Hopefully Grey will give him another special move. What if you paired him with Bibarrel in doubles/triples so he gets +4 after the first attack and is maxed out after the second.
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Glare is 90% accurate now. Probably to help counteract the creep of Ground types and Electric absorbing abilities.
Doesn't Simple only work for the ability's user? I'd have to see proof of this working, but that's actually pretty clever.
The Offensive Subseed set definitely has me interested. Every Leaf Storm gives me a Nasty Plot boost, yes I will try that out. Nice analysis.
Even with Smugs' sweet Dream World ability, I still see this poke as a defensive wall. Although Jaroda is less bulky than it's defensive grass start counterparts, like venusaur and meganium, it does have two moves that are very unique. Coil/Calm Mind. Both raises atk/def on physical special side respectively making it capable to wall in both spectrum. However, Smugs does lack a true recovery move in the form of sythesis thus limiting it's walling capabilities, but I think with Giga Drain jumping to 75BP along with CM, it would be hard to take down.
Haven't really tested this:
Jaroda @ Big Root/Lefties
Nature: Calm
Ability: Overgrow
Calm Mind
Giga Drain
HP Ground/Fire/Ice
Leech Seed/Toxic/Glare/Dragon Tail
EV: 252 HP, x Def, x sAtk
The general idea is that get as many CMs as possible and then Giga Drain when in OverGrow Range. Even with Jaroda's mediocre sAtk, a Dual STAB thanks to Overgrow Giga Drain + a couple of CM will dent anything that doesn't resist and recover quiet a big of HP as well. Obviously there are a ton of counters, so HPs are for coverage. The last slot is just for different situations
LS: For more health/annoyance combo-ed with Big Root
Toxic: For Other Grass or Bulky pokes. I think this will work well with HP Ground.
Glare: Para hax + GigaDrain stall
Dragon Tail: scout for their team and potential counters.
Haven't really tested this:
Jaroda @ Big Root/Lefties
Nature: Calm
Ability: Overgrow
Calm Mind
Giga Drain
HP Ground/Fire/Ice
Leech Seed/Toxic/Glare/Dragon Tail
EV: 252 HP, x Def, x sAtk
The general idea is that get as many CMs as possible and then Giga Drain when in OverGrow Range. Even with Jaroda's mediocre sAtk, a Dual STAB thanks to Overgrow Giga Drain + a couple of CM will dent anything that doesn't resist and recover quiet a big of HP as well. Obviously there are a ton of counters, so HPs are for coverage. The last slot is just for different situations
LS: For more health/annoyance combo-ed with Big Root
Toxic: For Other Grass or Bulky pokes. I think this will work well with HP Ground.
Glare: Para hax + GigaDrain stall
Dragon Tail: scout for their team and potential counters.
Just in case people havn't seen this yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeCsGb81fWc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8bdt-Z8qg
W00t for video proof!~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeCsGb81fWc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8bdt-Z8qg
W00t for video proof!~
if the dreamworld version becomes popular, expect people to carry Herbivore Pokemon like Zeburaika and the Seasonal Deer to wall this. it would be automatically assumed that all of these will carry leaf storm, and they will switch in to get a free boost thanks to their ability. so maybe a fighting and ground attack would be wise to carry. i didnt look at the movepool so i dont know if it has any, but if now, hidden power will be helpful on jaroda
Please, proper grammar. I can barely understand your post.
And I had my old hail stall team absolutely destroyed by a Sub/Leech Seed/Leaf Storm/Taunt Jaroda by a friend of mine. Major problem with my team was Nattorei, who I replaced my Forretress with, could wall it, but only had one attacking move: Explosion. I guess I learned from that.
2HKOs Blissey with +6.
Well, Jaroda has more than just Contrarian Leaf Storm.
If you don't have access to Dream World for example, how could we use Jaroda effectively?
Looking at Jaroda mmoveset, it learns:
Calm Mind
Coil
Swords Dance
As set up moves.
Calm Mind Giga Drain seems decent so far. Maybe Coil is going to be more used than SD because of Jaroda's somewhat good defenses.
Jaroda @ Leftovers
whatever evs nature blablabla
-Coil
-Leaf Blade
-Frustration
-Leech Seed/Synthesis/Taunt
A decent shot at raising Jaroda's bulk as well as it's attack. Think about a faster but way frailer Cresselia that raises attack instead of special attack.
More useful ingame; because competitively it will get destroyed by mostly any fire type (since it can't muscle through them. Not even Infernape).
If you don't have access to Dream World for example, how could we use Jaroda effectively?
Looking at Jaroda mmoveset, it learns:
Calm Mind
Coil
Swords Dance
As set up moves.
Calm Mind Giga Drain seems decent so far. Maybe Coil is going to be more used than SD because of Jaroda's somewhat good defenses.
Jaroda @ Leftovers
whatever evs nature blablabla
-Coil
-Leaf Blade
-Frustration
-Leech Seed/Synthesis/Taunt
A decent shot at raising Jaroda's bulk as well as it's attack. Think about a faster but way frailer Cresselia that raises attack instead of special attack.
More useful ingame; because competitively it will get destroyed by mostly any fire type (since it can't muscle through them. Not even Infernape).
No it's not. Erufuun doesn't have access to Torment, or Glare. Its defenses are also much lower than Jaroda's, at 60/85/75 compared to 75/95/95. Jaroda is much better suited to a team that can set up entry hazards, as Torment or Glare will force more switches. Encore and Torment force switches in a different manner.
EDIT: Also, why are we comparing two different Pokemon? This thread is about discussing Jaroda, not comparing it to other SubSeeders, otherwise we'd have to compare them both (Erufuun and Jaroda) to Skymin.
Choice Specs + Leaf Storm = Profit?
Actually, Erufuun doesn't need to invest in Speed/Attack/Sp.Atk at all, unlike Jaroda, so Erufuun is bulkier than you expect. Also, while Jaroda has Glare/Torment, Erufuun has Taunt, Encore, and Stun Spore.
Also, most people are assuming Skymin will be Uber for now (Albeit he might be OU, or be tested)
Jaroda also gets Taunt, and Jaroda gets the more accurate Glare than Erufuun's Stun Spore. So the only thing that Efuruun has over Jaroda move wise is Encore, and even then Torment should be forcing just as many switches.
Also, about the bulk thing:
300 Atk body slam vs 252 HP/0 Def Jaroda - 95 - 112 (26.8% - 31.6%)
300 Atk body slam vs 252 HP/252 Def + Erufuun - 63 - 75 (19.4% - 23.1%)
300 SpAtk Psychic vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Jaroda - 101 - 118 (28.5 - 33.3)
300 SpAtk Psychic vs 252 HP/252 SpDef+ Erufuun - 72 - 85 (22.2 - 26.2%)
(Calculated using Marriland's calculator, it might be wrong but that's all I could find that would do this for me.)
So as you can see, their bulk isn't significantly different, and even then, Erufuun needs to run a lot of bulk to be more bulky than Jaroda in one of the defenses, and even then it would be less bulky in the other defense. That and Jaroda doesn't need to run full speed all the time, considering it has a base speed unique to itself.
If only this thing had baton pass it could be 10 times more effective... oh well
But I can see this thing being a deadly supporter, especially with the Glare bump up and 113 base speed paired with taunt.
However it is a shame that it's movepool isn't that diverse offensively. Either way I see this dude falling into UU solely due to it's ability to support teammates and not for sets like Swords Dance, which Sceptile outclasses.
But I can see this thing being a deadly supporter, especially with the Glare bump up and 113 base speed paired with taunt.
However it is a shame that it's movepool isn't that diverse offensively. Either way I see this dude falling into UU solely due to it's ability to support teammates and not for sets like Swords Dance, which Sceptile outclasses.
Don't forget about Mischievous Heart; Can Jaroda say that he can switch into a DD Salamence and Encore it before it can do anything? Yeah, no. This also means that He's not forced out by Starmie and Gengar, who is faster than you. Yes, Jaroda is slighty bulkier, but this is rather insignificant due to Erufuun having a Priority Substitute.
The only thing a priority sub is going to do to something that can one-shot you anyway without setting up is use up three extra PP from the enemy.
Not when they's been Leech Seeded.
And starmie doesn't outspeed Jaroda when it's already glared.
If starmie switches into Jaroda during sub, it gets glared breaking the sub and now Jaroda outspeeds it and can either wait for FP or just fire off Leaf Storm (Or it can even fire off a leaf storm while the sub breaks). The counter switching into a sub is going to suck for the counter on either. If the starmie is coming in to revenge, it's forcing out either one if they don't have a sub up, unless Erufuun just wants to waste some extra PP subbing up as its subs break.
The only thing Eru gets a real advantage on in this situation is if Starmie switches into leech Seed specifically. And Eru pays for this by not having any real attacking options unlike Jaroda does.
If starmie switches into Jaroda during sub, it gets glared breaking the sub and now Jaroda outspeeds it and can either wait for FP or just fire off Leaf Storm (Or it can even fire off a leaf storm while the sub breaks). The counter switching into a sub is going to suck for the counter on either. If the starmie is coming in to revenge, it's forcing out either one if they don't have a sub up, unless Erufuun just wants to waste some extra PP subbing up as its subs break.
The only thing Eru gets a real advantage on in this situation is if Starmie switches into leech Seed specifically. And Eru pays for this by not having any real attacking options unlike Jaroda does.
Again, why are you comparing these two? This is about discussing Jaroda's possible movesets, not comparing him to other Grass-types. We have no idea what tier he'll land in, so he may not even have Erufuun for competition.
Btw, those calculations are misleading due to the fact that Erufuun is running two entirely different spreads yet you're trying to pass it off as one Pokemon.. hmm.
I know Jaroda has shit for a movepool, and there are probably no more sets to truly discover that haven't been discussed.. but if that's the case just let this thread die.
Just F.Y.I., I was referring to the SubSeed Erufuun Set.(Taunt, Encore, Leech seed, Substitute, Mischievous Heart)
He'll probably end up in the Land of UU, I still think a sweeping set is his best bet since his ability is amazing, even if he has bad movepool.
Actually, what I was trying to prove with those was that Erufuun needs to invest a lot in one defense in order to be more bulky than Jaroda, and if it does that Jaroda will be able to take a hit much better in the defense that Erufuun didn't invest in.
Bound to happen.
Jaroda @Life Orb for power / Leftovers for survailability
Contrarian
Power: 252 Spatk, 252 Spee, 4 HP
Survailability: 252 HP, 128 Def, 128 Spdef
~Leaf Storm
~Giga Drain
~Leech Seed
~Filler
Pretty simple; set up Leech Seed, go crazy with Leaf Storm,use Giga Drain when low on health.
Jaroda @Life Orb for power / Leftovers for survailability
Contrarian
Power: 252 Spatk, 252 Spee, 4 HP
Survailability: 252 HP, 128 Def, 128 Spdef
~Leaf Storm
~Giga Drain
~Leech Seed
~Filler
Pretty simple; set up Leech Seed, go crazy with Leaf Storm,use Giga Drain when low on health.
