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Simple Questions & Simple Answers & General Resources (OU Edition) MK II
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Having a scarfer is a must for me. If you want some suggestions, Mienshao and Moxie Heracross work nice as scarfers with sets like this:
Heracross @ Choice Scarf | Jolly Nature
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Sdef | Moxie
Close Combat | Stone Edge | Megahorn | Nighslash
Mienshao @ Choice Scarf | Naive nature
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Sdef | Reckless or Regenerator
Hi Jump Kick | U turn | Stone Edge | Hidden Power Ice
Tornadus-T and Specially Defensive Jirachi. Jirachi helps really nice taking hits going to Breloom like Hurricanes or Psyshocks from Latios. Run body slam on him and Loom will be happy because the easy time setting up. :J
Heh, don't you mean thunder? :p
your mindset is too formulaic. teambuilding is not as simple as "this is my physical sweeper, this is my special sweeper, this is my scarfer, this is my bander, i got two filler, boom does this team work?" the use of scarves/bands/specs/etc is broad and it's really not reasonable to assume that they are or are not necessary on a team. not all scarfers/etc are directly comparable and neither are the teams that use them. moreover, to say that they are would be rather misleading.
you should also consider why exactly the pokemon "don't have choice sets listed on smogon". bisharp and mismagius are both, not mincing any words, TERRIBLE in ou. moreover their choiced sets might be unlisted because they face competition from a pokemon that fills similar roles better. i'm not a UU expert, but just at first glance i do not see many UU speedymons that would make scarf mismag useful, where as say scarf chandelure is definitely a thing and packs more punch.
overall, your questions are good but misguided. there is no answer to the question "should my team have a choiced mon on it?" that's far too dependent on how you play and what your team is. however, the question "should every team have a choiced mon on it?" has a very easy answer - no. teambuilding is simply too open ended of a process to make such a generalized statement. the only proven method is to experiment and find out what works the hard way, although more specific advice is possible if your situation is more specific as well (ie list more mons, be more specific about how you want to play the team, etc).
EDIT @ BELOW: this is the OU sqsa thread, i assume every question is about OU. UU has its own thread if that's what he's asking about, but it's here, so that's what i'm going to work with
I prefer body slam because the rain is not going to be there always. Moreover, if you want to use thunder and iron head, a -Atk nature will make iron head have less power and a -Satk will make Thunder have less power. I dont like natures that lowers Speed like Quiet because you will be always outspeeded by things like Adamant Breloom.
Careful lowers your special attack, so iron head + body slam is my best set :] Anyways you can use thunder wave if prefered.
I think he is playing in UU...
Is sub-seed Ferrothorn viable or not? If not, why isn't it?
Nope... not really all that viable IMO because he simply doesn't have enough moveslots to abuse it. Spikes is basically mandatory, and the with SubSeed, there's one slot left. Without Power Whip / Gyro Ball, it's Taunt bait, and basically anyone can outspeed and Taunt Ferrothorn. Also, Ferrothorn would also like some form of a status-inducing move, whether it be Thunder Wave or Toxic, as Ferrothorn won't being leading any 6-0 sweeps and is much more focused on supporting the team (eg speed drop or residual damage). Final thing is, if you do wish to stall, why would Ferrothorn waste HP on a sub (easily broken as the OU metagame is infested with Fighting-type STABS) when it can Protect stall for Leftovers and Leech Seed recovery, simultaneously guarding against supereffective moves, status, Taunt, etc.
No. It is not viable. Just a few reasons.
1.- Its way too slow to get a sub and then seed the opponent. Usually you'll get burned or attacked before you can sub up.
2.- What are you gonna do with Grass-types? HP fire Celebi says HIIIII.
He is better at support with rocks or spikes. If you want to use a sub-seeder, i would use sun venusaur or whimsicott because of priority (no).
Hope i helped
When you sign-up for Tutoring, how do I know if I get a tutor? Will I get a PM?
Hopefully I don't look like a complete idiot asking this, but I've always been curious. Why are entire Pokemon banned/put in certain tiers when it's sometimes a move or ability that makes them better? For example, Garchomp somewhat recently got unbanned with its hax-based ability Sand Veil banned. I wholeheartedly agree with this, of course. But it begs the question of other Pokemon like Blaziken. Blaziken as a whole got banned due to Speed Boost, but since Speed Boost is the reason, why wasn't just the ability banned? Same with Politoed. Drizzle makes it OU while its stats tell it to linger in the lower tiers. Is it plausible to ban Drizzle in lower tiers but allow it only in OU? The same thing could be concerned with moves. For example, banning the use of Hurricane on Tornadus-T would certainly make it less frightening. Would that complicate the tiering/banning process?
yes. also as a whole, i think complex bans (eg Hurricane on Torn-T) are frowned upon, simply because then people would pick and choose at aspects of pokemon. "oh i don't like Pokemon X b/c of ability A, move B, etc" would result on "Pokemon X is banned only if ability A is not used or when running moveset C" blah blah blah would just be too much of a hassle. (they did do that with Rough Skin Garchomp though NOT.)
edit: sorry for the misinformation: i totally forgot about the evasion ability ban... yeah Garchomp isn't special:P
edit: sorry for the misinformation: i totally forgot about the evasion ability ban... yeah Garchomp isn't special:P
Pokémon+ability bans are regarded as too complex, and banning Speed Boost entirely would severely nerf all the other Pokémon that get it (Yanmega would still be decent with Tinted Lens, I guess).
As for banning Drizzle in lower tiers, that wouldn't accomplish anything since Politoed would still be OU by usage, and making exceptions to the usage rules could easily turn into a gigantic mess.
The difference is that Sand Veil was banned on all Pokémon, not just Garchomp.
Oh right I totally forgot that the whole ability was banned in Garchomp's case. That totally clears it up, especially because it seemed odd that Blaziken as an entire Pokemon was banned. Thanks!
Ferrothorn has a major 4 move slot syndrome and Substitute just does not carry enough merit to take up a spot. Ferrothorn's roles are generally compacted into pivot switching, sponging attacks, laying down hazards, and stopping set-up sweepers, and Substitute does nothing to help those. Plus, it's simply outclassed by other SubSeeders like Venusaur, who can deal SE + Sun boosted HP Fire damage on the grass types that are immune to Leech Seed. It also has Sleep Powder to nab a free Sub and begin the Seeding process. Breloom, even though it's uncommon to see now, is also an excellent SubSeeder because of its access to Spore and Toxic Heal, meaning it's very difficult to take down once it's behind a Sub. Focus Punch is also another way to abuse the Substitues it can pretty easily get. Leech Seed's just non-viable on Ferrothorn because it has better and more important roles to fill for a team which require different/more moves. Plus, protect is sufficient enough and doesn't take 25% of your HP.Someoneelse said:
Check the sign up thread after sign ups close and there will be a list showing the assignments of the tutors and the tutees. If you see your name, send your tutor a PM
i don't know any of the specifics either, but it's definitely too early to say at this point
OK, what two last members should I put on my rain stall team of defensive Poli, SubSeed Loom, Support Chomp, and standard Ferro? I once have Keldeo, it wrecks shit but well it's a stall team :/
Hugin, iirc Stark Mountain (DP forum) stayed a while after Gen V started before it got merged in Past Gens forum. I don't know but I assume we will still do suspect test until the October tier (and generation) shift...
BTW, I kinda miss DST :(
Hugin, iirc Stark Mountain (DP forum) stayed a while after Gen V started before it got merged in Past Gens forum. I don't know but I assume we will still do suspect test until the October tier (and generation) shift...
BTW, I kinda miss DST :(
You definitely need something to counter\check Tornadus-T, because with your current setup it can easily 1-2hko every member of your team while you can't do much in return. You can try a specially defensive Jirachi or a support specially defensive Rotom-W. I also think that Jellicent might fit your stall team, providing a spin-blocker and a solid answer to Keldeo. Note, however, that I'm not a stall player.
@Hugin: we'll be probably done with suspect tests before July. New forums for X\Y will be created when the games are officially released.
@Hugin: we'll be probably done with suspect tests before July. New forums for X\Y will be created when the games are officially released.
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