SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

[Flamestorm7]

do we really have no idea what can learn chilling reception? that's pretty sad if so, means the only thing that can enable snow and veil for cetitan is abomasnow of all things. huge letdown for such a strong abuser.

As of now it's assumed to be Slowking and G-Slowking

 

[Vengeance417]

Magearna has Spikes.

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[Soulja]

I just now noticed that Klawf does in fact NOT get Shell Smash. guess they didn't let 'em have it bc of its ability. welp.

 

[Lectrys]

Here are some additional moves that I don't know the usage of: https://pastebin.com/VkW9XNZ2
This was a very shitty parse, so it's in the format:

<Personal Table Index> (<Monster No.>):
    <Move No.>

These may be the move tutors. If anyone figures it out, do message me on here so I can update my paste for them later.

So that's where Chilly Reception went!
Learners:

• Slowking
• Slowking-Galar

...OK...didn't know they were such jokers.

Apologies for repeating stuff others have said - this post took a long time to make.

Meowscarada gets Spikes and Toxic Spikes. THE RETURN OF GRENINJA

Quaquaval has access to Rapid Spin and Roost, two things Gyarados doesn't get!

Speaking of Rapid Spin, Cyclizar seems like a pretty nifty support Spinner, with Knock Off, Shed Tail, U-turn, and Shift Gear as things to do on off days.

Mabosstiff gets actual coverage moves like Play Rough, Double-Edge, and Wild Charge. I guess this guy might break Stakeout in OU or UU for once?

Gholdengo gets all it needs to be a Nasty Plot tank sweeper - Shadow Ball, Make It Rain (and Flash Cannon just in case), Focus Blast, Thunderbolt, Recover, Nasty Plot (of course), Substitute, Dazzling Gleam, Psyshock, Thunder Wave...and Trick for the nutter running a Choice Scarf set in a Dragapult meta. IMO, this guy is UU at worst and might actually stay in OU with those vaguely Heatran stats and recovery Heatran would kill to have.

The Paradox mons seem quite serviceable, but man does Iron Valiant look like a scary mixed sweeper. Close Combat, Knock Off, Spirit Break, Moonblast, Focus Blast, Aura Sphere, Thunderbolt, Trick, Taunt, Encore, Swords Dance, Psyshock, Agility...

 

[Worldie]

So hyped for Skeledirge rn. I was scared it wouldn't get any recovery.

YEP CROC.

Though to be fair, I still am not sure Skeledirge will make a impact in the top tiers. Yes it has recovery, and yes Knock Off and Scald are gone mostly (for now), but it's still weak to common OU staples including Garchomp and Lando-T, will be food for Greninja/Meowsharade, and recovery also got nerfed on top of it.
It's also a typing that's unlikely to be seen in VGC doubles for same reason, weak to two of the most common moves in doubles (Rock Slide and EQ).

One could argue that you can fix its typing with Terastal, and while true, that means committing your terastal to it over an offensive threat.

I don't really see it making a splash in the higher tiers, outside maybe as role compression in some cases.

Lower tiers however, that may be a menace.

 

[readyletsgo]

Hello, is there any way to tell if Rotom-Fan special move has changed? random I know but the dumps don't show rotom's moves that change per its form. Wondering if they thought to give it hurricane instead of air slash finally.

 

[Konan92]

View attachment 464490
Info on Kingambit's signature move.

Did they feel bad about removing feint attack? Second gen in a row they reintroduce it, but better

 

[Crimson Chris]

YEP CROC.

Though to be fair, I still am not sure Skeledirge will make a impact in the top tiers. Yes it has recovery, and yes Knock Off and Scald are gone mostly (for now), but it's still weak to common OU staples including Garchomp and Lando-T, will be food for Greninja/Meowsharade, and recovery also got nerfed on top of it.
It's also a typing that's unlikely to be seen in VGC doubles for same reason, weak to two of the most common moves in doubles (Rock Slide and EQ).

One could argue that you can fix its typing with Terastal, and while true, that means committing your terastal to it over an offensive threat.

I don't really see it making a splash in the higher tiers, outside maybe as role compression in some cases.

Lower tiers however, that may be a menace.

It's fine. I just wanted him to be able to heal himself lmao

 

[slp32]

Hello, is there any way to tell if Rotom-Fan special move has changed? random I know but the dumps don't show rotom's moves that change per its form.

I believe that was handled in the haxe lua scripts for LA, and so would be separate from the personal table data. It would probably be easier to cheat everything in and check in-game.

 

[Mario With Lasers]

So what's the point of Egg Groups nowadays, if everything can pass on Egg moves?

 

[Magcargo]

I believe that was handled in the haxe lua scripts for LA, and so would be separate from the personal table data. It would probably be easier to cheat everything in and check in-game.

Quick question, did your pastebin for part 1 get reported? I get this message now:

 

[Worldie]

So what's the point of Egg Groups nowadays, if everything can pass on Egg moves?

We don't quite know how this works *yet*.

At least, I don't think anyone's tried and the person I know who has the ROM is busy doing other stuff so I can't check with him :P

 

[Fragmented]

Here are some additional moves that I don't know the usage of: https://pastebin.com/VkW9XNZ2
This was a very shitty parse, so it's in the format:

<Personal Table Index> (<Monster No.>):
    <Move No.>

These may be the move tutors. If anyone figures it out, do message me on here so I can update my paste for them later.

Just going by whatever I figured out/manage to understand

Slowking: Future Sight, Chilly Reception
Slowking-Galar: Toxic, Future Sight, Chilly Reception
Zangoose: Double Kick, Disable, Counter, Fury Swipes, Curse, Flail, Belly Drum, Feint, Night Slash, Double Hit, Quick Guard, Final Gambit
(possible missing list of egg moves for Zangoose)

Meowscarada: Double Team, Trick
Skeledirge: Sing
Quaquaval: Counter
Rabsca: Safeguard, Psych Up
Brute Bonnet: Sunny Day
Sandy Shocks: Sunny Day
Screaming Tail: Sunny Day
Flutter Mane: Sunny Day
Slither Wing: Sunny Day
Roaring Moon: Sunny Day, Jaw Lock, Breaking Swipe, Scale Shot
Iron Moth: Electric Terrain
Iron Hands: Electric Terrain
Iron Thorns: Electric Terrain
Iron Bundle: Electric Terrain
Iron Valiant: Electric Terrain
Ceruledge: Night Slash, Shadow Sneak, Quick Guard, Solar Blade

So apparently Ceruledge gets Shadow Sneak now to make up for bad speed

edit: don't think these moves are scrapped from learnsets, might just be errors from the file or wtv

 

[Sirya]

https://pastebin.com/wKuA8ZRj ? they're at the bottom

i had part 1 but missed part 2 xd

 

[Fracterra]

Yeah that list of moves is pretty weird. Like why use Ice Hammer on a Slush Rush Pokemon

Well, in that case, Calm Mind or Nasty Plot to make him an unaware sweeper

 

[R_N]

Here are some additional moves that I don't know the usage of: https://pastebin.com/VkW9XNZ2
This was a very shitty parse, so it's in the format:

<Personal Table Index> (<Monster No.>):
    <Move No.>

These may be the move tutors. If anyone figures it out, do message me on here so I can update my paste for them later.

zangoose my bro
449 (Zangoose):
Double Kick
Disable
Counter
Fury Swipes
Curse
Flail
Belly Drum
Feint
Night Slash
Double Hit
Quick Guard
Final Gambit

you doing okay? got a whole extra moveset here

 

[Flamestorm7]

Well, in that case, Calm Mind or Nasty Plot to make him an unaware sweeper

Cetitan doesn't get either and has a high Attack Stat. He also doesn't get Unaware

 

[Worldie]

Well, in that case, Calm Mind or Nasty Plot to make him an unaware sweeper

I'll be very curious to know how you plan to get HA on the starter on release too :)

man you should just... actually play the game lol

 

[slp32]

Quick question, did your pastebin for part 1 get reported? I get this message now:
View attachment 464492

Huh - yeah, its gone in my pastes list... I wonder why that happened...?
If anyone still has it open, please copy the data and re-upload it, I'm away from my computer right now.

 

[Eclairius]

Wait wait wait. Orthworm learns Shed tail (lv52). So we do have a slow Shed tail with a physical defensive poke.
The worm about to open a whole new world of setup sweeper.

 

[Evex]

Slowing getting chilling reception makes sense. Callback to the Lugia movie

I was just wondering if that could possibly be the reason it would learn that... A reference to a 20+ year old movie makes sense for the Slowpoke line though.

 

[Sirya]

People is understimating IRON BUNDLE... That shit has demonic speed and good spa with decent def boosted by new snow in a meta that will probably be encouraged by weather based teams...

Cannot wait to see iron bundle eating souls.

 

[Bakugames]

I wouldn't be surprised if this means that pokemon are now suddently able to be gay and still reproduce.

this is the future liberals want

 

[Fragmented]

Huh - yeah, its gone in my pastes list... I wonder why that happened...?
If anyone still has it open, please copy the data and re-upload it, I'm away from my computer right now.

movepools part 1: https://pastebin.com/6cYuSv92

 

[chimp]

YEP CROC.

Though to be fair, I still am not sure Skeledirge will make a impact in the top tiers. Yes it has recovery, and yes Knock Off and Scald are gone mostly (for now), but it's still weak to common OU staples including Garchomp and Lando-T, will be food for Greninja/Meowsharade, and recovery also got nerfed on top of it.
It's also a typing that's unlikely to be seen in VGC doubles for same reason, weak to two of the most common moves in doubles (Rock Slide and EQ).

One could argue that you can fix its typing with Terastal, and while true, that means committing your terastal to it over an offensive threat.

I don't really see it making a splash in the higher tiers, outside maybe as role compression in some cases.

Lower tiers however, that may be a menace.

Where are we seeing recovery on the croc? Unless Im blind, Im not seeing it on the pastebin.