SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

R_N said:
New Unova Game (TM) is likely far enough in the pipeline that it's still set for 2024 or whatever; I'd bet that comment was more in mind for games that are only just now entering production or pre-production.
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I think Unova was at some point targeting 2024, but I think there's a decent chance it's been delayed into early 2025 already. Between the raid schedules and the fact that it's a bit weird to announce a Fall release date for a DLC revolving around a big Summer festival, there's evidence to suggest that they were targeting sometime around June initially (like SwSh's DLC schedule), but they ended up pushing it out. That most likely means Indigo Disk was also pushed back in turn, creating a domino effect. I could totally see them positioning a Switch 2 SKU with all DLC on cart as a stop-gap Black Friday title.
 
R_N said:
The multiplier effect isn't anything new; if something boosts a stat without being a Stage modifier it's usually a final multiplier on the actual stat
Ruin abilities have a negative multiplier, the Paradox abilities have a positive multiplier. Going way back to gen 3, Huge/Pure Power also work similarly; it's a x2 multiplier on the final attack stat.

e: This isn't to say Ogrepon's Embody Aspect doesn't work like this, just that what Mew did isn't really "new" and thus not necessarily how Ogrepon works.
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That’s true but there are two differences with the Mew ones, even though this is pretty semantic:

1. This is the first time the numbers themselves would change on the summary screen during the battle.

2. This is the first time they’ve done anything like that for HP… well, sort of, since Dynamax is a thing. Second?

…Yeah that’s pretty weak I suppose lol
 
Pax_Unda said:
I think Unova was at some point targeting 2024, but I think there's a decent chance it's been delayed into early 2025 already. Between the raid schedules and the fact that it's a bit weird to announce a Fall release date for a DLC revolving around a big Summer festival, there's evidence to suggest that they were targeting sometime around June initially (like SwSh's DLC schedule), but they ended up pushing it out. That most likely means Indigo Disk was also pushed back in turn, creating a domino effect. I could totally see them positioning a Switch 2 SKU with all DLC on cart as a stop-gap Black Friday title.
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Indigo Disk is presumably still on track for this year, I really don’t think pushing it back a month or two would have that much of an effect on a title a year away.
 
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Valoo said:
Indigo Disk is presumably still in track for this year, I really don’t think pushing it back a month or two would have that much of an effect and a title a year away.
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Maybe true on the latter, but for ID hitting CY2023 is doubtful for me. We have a credible leak suggesting an early 2024 launch for it, and the placeholder date for ID is the end of April - if it's 3.5 months ahead of the placeholder like TM is, that'd still put it in January. They're going to barely scrape it into the Christmas season at the earliest imo
 
Placeholders don’t typically mean anything and they’re still listing it as 2023. If it was being pushed to 2024 I feel like we’d know by now.

There’s also the fact that Reg E ends in November.
 
Valoo said:
Placeholders don’t typically mean anything and they’re still listing it as 2023. If it was being pushed to 2024 I feel like we’d know by now.

There’s also the fact that Reg E ends in November.
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Yeah, hopefully we get some more dlc part 2 news soon after dlc part 1 releases
 
December 2023 is the most sensible point of release for the Indigo Disk anyway, because "Winter 2023" implies a December release.

From a capitalism standpoint it is optimal to release games in time for Holiday/Christmas shopping and since Indigo Disk will likely come with a release of physical bundled editions of SV with the DLC pre-installed like what happened with SwSh back in 2020 after the Crown Tundra "Sword+Expansion Pass and Shield+Expansion Pass physical bundles", Indigo Disk's release will definitely have physical bundles of "Scarlet+Hidden Treasure of Area Zero and Violet+Hidden Treasure of Area Zero" to come with them to further sales of SV and give bundles to people who have yet to purchase SV at all.

Doing this before Christmas season is the most optimal time because Christmas in late December and the time around it is a big shopping season so they can very viably capitalize on that to maximize sales of DLC+SV and in turn profit.

PLA is the only game that got a particularly late release, being January 2022 despite being the fiscal year 2021 release for mainline Pokemon, and that's because PLA also had BDSP as a fallback measure which did release in November 2021, and they were trying to encourage sales of what was their most deviant and risk taking title yet by selling the safe remake first to entice new players and Sinnoh fans alike and then in turn encourage them to purchase PLA later. Because PLA was such a risk and likely did have to be delayed slightly due to COVID they used BDSP as a complementary safety measure that still covered the holiday season.

I don't think that situation will happen again with any future release, much less with the DLC at present.
 
ScraftyIsTheBest said:
December 2023 is the most sensible point of release for the Indigo Disk anyway, because "Winter 2023" implies a December release.

From a capitalism standpoint it is optimal to release games in time for Holiday/Christmas shopping and since Indigo Disk will likely come with a release of physical bundled editions of SV with the DLC pre-installed like what happened with SwSh back in 2020 after the Crown Tundra "Sword+Expansion Pass and Shield+Expansion Pass physical bundles", Indigo Disk's release will definitely have physical bundles of "Scarlet+Hidden Treasure of Area Zero and Violet+Hidden Treasure of Area Zero" to come with them to further sales of SV and give bundles to people who have yet to purchase SV at all.

Doing this before Christmas season is the most optimal time because Christmas in late December and the time around it is a big shopping season so they can very viably capitalize on that to maximize sales of DLC+SV and in turn profit.

PLA is the only game that got a particularly late release, being January 2022 despite being the fiscal year 2021 release for mainline Pokemon, and that's because PLA also had BDSP as a fallback measure which did release in November 2021, and they were trying to encourage sales of what was their most deviant and risk taking title yet by selling the safe remake first to entice new players and Sinnoh fans alike and then in turn encourage them to purchase PLA later. Because PLA was such a risk and likely did have to be delayed slightly due to COVID they used BDSP as a complementary safety measure that still covered the holiday season.

I don't think that situation will happen again with any future release, much less with the DLC at present.
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So it would seem that would be the best, smartest play, however, they might not want competition, and them releasing it in November would coincide with the release of Scarlet and Violet. It also would have some of the most competition, so I could also see a December release for SV DLC 2, so enough time can pass between the release of SMBW so its not overshadowed by that, or SMRPG, or the Metal Gear Solid Master Collection Vol 1.

Edit: From DLC 1, I’m most enthusiastic about the return of Kommo-o
 
Fracterra said:
So it would seem that would be the best, smartest play, however, they might not want competition, and them releasing it in November would coincide with the release of Scarlet and Violet. It also would have some of the most competition, so I could also see a December release for SV DLC 2, so enough time can pass between the release of SMBW so its not overshadowed by that, or SMRPG, or the Metal Gear Solid Master Collection Vol 1.
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This is splitting hairs. DLC 2 will be released in time for the holidays one way or another. The likelihood of them releasing it sooner than expected is zero.
 
Fracterra said:
So it would seem that would be the best, smartest play, however, they might not want competition, and them releasing it in November would coincide with the release of Scarlet and Violet. It also would have some of the most competition, so I could also see a December release for SV DLC 2, so enough time can pass between the release of SMBW so its not overshadowed by that, or SMRPG, or the Metal Gear Solid Master Collection Vol 1.

Edit: From DLC 1, I’m most enthusiastic about the return of Kommo-o
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Pokemon is literally the biggest Franchise on the planet as of now. It IS the competition in December that other releases have to watch.
 
Fracterra said:
And its going up against The First true new 2d Mario game in over a decade, and a remake of a beloved classic.
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As good as SMRPG is I think you're overselling how much selling power that entry has compared to something tied to Pokemon (especially in the case of a full bundle release instead of just the DLC dropping), and Super Mario Wonder will have been 1-2 months out in a completely different genre and with a completely different appeal (Single or Organized group play Hop-and-Bop platformer vs a Single-Player RPG expansion with a much more "community scale" multiplayer focus in raiding or just online conversation).

The only way in which these overlap for someone who would consider them all but pick one over the other at that point is down to Brand power (Point Pokemon) or genre preference (which if on a limited budget 1 month in the last quarter of the year isn't going to change very much of.
 
pika pal said:
As good as SMRPG is I think you're overselling how much selling power that entry has compared to something tied to Pokemon (especially in the case of a full bundle release instead of just the DLC dropping), and Super Mario Wonder will have been 1-2 months out in a completely different genre and with a completely different appeal (Single or Organized group play Hop-and-Bop platformer vs a Single-Player RPG expansion with a much more "community scale" multiplayer focus in raiding or just online conversation).

The only way in which these overlap for someone who would consider them all but pick one over the other at that point is down to Brand power (Point Pokemon) or genre preference (which if on a limited budget 1 month in the last quarter of the year isn't going to change very much of.
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That is true, and both games have a lot of hype around them. Well, we’ll see in a couple of months what happens.
 
Somehow I don't think Nintendo especially cares about a (likely $95) DLC bundle for one of its games being competition for its, let me check my notes here, another of its own games, which would not be a DLC bundle.
Even before accounting for different initial release dates, genres and audiences for them or just "people getting both of them"
 
Fracterra said:
Goddamn, good point, however, this is a Pokemon DLC, and of the 4th best selling, as of March (yeah, no sales update for half a year), Pokemon Game, it is the competition for open world games.
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It's still ultimately just DLC for an existing game, and your primary concern was Nintendo's other games. They won't care about that kind of "competition"

And they also probably won't care about it "competing" with other open world games, either. It's Pokemon and not the same type of open world as...whatever else is coming out this year on other platforms.
 
R_N said:
It's still ultimately just DLC for an existing game, and your primary concern was Nintendo's other games. They won't care about that kind of "competition"

And they also probably won't care about it "competing" with other open world games, either. It's Pokemon and not the same type of open world as...whatever else is coming out this year on other platforms.
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True. And there is no notable dlc, so it has no competition.
R_N said:
Somehow I don't think Nintendo especially cares about a (likely $95) DLC bundle for one of its games being competition for its, let me check my notes here, another of its own games, which would not be a DLC bundle.
Even before accounting for different initial release dates, genres and audiences for them or just "people getting both of them"
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Goddamn, good point, however, this is a Pokemon DLC, and of the 4th best selling, as of March (yeah, no sales update for half a year), Pokemon Game, it is the competition for open world games.
Eriorguez said:
I can see the bundle being released in November, if only to catch both Black Friday and Christmas.
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That would seem to be a logical idea, as to maximize profits.
 
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If all SwSh IoA move tutors return, we could have Flip Turn Floatzel, Grassy Glide Breloom, Poltergiest Basculegion, Triple Axel Chien-Pao, and more effing monstrosities. Also, all IoA move tutors to return, plus Toxic
 
Fracterra said:
If all SwSh IoA move tutors return, we could have Flip Turn Floatzel, Grassy Glide Breloom, Poltergiest Basculegion, Triple Axel Chien-Pao, and more effing monstrosities. Also, all IoA move tutors to return, plus Toxic
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It was random which Pokemon got Flip Turn and which didn't. Poliwrath doesn't despite the Pokedex entries describing it as a good swimmer, but maybe they'll change that? If Politoed gets Flip Turn too it'll be kinda interesting to see whether Pelipper would still be a better setter.

For Poltergeist who they didn't give it to made sense from a 'balancing' perspective. Mimikyu, Aegislash, Dragapult. None of those got it in Gen 8 and I imagine Pult and Mimikyu still won't get it this gen.
 
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