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Scrafty

Lots of people are saying that dd zuruzukin is better then bulk up. . .
Wrong! Many pokes can run better dragon dance sets salamence, gyarados, and Dragonite who is very bulky with multi scale intact and is more of a threat offensively with much higher base attack and speed. Zuruzukins dragon dance set is simply overshadowed by others. However not many pokemon can run a good bulk up set the pokes who could use it are wither not bulky enough and benefit more from swords dance think lucario, infernape, breloom, blaziken. Zuruzukin can outperform most of the others with his great bulk and dual stab access to shed skin which makes rest very usable and helps out against burn and poison. The only pokemon I see giving Zuruzukin a run for his money with a bulk up set is Roobushin.
 
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But the difference is that while Mence/Nite/Dos might require 2 or even 3 DD's to sweep, Zuru really only needs 1 due to Moxie.

Or, he can use Shed Skin and not die to burn or paralysis like all the other DD'ers. Zuru easily stands out as a DD'er if you ask me.

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As a Bulk Up sweeper, his only real competition is Roob. But I'd normally choose Roob because STAB priority and not Fighting-weak. No one will status Roob due to Guts, and Roob has Payback.

All Zuru has over Roob is STAB Crunch and special bulk. But those aren't enough to make for what Roob has IMO.
 
SlimMan said:
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But the difference is that while Mence/Nite/Dos might require 2 or even 3 DD's to sweep, Zuru really only needs 1 due to Moxie.

Or, he can use Shed Skin and not die to burn or paralysis like all the other DD'ers. Zuru easily stands out as a DD'er if you ask me.

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As a Bulk Up sweeper, his only real competition is Roob. But I'd normally choose Roob because STAB priority and not Fighting-weak. No one will status Roob due to Guts, and Roob has Payback.

All Zuru has over Roob is STAB Crunch and special bulk. But those aren't enough to make for what Roob has IMO.
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First of all, those Pokemon have much higher attack stats and higher speed, so they don't need as many boosts to pull off a sweep. Scrafty needs at least 2 just to outspeed all Pokemon without speed modifiers. It needs 3 to outspeed all Scarf Pokemon. Obviously Scrafty is different from the others, but it is also weak to Mach Punch and its strongest STAB can cost it its life (Nattorei Protect, switch to Burungeru, etc) whereas Outrage can be spammed at +1 since it will dent even steels. Gyarados isn't that great of a DDer imo, and DD in general just isn't that great these days.

Scrafty has: Rest + Shed Skin, Dark STAB, special bulk, and more resistances (the weakness to fighting hurts, though). That's pretty big. Toxic is not a bad way of bringing down Conkeldurr, and Toxic Spikes might be set up so don't shrug it off as if it never occurs. Rest + Shed Skin along with his special bulk really help. He can survive a Draco Meteor from Specs Latios (unlike Conkeldurr) and then maybe get a free Bulk Up. There are a lot of instances like this that you pick up on when playing with Scrafty that go unnoticed.
 
SlimMan said:
But Roob has Guts, priority, and I think is more physically bulky.
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If both use 252 HP EVs Roob is physically bulkier however most run only half HP investment to balance out his SDef a little and in this case his physical bulk drops down to Zurus level, but with still less SDef.
Zuruzkins Bulk up set can be near impossible to stop much like CM Rankurusu, whereas Roobushin has a much harder time to set-up and is easier to take down, but has that sweet Mach Punch and much more initial Power.

Both got their Pros and Cons and if you would like to use one of them in your team why not test both and see wich one fits better.

@Roger Fox What differentiates DD Zuru from these Pokemon is obviously its great typing and bulk which makes it pretty hard to OHKO and therefore easy to set-up.
 
I agree with Blasphemy with this. Frankly, everyone thinks that if a pokemon can have DD and Moxie then it HAS to run it, but frankly Moxie is just bad on Zuruzukin and DD is a waste of his talents.

I mean frankly, it's just not a useful build. Zuru has horrible base 58 speed, how is +1 supposed to help anything? What are you going to do when they just switch in a Roopushin or Shanderaa to KO you in one turn? Furthermore ANYTHING with a Scarf can just switch in first turn and KO you before you can react. Even a goddamn Scarf Tyranitar has more speed than a +1 Jolly Zuru. Even if you get really lucky, and manage to fire off 3 DDs before taking out your opponent, all it takes is one Mach Puncher or one Scarf Ditto to revenge you. (and sweep, unless you have a ghost available) It's just an awful build.

Jesus, they could have slapped DD on a Gigaiasu and you people would be giving him 252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP and insisting on a DD build for him in OU.
 
Lhardes said:
I agree with Blasphemy with this. Frankly, everyone thinks that if a pokemon can have DD and Moxie then it HAS to run it, but frankly Moxie is just bad on Zuruzukin and DD is a waste of his talents.

I mean frankly, it's just not a useful build. Zuru has horrible base 58 speed, how is +1 supposed to help anything? What are you going to do when they just switch in a Roopushin or Shanderaa to KO you in one turn? Furthermore ANYTHING with a Scarf can just switch in first turn and KO you before you can react. Even a goddamn Scarf Tyranitar has more speed than a +1 Jolly Zuru. Even if you get really lucky, and manage to fire off 3 DDs before taking out your opponent, all it takes is one Mach Puncher or one Scarf Ditto to revenge you. (and sweep, unless you have a ghost available) It's just an awful build.

Jesus, they could have slapped DD on a Gigaiasu and you people would be giving him 252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP and insisting on a DD build for him in OU.
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have you been fucking reading this thread at all? everything in this thread has basically been about bulk up.

i dont give a shit if it has 58 speed, who would care. what do you honestly need to outspeed other than 111 pokes? starmie? azelf? yeah fucking right. so what if scarftar kills you? there are so many things wrong with this statement. just because scarftar revenged lucario last gen did that make lucario shitty? how many scarftar have you honestly seen this gen? it is pretty much outclassed by the mixtar set because it gets brutally raped by nattorei. even if you get revenged by scarftar, youre facing a fucking -1 pokemon with a shitty move, any decent player could take advantage of that situation. you dont need 3 fucking dds to sweep with zuru because it tears shit up after 1 dd and moxie. oh yeah, and in case you havent noticed, roob mach punch doesnt even ohko zuru so fuck off.

it is also clear that you know little to nothing about the actual metagame since you included ditto, so learn to play an actual metagame and not one that doesnt even exist

jesus people these days with their cocky builds and such

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and most of the better players agree that dd is superior to bulk up
 
PttP said:
have you been fucking reading this thread at all? everything in this thread has basically been about bulk up.

i dont give a shit if it has 58 speed, who would care. what do you honestly need to outspeed other than 111 pokes? starmie? azelf? yeah fucking right. so what if scarftar kills you? there are so many things wrong with this statement. just because scarftar revenged lucario last gen did that make lucario shitty? how many scarftar have you honestly seen this gen? it is pretty much outclassed by the mixtar set because it gets brutally raped by nattorei. even if you get revenged by scarftar, youre facing a fucking -1 pokemon with a shitty move, any decent player could take advantage of that situation. you dont need 3 fucking dds to sweep with zuru because it tears shit up after 1 dd and moxie. oh yeah, and in case you havent noticed, roob mach punch doesnt even ohko zuru so fuck off.

it is also clear that you know little to nothing about the actual metagame since you included ditto, so learn to play an actual metagame and not one that doesnt even exist

jesus people these days with their cocky builds and such

q.q

and most of the better players agree that dd is superior to bulk up
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DD might work, but I really do think Bulk Up is the preferable set as it takes advantage of Scrafty's bulk. It outruns up to base 111s but falls to Starmie, ScarfTran, ScarfRotom, Blaziken (protects to nab the speed boost), and threats that a DDer should not be worrying about. And then there is its modest base 90 attack, which isn't particularly cutting it after a single boost this gen. You can argue Moxie but then both Mence and Gyara have that too, and significantly higher attack (and even then Gyara isn't a great DDer this gen).

Bulk Up is the better route, IMO. It takes advantage of its bulk much more effectively than DD, which MUST run HJK to inflict actual damage compared to Drain Punch. It has a niche, yes, but its a small one.
 
IcyMan28 said:
DD might work, but I really do think Bulk Up is the preferable set as it takes advantage of Scrafty's bulk. It outruns up to base 111s but falls to Starmie, ScarfTran, ScarfRotom, Blaziken (protects to nab the speed boost), and threats that a DDer should not be worrying about. And then there is its modest base 90 attack, which isn't particularly cutting it after a single boost this gen. You can argue Moxie but then both Mence and Gyara have that too, and significantly higher attack (and even then Gyara isn't a great DDer this gen).

Bulk Up is the better route, IMO. It takes advantage of its bulk much more effectively than DD, which MUST run HJK to inflict actual damage compared to Drain Punch. It has a niche, yes, but its a small one.
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i highly doubt scarftran can ohko zuru and scarf rotom doesnt have a chance. if blaziken has protect then why not use dd while it uses it. sure it takes some prediction, but so does looking at your opponents team to know not to hjk when they bring in ttar when they have a burun on their team (which is p dead obvious). im pretty sure moxie salamence and gyara havent been released yet and even though mence is strong, dragon claw isnt getting much shit done. you cant outclass something when you dont exist

blaziken MUST rely on hjk to inflict actual damage to a lot of stuff. so what. anyway i dont think ive ever seen an effective bulk up zuru team ever.
 
run ditto and call it a day if you want to revenge kill stuff. the point is that DD works but its, plain and short, outclassed by pokemons like mence who can do a lot more with just one turn of setup. sure zuzu can afford more then 1 turn of setup but what is the point if he will get similar results at +2 that pokemons like mence will at +1? bulk up on the other hand uses his superior bulky and good typing(as far coverage goes) to tear the enemy team core apart.
 
u mad? i am so sorry, does the word ditto hurt your feelings or something?


forget the ditto part then. there is more to read then that on my post.
 
youre intelligence level is lower than such of users like delta 2777 and ciele

you dont play the actual metagame, so im not sure what kind of opinion you can possess other than an incorrect one
 
Lucalibur said:
really? most of the ones i see run only enough hp to get a good leftovers number and dump a lot into special defense.
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That's what I do, and that's what I recommend others do too.

As far as the Bulk Up set is concerned, Conkeldurr is nearly almost superior to Scrafty for a few reasons:

  • No fighting weakness (that's huge)
  • Much much higher attack stat and HP, able to hit much harder sooner.
  • Mach Punch for getting that final tap.
  • Guts > Shed Skin. Better to benefit from a status than attempt to get rid of it
Scrafty does have superior defenses on both sides which makes it harder to kill, but harder to deal damage as well as it neesd that many more Bulk Ups. Also because Conkeldurr is so much more popular, it will always lose in a Bulk Up war. I've been able to come in on a +2 Scrafty and beat it by spamming Drain Punch, because I heal more. Scrafty however is somewhat useful if you have issues with Reuniclus, as Conkeldurr must retreat against it.

So Scrafty needs to fill a highly specified niche spot on certain teams to be picked over Conkeldurr, but overall it loses out. I also agree that Bulk Up is the better set though.
 
whatever you say. i actually found special DD mence to be pretty good in today metagame(yes, i tested and i consider 10+ battles enough to base a opinion on something). better then DD zuzu at least.


heck, so far you are just bitching over ditto and trying to make DD zuzu look like the best poke ever when he is just not that good. i can understand ditto complains but DD zuzu is outclassed by pretty much all other DD users.
 
if you consider 10+ battles enough to form an opinion then i must be a master at lc

right now all your arguments are poorly thought out and uneducated

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edit: can you stop fucking editing your posts after i post how the fuck do you expect me to respond to an edit and another sign of your lack of intelligence is that you havent realized i wasnt vouching dd zuru was the best dder of all time, that it is simply better than bulk up

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i consider 10-15 battles enough to form a opinion in a specific pokemon set. great thing you are a master at LC though, i respect that.


i would like to hear what you have to say about DD though, you got my interess. post a good set while you are on it for me to use and tell me how many battles i gotta use him on it to form a good opinion on it.


tell me how to use it too master. my lack of intelligence and inability to form good arguments cannot understand how to use such a amazing pokemon.
 
zuru @ leftovers
252 atk/252 spe
jolly
hjk
ice punch
dd
crunch

try to get to about 1250 with this set (right now im highly doubting you can do that) and then form an opinion

jsyk i used a dd zuru team to get suspect rights last round and ciele got an account to that number with the same team so its not impossible

still havent heard an actual argument, just some lame ass posts trying to troll me only to get buttraped in response

that sir, deserves a capital q.q

Q.Q
 
ok master, i shall now use the set and reach 1250 with him on my team. after that i shall PM you ok?

oh my! you dindt told me what to do with the leftover evs so i am just gonna put them in special defense for download users k?


now that he is gone lets talk about how bulk up zuzu is awesome.


oh fuck he dindt told me which ability i should use.
 
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