Rotom exist in Normal Forme inside Pokeballs, similar to Mega Evolution, further helps referees to keep track of less stuff in things like TLR RPs.
This might cause to approver to have to work slightly more checking the profiles of Rotoms in PCT, though.....

The potential of being unable to counter-team a Rotom is overrated IMHO. Sure, Rotom has 6 available formes to mess people with, but spending 8 EN and one action just to enter/exit an appliance seems hardly overpowered. At best, a Rotom-W might buy one whole free round on a slower mon using Fighting/Normal STAB? On another note, I would've liked if we can bring more than one appliance to battle, but if we can't well there's always something that can be done with custom arenas.
 
Alright, since we've been gone for more than 2 days without a stand-up post, let's give it a final 48-hour window I suppose? Please quote-tag or hide-tag your respective proposals (edit them into your earlier posts where applicable), and preferably add some comparisons between yours and those already put up. Slate will come when the window closes.
 
Rotom should only be able to be brought with one appliance to a battle which appliance it is can be decided during send-out, or Rotom can be sent out without an appliance and its appliance declared later on in the battle. Rotom would be able to exit its current appliance, enter the appliance it came with (or the appliance just given by the player if it wasn't given an appliance before), or enter any arena-supplied appliance. Doing so would initiate a switch-phase, and allow the other player to switch to another pokemon.
 
Ah sorry about being late. Well, anyway:

What should be done with Rotom's Forme Changes?
Reinforce Frosty's clarification
Implement Dogfish's Proposal
Implement Mulan's Proposal

Details will be there in the Voting thread. Mods may close this one at discretion.
 
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