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Salamence
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And any neutral or +Sp. Atk natures mence with 252 EVs is a guaranteed OHKO without.
Neither, they reduce SpA. ._.
Unless using it as a shell break recipient, use Naive to at least OHKO physically defensive Skarmory with no evs. Naughty works too I guess, since most scarfers would outspeed Mence at +1 anyway.
There's only two problems I still have making a good Salamence.
I've established that yes Dragon Dance, Outrage and Fire Blast are needed but what should the fourth move be? Brick Break, Stone Edge or something else? (given that Balloons will be involved Earthquake's not as useful anymore.)
The other thing is, for anyone who's done random battles on BW, you know you can't take pokemon in holding the same items, so their lies the only other problem since I like to give both Salamence and Lucario(the SD kind) life orbs.
Which of the two would be more suited for the orb?
I've established that yes Dragon Dance, Outrage and Fire Blast are needed but what should the fourth move be? Brick Break, Stone Edge or something else? (given that Balloons will be involved Earthquake's not as useful anymore.)
The other thing is, for anyone who's done random battles on BW, you know you can't take pokemon in holding the same items, so their lies the only other problem since I like to give both Salamence and Lucario(the SD kind) life orbs.
Which of the two would be more suited for the orb?
I don't see why Balloons are deterring you from EQ, but Dragon/Fire is still perfect coverage outside of Heatran, which is pretty common and can't usually OHKO, so you should really just use that last move to deal with whatever you find trouble with the most
Assuming it doesn't outspeed you. Unless they banned Sand Throw recently or something. Granted Intimidate can help, but still.
Salamence IMO just isn't as appealing as he used to be. He's got a lot of competition now, even if he does have a lot of power. A SR weakness doesn't help much, even if it doesn't stop him from dropping in to DD or fire off Meteors.
So what would you guys say is the absolute best Mence set for this meta?
You have to ask yourself DD or no DD. I think the answer is DD. If you're not wanting to dance you're probably better off using Garchomp. I understand that Mence has some good special attacker set options but I've tried the dracometeor/fireblast etc set and found it under-whelming.
After you've decided if you want DD you have to decide on the nature. Jolly, adamant or a nature to maximize both of his attack stats.
I ask this because I'm having trouble figuring out the exact set for me. I keep getting inconsistent results.
You have to ask yourself DD or no DD. I think the answer is DD. If you're not wanting to dance you're probably better off using Garchomp. I understand that Mence has some good special attacker set options but I've tried the dracometeor/fireblast etc set and found it under-whelming.
After you've decided if you want DD you have to decide on the nature. Jolly, adamant or a nature to maximize both of his attack stats.
I ask this because I'm having trouble figuring out the exact set for me. I keep getting inconsistent results.
I don't think Adamant is really a good option, due to the speed tier.
Jolly either really, because it weakens Fire Blast, and without Fire Blast your coverage gets much worse (and let's face it - Fire Fang blows).
Go Naive.
I agree though Mixmence has been underwhelming. DD Mix or standard DD seem to be the best.
Jolly either really, because it weakens Fire Blast, and without Fire Blast your coverage gets much worse (and let's face it - Fire Fang blows).
Go Naive.
I agree though Mixmence has been underwhelming. DD Mix or standard DD seem to be the best.
Scarf Mence is inferior to scarf chomp/scarf latios(even sazandora). it is slower than key scarfers like rand/chomp/latios, it is weaker than all of them, and is weak to sr. Considering it needs to go mixed its a bit too weak to be able to relaibly revenge stuff. Wasn't viable last gen, isn't viable this gen imo
It also hurts that choice users tend to hit and run a lot, and Mence is weak to SR.
That said Specs is probably his best choice set simply because it is the least expected. Band is 100% outclassed by Chomp, Specs isn't outclassed by Latis completely because he gets Fire Blast, while they have to rely on HP fire. That said Latis are still overall better Specs users (Trick, Tbolt, no SR weakness, and higher SpA for Latios).
That said Specs is probably his best choice set simply because it is the least expected. Band is 100% outclassed by Chomp, Specs isn't outclassed by Latis completely because he gets Fire Blast, while they have to rely on HP fire. That said Latis are still overall better Specs users (Trick, Tbolt, no SR weakness, and higher SpA for Latios).
Salamence has absolutely no reason to use hydro pump over fire blast(or even alongside it), while surf is one of the essential moves for the latis.
I don't remember saying he should use it over Fire Blast, or anything for that matter.
I was just pointing out the fact that having Hydro Pump doesn't give him any sort of edge over his fellow dragons, thats all. I probably should have expressed myself better, though.
It does take away an advantage other Dragons have over him though, and Hydro Pump is pretty powerful and useful for a Specs set, especially since it hits those ever present Sand teams for SE damage where none of his other options do on the special side of the spectrum.
