Well,crunch and close combat share near perfect coverage,EQ and close combat just do the same thing bar AegislashAegislash
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One difference: without considering secondary typing, crunch hits flying types for neutral damage, EQ does no damage, and close combat is resisted.
well, fairies exist now.
crunch is only really necessary if extremespeed > bullet punch, but since the original question involved the use of bullet punch, nothing else is compulsory
Well,the question was what else to use,bullet punch+crunch+close combat= Best build for mega LukeLuke
Depends on what kind of Tentacool you want, PM me for further inquiry. Regardless of what kind you want, I can give you one for free.
There's more than one tactic for either legendary since they have different typing. So, because I'm lazy I'll give you Dark Ray/ Buckert's method via Buckert's explination and
"The Accelgor I came up with has 200 HP. This mon is at lvl 70 with 12 HP IV, in order to reach the 200 HP. Taught it Final Gambit, which does damage equal to the users HP. Yveltal and Xerneas will have 201 HP at lvl 50 with 31 HP. So, do Final Gambit to check it's HP IV. If it faints, reset. If it survives, it means it has 1 HP left and it has 31 HP. Next, the Smeargle. The one I came up with has a Sassy nature and 5 Spe IV's. I brought it to lvl 90, since it won't listen if it has a higher lvl at that point. When being lvl 90 with Sassy nature and 5 Spe IV, it has 129 Speed. A +Spe natured Yveltal or Xerneas will have 130 Speed at lvl 50. Switch to Smeargle when Accelgor faints, use Spore. If you move first, it doesn't have 31 Speed so you want to reset."
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"What I did was get a Throh with Mold Breaker and breed it until it has 23 Speed IV (or lower) and 18 Attack IVs (or lower) with a minus attacking nature. At level 100 (Bred it on that game and then trade it to my other game so I can train it to level 100) Throh's attack should be 200, and his speed should be 118 (Modest Xerneas has 119) Once you start the battle, if Throh's ability (Mold Breaker) activates before Xernea's Fairy Aura then you know Throh is fater, so reset. If Xerneas ends up being faster then go for the Seismic Toss first, if Xernea's HP bar turns yellow from green then that Xerneas has a HP stat of 200 or less. Reset. After you used Seismic Toss, then use Storm Throw on the Xerneas. It should never do 50% to a Xerneas with 31 IVs in Defense. If it fainted then the Xerneas had a Defense IV lower than 31. For the other two stats, I just leave it to chance. .__."
Alternatively, I partially
Edit - Whoops forgot fellow bug catcher:
"I like to give HP and speed testing to 2 different Pokemon, a fast Final Gambit mon (like Accelgor) with 1 less HP than the targets max, and any random thing for speed. If the HP IV is 29 or less it dies and you know to SR (takes up 3 party slots rather than 2, but Lysandre is so bad that doesn't really matter)."
"This is awesome, thank you very much. First I'll let my syncer die, then I'll switch to a lvl 70 Accelgor with 12 HP IV with Final Gambit. That'll have 200 HP, one Final Gambit will do 200 damage. After that I'll switch to the Smeargle for the Speed check. No need for False Swipe and Swords Dance then. 2 other moves I could use?"
"Heal Block is nice if you don't want Yveltal getting back to 30% after Oblivion Wing, Topsy Turvy destroys Xerneas' attempts to stat boost and sweep you, but Xern/Yvel are fairly easy captures so it's probably not necessary to have anything other than Spore."
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I might have a 5 IV male lying around. Let me check. If not I can breed you one. No need to give me anything in return :D
EDIT: Yeah, I do. Here it is:
- Tentacool: Bold [Clear Body], 31/x/31/31/31/31 | Male | Dive Ball | Moves: Knock Off, Haze, Rapid Spin, Confuse Ray
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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lucario.3507174/
crunch isn't even a slash on the set. it's in other options: "Crunch is also an option that can be used to hit Pokemon such as Slowbro super effectively."
just to be clear, i have crunch and bullet punch on the one i offer in my thread, but it's not mandatory at all.
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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lucario-gp-3-3.3502523/
i posted the OU set to at least give something, because crunch is even less useful in ubers than OU. its only use is aegisslash, and as i already mentioned, earthquake is better because it does a lot more damage and there's no chance of an attack drop. there's no reason to keep dragging out this conversation when i already said crunch was not useless, just not mandatory
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Mega Luke....
I´m searching for a reflect type parent, so all abilities are fine :)
My current inheritance pattern is M/M/x/F/M/F so only HP, Att and SpD would matter, but I would definitely love your 5IV and check some PowerItems to change the pattern. Let´s PM for the trade :)
If you're talking about this set:
Swords Dance
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name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Close Combat
move 3: Iron Tail / Ice Punch / Earthquake
move 4: Extreme Speed
ability: Justified
item: Life Orb
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
nature: Adamant
Iron tail and ice punch are both move tutor moves (can't breed it in gen 6), so only earthquake is a viable option for a *bred* gen 6 lucario. Hence, the discussion. :)
my very first post on this discussion, and my entire point all along, is that earthquake is better than crunch and that bullet punch was the only mandatory egg move. i honestly don't know what your point is unless it's that you agree with me :)
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I was just confused because the link described a set that advocated primarily using tutor moves that a poor Kalos bred luc can't get. EQ is a great move, and the only flying type it's likely to face is talonflame, which is pretty much gg for luc with no matter if you choose EQ or crunch as your 3rd coverage move.
I need a banner for my Trade Thread. Can anyone direct me to good artists? http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bidoof-shop-closed-for-maintenance.3509653/
http://www.smogon.com/forums/members/diabolico.39556/ is a good one and a nice guy to boot:)
Still looking for a Ground type Egg for my Egglocke challenge if anyone would be nice enough to donate :)
I have toto,did you even see my list?
I can give you one in a few hours when I get home.
It's not in a Dive Ball, not Shiny and I think it's missing Crunch, unless that's a level up move. I want Dive Ball Female or Dive Ball Shiny. :P
Thanks so much! Do tell me when you can go on then!
It is in a dive ball,I have a female....look carefully on the list at page 6....
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