I like Moonblast / Thunderbolt / Fire Blast / Soft-Boiled the most. You can run Calm Mind instead of Fire Blast for stall too, but missing out on Ferrothorn is often undesirable. Thunderbolt is mandatory to deal with Toxapex. While it doesn't actually 2HKO Toxapex, it's enough to PP stall Toxapex's Recover. It's also nice to wear down Heatran quickly.Which moves does usually run LO Clefable?
One thing to note is that if you run Calm Mind, then Stored Power is a possible option in the last slot to break through Chansey/Unaware mons easier, but there's better stallbreakers out there so it's usually just best to go LO + 3 Attacks.I like Moonblast / Thunderbolt / Fire Blast / Soft-Boiled the most. You can run Calm Mind instead of Fire Blast for stall too, but missing out on Ferrothorn is often undesirable. Thunderbolt is mandatory to deal with Toxapex. While it doesn't actually 2HKO Toxapex, it's enough to PP stall Toxapex's Recover. It's also nice to wear down Heatran quickly.
Z-Fly is generally the go to I guess and the complimentary coverage for it, if it is not mono-attacking, tends to be Earthquake for Steel types as opposed to making it dual STAB.Why does dragonite, in those few instances you actually see it in OU, pretty much never run dragon type moves?
To add onto what Finch said, Dragon type moves in general have become somewhat of a rarity in OU, simply because Dragon honestly isn't that great of an offensive type anymore. Fairy is immune to it and Steel resists it, which are two of the most common types in OU, and it only deals SE damage to other Dragon types.Why does dragonite, in those few instances you actually see it in OU, pretty much never run dragon type moves?
There should be articles on the main site for each game or in the articles workshop, or you can look in the Wi-Fi section to see if there is any there. If not, the Wi-Fi showdown room and Discord server, or even the main chat on Showdown or certain channels in the main Smogon Discord server should have people who could help you out.Im sry, I know its not the place to ask, but is there a RNG forum on Smogon or on discord? Where I can get some help?
Hello,Where can I find the DPP (or Generation 4 as a whole?) viability Ranking?
Focus Blast Clefable was definitely an idea I saw floating around when I played in ORAS OU, so it isn't a bad set persay, just not well suited to the current metagame. The main "lure" Clefable set at the moment (Life Orb), prefers running Fire Blast + Thunderbolt as coverage because pressuring Toxapex more heavily is a lot more important than pressuring Heatran, as Toxapex can recover HP way easier, and in the same vein, you can usually just chip Heatran in the long run with stuff like Knock Off Ferrothorn, entry hazards, and repeated Thunderbolts from Clefable itself.i know this is really wack, but thoughts on focus blast clefable?
it punishes heatran and ferro on switchin with one slot, mostly for heatran because heatran switching on clef for free is pretty annoying
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Go for it!Where am I allowed to ask a complex question with a complex answer?
The last time I played was during BW/BW2 weather apocalypse. Now I've come back and everything is confusing, there's things like mega pokemon and z moves. I want to get back into competitive battling but these new things are a bit off putting to have to learn about. Also I haven't bought any of the mainline pokemon games since Black 2 so I have no idea about any new moves, abilities, items, or pokemon. I'm not sure where to start again.Go for it!
In a nutshell:The last time I played was during BW/BW2 weather apocalypse. Now I've come back and everything is confusing, there's things like mega pokemon and z moves. I want to get back into competitive battling but these new things are a bit off putting to have to learn about. Also I haven't bought any of the mainline pokemon games since Black 2 so I have no idea about any new moves, abilities, items, or pokemon. I'm not sure where to start again.
Soul Dew is unbanned (in both OU and UU) since it's been nerfed. The only banned items I can think of are the respective Mega Stones of the banned Mega Evolutions if the base Pokémon is allowed.A simpler question, is there somewhere that lists banned items for tiers? The tier pages describe pokemon and clauses but don't list items that are banned from play. The immediate one that comes to mind is soul dew, which IIRC was banned when I last played.
Steel and Fairy are almost definitely the two best types right now.Are steels still best? What was the impact of fairy types?
It doesn't -- at least not particularly well. Stealth Rock Mega Diancie usually matches up quite well with stall in general, tbhHow does Avalugg + Moltres stall deal with Stealth rock Mega Diance? Does it have to double in a Diance answer every time, or have I missed something obvious?
Rotom-W only has so many moveslots to work with, and people almost always prefer some combination of Defog, Volt Switch, Hydro Pump, Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split, Thunder Wave, etc so Rest is harder to fit into the set. Also, Rotom-W's nature of a pivot means it wants to keep momentum, and taking a turn to heal with Rest sort of defeats that purpose. Pain Split can at least damage the opponent while healing and can be used more than once in battle since it's not reliant on the Chesto Berry.Is there a reason why the Chesto Rest Rotom Wash set isn't popular this Gen?
Some pinch berries (Iapapa, Figy, etc.) were buffed to give 50% hp back when a pokemon falls to 25%. This is often much better than Chesto because Rest takes a moveslot and a turn to use, while pinch berries do not. Also, in part because of power creep, Toxic is not super common so Rotom doesn't need Rest to solve status. For most teams, it's easier just to kill Rotom than to try and stall it out. The popularity of Toxapex, Chansey, Clefable, Magearna, Heatran, and Ferrothorn is another built-in reason not to run Toxic, since they all block it. The mechanic with pinch berries is important too. Unlike Chesto, you don't need a turn to heal. It's common for players to strategically play these berries to double swap or revenge kill and get a free heal once per game instead of letting Rotom get hit another time, give up another turn, and possible die if your opponent hits hard.Is there a reason why the Chesto Rest Rotom Wash set isn't popular this Gen?