Theres a variety of factors that could influence this - would you mind sharing what format you were playing and if it was cart or showdown. VGC has things like tailwind and max airstream that affect speed.
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Nope, OU. They were definitely the mons they appeared to be, frustratingly..
No I haven't got replays, but I'll get one the next time it happens and post it here! No stat changes as they'd be switched out and just finish off my Noivern no problem, and don't think there were field conditions in play
OU format, and I was playing on Showdown. As far as I was aware, asides from trick room a couple of times there had been no other speed enhancing moves/abilities affecting them, so unless a held item could increase their speed enough I'm stumped tbh
Since you are playing OU, could you show screenshots of your pokemon in the teambuilder to confirm they are setup correctly?
Boltund will always be outsped if it uses Roar, as the move has negative priority (you might have already known that, but it's a common enough mistake that it warrants noting) though I'm stumped with Noivern.
Only other thing I can think of is potentially they have quick claw on the mons. Just pay attention to the chat during a battle next time this happens and see if it says anything about a quick claw popping off.
Swift swim Seismitoad maybe
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...-has-in-post-372.3661910/page-17#post-8489083 -- I posted a sample team and explanation here.
Speaking of Libero Cinderace, I’ve been thinking about taking an All-Out Attacker approach, similar to how I ran Greninja in previous gens. Was thinking something like this. Haven’t played in a while, so this is a rather simple one:
Cinderace @ Life Orb
Ability: Libero
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Pyro Ball
- Sucker Punch
- Zen Headbutt
I would like feedback on this set, if possible. I know well that I’d need to pair with a defogger (or Excadrill) since I’m foregoing boots, as well as something to take Hippowdon on.
Cinderace @ Life Orb
Ability: Libero
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Pyro Ball
- Sucker Punch
- Zen Headbutt
I would like feedback on this set, if possible. I know well that I’d need to pair with a defogger (or Excadrill) since I’m foregoing boots, as well as something to take Hippowdon on.
Ah checking the chat is a very good idea, thank you. I'll keep an eye out!
Offensively WoW HexPult and BU Zeraora do decently against it, along with common scarfers like Togekiss and Hydreigon. Unaware Quagsire is also a decent check. Unless they HJK on the switch (hard to do with ghost meta) Quag isn't 2HKO'd by anything.
In terms of more experimental stuff there's a lot of bulky grounds that you could mess around with. Runegrigus is something that comes to mind as a fun counter with that HJK immunity and Pyro resistance. Torkoal and Golisopod are both niche mons that do well against all of its commonly run moves, but they struggle long term due to a lack of recovery. This paragraph is completely theorymonning but due to the newness of Cinderace the meta hasn't had time to adjust to its presence yet.
With Libero out now, I don't believe Dragapult can be considered an offensive check any longer, sadly. Pseudo-STAB Sucker Punch has a chance to OHKO after Rocks.
252 Atk Libero Cinderace Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 270-318 (85.1 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
The one way I could think of Dragapult still combating it is if you predict the Sucker Punch and WoW in response, since I believe Cinderace will become Dark-type even if the Sucker fails. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that. I also don't recall if becoming Fire-type again through either switching out or using Pyro will keep it burnt, or if it will heal that when it's Fire again.
Additionally, Runerigus does not actually resist Pyro Ball. It still has massive bulk and only takes 31.8 - 37.5% when fully invested in Defense, but Pyro Ball is neutral on both Ground and Ghost. Libero Sucker Punch actually does more damage to Rune (36.2 - 43.7%), but could be interfered with by Wandering Spirit. With clutch switches, you can lock it into an undesired type and either hit back (if it's still Fire), or use that time to set hazards or even burn it (if Dark/other).
The starter hidden abilities came out on Tuesday. The most recent update other than the Dracovish ban goes back to the Arena Trap ban in March I believe (Melmetal was tested in April but it didn't lead to anything), so no.
Be on the lookout for the installment of the first DLC, The Isle of Armor, on the 17th though.
With the starters getting their HAs its pretty obvious that Cinderace and Rillaboom should use them, but should Inteleon? I feel like sniper is better than torrent, but figured I should ask.
Inteleon has always struggled in OU. Its frailty and inability to break prominent defensive Pokemon such as Toxapex means it is heavily out classed by other offensive waters. If you are set on using it, the people in the Metagame Analysis Thread have talked a bit about Crit sets vs Specs.
i've always thought that status condition are kind of broken and i don't think i'm the only one since something like the sleep clause exist and some got even nerfed directly by gamefreak, still now burning, poisoning and paralysis( that i especially hate and want the skip turn mechanic removed since it transform the game in haxxmon) are overall really common, so i wonder, why does aromatherapy has never been really played other than in hard stall ? do i overate the power and impact of status conditions ?
They are powerful yes and that's why they're so common. Aromatherapy and heal bell don't have great distribution, so it's hard to find a user to fit onto most teams who's drawbacks don't outweigh the cleric support. You may need to change your playstyle to respect the impact of status. Remember that you can choose which pokemon gets t-waves or burned. If you have a TTar in and you DD as they bring in clefable, and then you chose to DD again or to go for a stone crit while they T-wave you, that's on you for not switching out to something that doesn't mind paralysis as much.
What counters does Libero Cinderace have?
The only counter of Libero Cinderace that I know of is Unaware Quagsire, which is very niche in the OU metagame.
You could also use checks instead like Hippowdon, Rhyperior and Toxapex (which beats Cinderace without Zen Headbutt) as long as you play carefully around it and don't let Cinderace drive to madness with Bulk Up.
Brilliant, thanks for the tips RottenInfernape .