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Scrafty

Kefka the god of magic said:
>.>
It was just a simple mistake really.

Anyway,how can he out speed everything he needs to or even kill anything at +1 with fully invested defenses?

If anything, you're the one that doesn't understand,Pttp.

The BU set can be crippled when you have to freaking spam Rest and PRAY for a 30% chance to wake up because he can't OHKO the monstrosity in front of him and takes like 50% or so from the attack or he just keeps getting pummeled because he wont wake up.
The DD set can't survive much at all because it has to invest in Attack and Speed or be horribly out classed.



So now pokemon can magically avoid all attacks?
Opponents shouldn't be able to hit Scrafty...that makes total sense,especially with his tremendous speed and initial power.

Mence is neutral to Electric. It's close enough.
He does have more opportunities to set up.
NOTE: Not saying Scrafty is crap.

Oh, and btw, you shouldn't call someone out on spelling and crap like that when you make tons of errors yourself.

Whatever. I'm done with this.

Back to talking about SCRAFTY.

He's cool, but he just relies too much on Shed Skin to heal up which often stops my sweeps dead. Other times he wrecks everything, but sometimes he becomes dead weight.
I'll stick with Mence and Dnite.
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Why the fuck are investing in defencive stats if your using DD? Zuruzukin only has to survive 1 attack to get in that DD to rip through almost every single team i've ever seen, and surviving that attack is not hard at all unless your trying to set up on a Fighting type. Shed Skin is actually an amazing ability because of the chance of waking up and being able to stay in on a status user with much less fear. And Mence being neutral to Electric is not anywhere close to being resistent. You are just posting utter crap that shows nothing except for your utter incomptence and failure of how the metagame is.
 
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about the fact that moxie keeps the opponent from simply saccing pokes to you. Does it work even if your opponent dies to entry hazards?

Why...why compare Scrafty to Salamence/Dnite? Niether one has the ability to use a STAB base 120 attack. Niether one has dual base 115 defenses. Only one can actually use Moxie, but then loses the ability to use his base 120 STAB when doing so. And all three still lose to powerful scarfers.
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
>.>
It was just a simple mistake really.

Anyway,how can he out speed everything he needs to or even kill anything at +1 with fully invested defenses?

If anything, you're the one that doesn't understand,Pttp.

The BU set can be crippled when you have to freaking spam Rest and PRAY for a 30% chance to wake up because he can't OHKO the monstrosity in front of him and takes like 50% or so from the attack or he just keeps getting pummeled because he wont wake up.
The DD set can't survive much at all because it has to invest in Attack and Speed or be horribly out classed.



So now pokemon can magically avoid all attacks?
Opponents shouldn't be able to hit Scrafty...that makes total sense,especially with his tremendous speed and initial power.

Mence is neutral to Electric. It's close enough.
He does have more opportunities to set up.
NOTE: Not saying Scrafty is crap.

Oh, and btw, you shouldn't call someone out on spelling and crap like that when you make tons of errors yourself.

Whatever. I'm done with this.

Back to talking about SCRAFTY.

He's cool, but he just relies too much on Shed Skin to heal up which often stops my sweeps dead. Other times he wrecks everything, but sometimes he becomes dead weight.
I'll stick with Mence and Dnite.
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What are you talking about.

Are you saying you use a 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpDef DD Zuru? No wonder you can't get shit to work, you don't know how to use common sense.

If anything, you lack knowledge, so called "kefka the god of magic."

So you are basically saying that any Pokemon that uses Bulk Up sucks because it can get killed. If anything, Zuru is the ideal Bulk Upper because of its ability in Shed Skin. The DD set can survive a LO Doryuuzu Earthquake, and you are calling it frail. What is wrong with you. Of course it is horribly outclassed if you use the previously mentioned spread.

No it cannot magically avoid all attacks, I was making the assumption that you would assume that I meant not taking a lot of damage. Expected too much I realize.

How is not very effective close enough to neutral? That was one of the most idiotic statements I've read in this thread, and I've been arguing with you for most of it.

I use proper grammar whenever I feel, and besides I wasn't critiquing your grammar in the first place.

You're done with this because you lost the argument horribly.

Zuruzukin should be happy that you think it's shit, otherwise it would be disgraced by being commanded by such a user.
 
Berserker Lord said:
Why the fuck are investing in defencive stats if your using DD? Zuruzukin only has to survive 1 attack to get in that DD to rip through almost every single team i've ever seen, and surviving that attack is not hard at all unless your trying to set up on a Fighting type. Shed Skin is actually an amazing ability because of the chance of waking up and being able to stay in on a status user with much less fear.

And Mence being neutral to Electric is not anywhere close to being resistent. You are just posting utter crap that shows nothing except for your utter incomptence and failure of how the metagame is.
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For the first part of your paragraph: I don't invest in defenses on the DD set. Pttp apparently does invest in defense for DD >.>

For the second part: I said it was a mistake.
Want me to edit the post? I'll do just that then, because apparently mistakes discredit.

By the way, "resistance" and "incompetence".
No. They're not close enough.
I live in Puerto Rico, where we don't even study English, and I still know how to spell T_T

Can we just stop this? It's pointless.
Or should I just await your next pointless argument in this seemingly endless cycle?
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
For the first part of your paragraph: I don't invest in defenses on the DD set. Pttp apparently does invest in defense for DD >.>

For the second part: I said it was a mistake.
Want me to edit the post? I'll do just that then, because apparently mistakes discredit.

By the way, "resistance" and "incompetence".
No. They're not close enough.
I live in Puerto Rico, where we don't even study English, and I still know how to spell T_T
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Find one place where Pttp said he does invests in any stat that isn't offensive on DD Zuruzukin, otherwise your just trying to pull shit out from nowhere to try and support your atrocious arguements. And honestly, does it matter that I spell some words incorrectly when anyone who isn't retarted can understand what the word is? Just you trying to correct my spelling shows you can't think of anything else besides pointing out minor errors that add nothing to discussion.
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
For the first part of your paragraph: I don't invest in defenses on the DD set. Pttp apparently does invest in defense for DD >.>

For the second part: I said it was a mistake.
Want me to edit the post? I'll do just that then, because apparently mistakes discredit.

By the way, "resistance" and "incompetence".
No. They're not close enough.
I live in Puerto Rico, where we don't even study English, and I still know how to spell T_T

Can we just stop this? It's pointless.
Or should i just await your next pointless argument in this seemingly endless cycle?
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http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85982

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3302032&postcount=423

You know what I recommend for you? To learn the metagame, lurk more, then try to make educated posts.
 
PttP said:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85982

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3302032&postcount=423

You know what I recommend for you? To learn the metagame, lurk more, then try to make educated posts.
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Fine.
I admit I was wrong. Scrafty can OHKO stuff at +1.
ScarfTar is the most common set and Scizor is on every team.

Scrafty can survive any hit and always OHKO back and quickly and miraculously recover back to full health thanks to Rest + Shed Skin.

I am totally discredited because Salamence is neutral to Electric.

Happy? Can we stop the crap now?
Can we finally discuss the damn sets and can I finally say I prefer Mence/Dnite instead of Scrafty?
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
Fine.
I admit I was wrong. Scrafty can OHKO stuff at +1.
ScarfTar is the most common set and Scizor is on every team.

Scrafty can survive any hit and always OHKO back and quickly and miraculously recover back to full health thanks to Rest + Shed Skin.

I am totally discredited because Salamence is neutral to Electric.

Happy? Can we stop the crap now?
Can we finally discuss the damn sets and can I finally say I prefer Mence/Dnite instead of Scrafty?
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Have you honestly been ignoring my posts? In every single one of my posts I claim MixTar with SR to be the most common set. I say Scizor is less common than Nattorei but still common. I never say Zuruzukin can survive any hit and definitely not the second part of your statement.

You are totally discredited for your lack of intelligence and complete bullshit arguments.

I recommend that you reread my recommendation.
 
It's okay for you to prefer whoever you want to scrafty. But the dragons aren't exactly comparable to him at all.
 
PttP said:
Have you honestly been ignoring my posts? In every single one of my posts I claim MixTar with SR to be the most common set. I say Scizor is less common than Nattorei but still common. I never say Zuruzukin can survive any hit and definitely not the second part of your statement.

You are totally discredited for your lack of intelligence and complete bullshit arguments.

I recommend that you reread my recommendation.
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*sigh*

I recommend that you just stop. It's pointless.
I was wrong, and you were right. There's nothing more to discuss or argue.
STOP.
 
Can we try and improve the posting quality in this thread, please. I don't want to see any more stupid circlejerk arguments like the ones on the previous few pages, ta very much.
 
i just sweeped in a battle with my zuruzukin. my set was
nature:carful
Item:leftovers
Ability:Shed skin
EVs:252hp|252SpDef
Move1:BulkUp
Move2:DrainPunch
Move3:PayBack
Move4:Rest
 
I once ran a Shed Skin Pupitar in Gen 3 NU and it was up last, against a Dustox that knew Giga Drain. I'd been put to sleep previously by Wigglytuff's Sing and I was counting on Shed Skin to wake me up (asleep 3 turns). It didn't wake me up once! Shed SKin is really unreliable, but still very useful on bulky Scrafty.
 
i dont know for sure but i heard that shed skin has a 51% chance to cure a status? i know that smogon says 30% but almost everywhere else it says 51%.
 
yeah, that battle i won was actually my first real battle. before i found smogon i used to battle by only using attacks and i didnt know what ev training was. drainpunch was very useful for healing my scrafty.
 
Well the whole point of that Scrafty is to become an unbreakable physical wall and attacker that can heal itself and get back on iots feet. How did you avoid Sp. Def problems though? OHKO w/ DPunch then Rest?
 
Imperial said:
i dont know for sure but i heard that shed skin has a 51% chance to cure a status? i know that smogon says 30% but almost everywhere else it says 51%.
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A 30% chance of curing status each turn is a 51% chance of curing a status over two turns. That means a 51% chance of shortening Rest's duration - perhaps that's what you were reading about?
 
i was thinking i was going to have problems like that to. first i switched in. the opponent switched in a pokemon that was at 1/2 health, used bulk up oponent used an attack (cant remember witch) i lost about 1/2 health. i used drainpunch oponent fainted got some health back, opponent switched in opponent hit lost 1/5 of health. used bulk up. opponent hit again another 1/5. used rest woke up with shed skin then from there. i just swept with matchpunch. i dont know how acurate my health percentages are though.
 
Ok, now that I've tweaked my team a bit, I can actually sweep with the DD set.
I just dislike its lack of initial power.
Ice Punch failed to OHKO a Gliscor at +1 and it cost me the match due to the Toxic Orb poisoning me...
 
really? was it yache or something? the few times i was forced to face a gliscor with my zuzu he ohkoed 100% of the time with ice punch at +1
 
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