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Are we gonna have a Teambuilding competition?
Just had a random thought about that xd
Projects are slowly being worked out but I'm unaware of whether this one in particular will be happening anytime soon. But as the tier develops you can probably expect this thread to come back eventually, along with others.
 

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What kind of role does drapion have and in what kind of set does it translate?
Drapion was most commonly seen as a decent offensive check to Psychic and Ghost types like Chandelure, Polteageist, Gardevoir, Indeedee, that could spread Toxic or Toxic Spikes, use taunt to annoy defensive POkemon, and had access to Knock Off which was uncommon before Pokemon HOME released. A set like this was pretty common,

Drapion @ Black Sludge
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 44 SpD / 216 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Toxic
- Toxic Spikes
- Taunt

The speed stat was changeable, depending on what sort of things you wanted it to check. 216 Speed EVs let it check roserade better, but you could also drop it down to 184 EVs to outspeed rotom forms, or 136 EVs to only outspeed Chandelure. Some variants may also have opted to run Poison Jab over one of the two status moves.

Some other sets were used such as Scarf and Swords Dance, but these utility sets were the most common.

In general after Pokemon home however, drapion has lost a lot of it's uniqueness, with Toxic and Knock Off becoming more widespread. This leaves it as more of just a general check to Pokemon like Chandelure and Polteageist that can provide some utility to a team and a toxic spikes absorber / toxic immunity, but would be relegated mainly to more offensive teams as defensive teams have plenty of options as far as Toxic goes and have less need of drapion now.
 
Why is discussion about Coalossal banned for the viability ranking? I was going through the tier list and was really confused for why Coalossal had it's own tier and was banned from being talked about. Now that I think about it this isn't strictly related to competitive pokemon but I don't know where else I would ask.
 
Why is discussion about Coalossal banned for the viability ranking? I was going through the tier list and was really confused for why Coalossal had it's own tier and was banned from being talked about. Now that I think about it this isn't strictly related to competitive pokemon but I don't know where else I would ask.
The main reason this usually happens is that it's UU by usage, but compared to other pokemon it has no real viable niche and generally just isn't good. The typing and stats of Coalossal isn't very good and the only real reason it may be used is due to having hazards+spin together, but overall there are just other things that can do it better. Overall it's just a really mediocore choice overall in a lot of ways.
 
Why is discussion about Coalossal banned for the viability ranking? I was going through the tier list and was really confused for why Coalossal had it's own tier and was banned from being talked about. Now that I think about it this isn't strictly related to competitive pokemon but I don't know where else I would ask.
Coalossal really sucks. Besides how disappointing its design is visually AND stat-wise after the promising Rolycoly, it's slow and defensive while not having the typing to be able to live common attacks like Earthquake from... anything, Aqua Jet or Liquidation from Golisopod, or most strong Fighting moves. It can be a spinner, but it's weak to stealth rock, which mandates boots when it really wants Leftovers passive recovery. Its offensive stats are too low to cheese teams by coming in on Chandelure's Fire Blast or something even if Coalossal holds a Weakness Policy. It's also very passive so your opponent can often set up in your face while you try to figure out how to contribute to the battle by using it. Maybe you could win if your opponent is taking a shit and they lose by timer? I don't know.

Here are some other UU Pokémon that can do the things that Coalossal does, but better:
  • Avalugg has bad typing, but its raw physical bulk is absurd and it has a recovery move, making it a far better spinner.
  • Claydol is noob bait but at least has nice defensive typing and Teleport, please let it drop to RU where its talents would be greatly appreciated.
  • Forgot Duraludon, but it's quite good and can kill itself with Steel Beam to prevent Rapid Spin and Defog.
  • Hippowdon is what you want if you need a stealth rock setter with good bulk, it's not as absurdly tanky as Avalugg but has more utility moves and a better ability.
  • (I just closed the tab by accident thank GOD this saved) Mamoswine is a great offensive rocker with really nice STAB and threatening priority.
  • Fucking Morpeko is probably a better spinner than that thing.
  • Rhyperior is terrifying, no hazard remover or Magic Bounce user wants to switch in so you get to play a guessing game that almost always works in your favor. Do NOT use it to switch into Chandelure!
  • Tsareena has kind of bad typing but has good coverage and attack so you can actually threaten shit. My favorite is AV with High Jump Kick, U-Turn, Power Whip, and Rapid Spin; I call it the Weekend Whip because it can jump up, kick back, whip around and spin.
  • edit: shit I forgot to mention Bronzong
Here are some Pokémon that aren't UU but still are probably better than Coalossal at spinning and/or hazard setting:
  • Dhelmise is also slow with bad typing, but its Attack stat is crazy!
  • Gigalith is the king of RU and is certainly usable here.
  • Hitmonlee has a lot of flaws, but its Reckless High Jump Kick is so unholy that it doesn't really matter. It's not a good spinner at all, but I just wanted to point out that its Choice Banded HJK hits harder than Mega Medicham's.
  • Mr. Rime is really hard to fit on a team, but he has the coverage to hit almost everything in the tier super effectively and has an assload of utility moves that make him a really fun niche pick. If you're really concerned about him losing to Rhyperior, Grass Knot is a 120 BP move against it and kind of just blows it up on the switch.
  • Mudsdale is just a worse Hippowdon with a slightly better ability, but it's still better than Coalossal.
  • Runerigus can set hazards and spinblock at the same time!
Unfortunately, everything below RU is kind of garbage at this point and is hard to justify using over even the niche options I just listed. So yeah, don't use Coalossal please.
 
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Here are some other UU Pokémon that can do the things that Coalossal does, but better:
  • Avalugg has bad typing, but its raw physical bulk is absurd and it has a recovery move, making it a far better spinner.
  • Claydol is noob bait but at least has nice defensive typing and Teleport, please let it drop to RU where its talents would be greatly appreciated.
  • Forgot Duraludon, but it's quite good and can kill itself with Steel Beam to prevent Rapid Spin and Defog.
  • Hippowdon is what you want if you need a stealth rock setter with good bulk, it's not as absurdly tanky as Avalugg but has more utility moves and a better ability.
  • (I just closed the tab by accident thank GOD this saved) Mamoswine is a great offensive rocker with really nice STAB and threatening priority.
  • Fucking Morpeko is probably a better spinner than that thing.
  • Rhyperior is terrifying, no hazard remover or Magic Bounce user wants to switch in so you get to play a guessing game that almost always works in your favor. Do NOT use it to switch into Chandelure!
  • Tsareena has kind of bad typing but has good coverage and attack so you can actually threaten shit. My favorite is AV with High Jump Kick, U-Turn, Power Whip, and Rapid Spin; I call it the Weekend Whip because it can jump up, kick back, whip around and spin.
How dare u to dont mention Bronzong as a viable SR setter? :psycry:
 
So I'm beginning to play pokémon more competitively, and I'm pretty new to this. I can't seem to use my Chandelure effectively/correctly because it will either be out speeded or OHKO'd. I need help understanding a few things.
A) How would trick + choice scarf be useful and/or how do I use it effectively?
B) Would it be better to use choice specs (and trick)?
C) What does it mean to be a wall breaker?
D) Would there be any better pokemon for wall breaking?
 
So I'm beginning to play pokémon more competitively, and I'm pretty new to this. I can't seem to use my Chandelure effectively/correctly because it will either be out speeded or OHKO'd. I need help understanding a few things.
A) How would trick + choice scarf be useful and/or how do I use it effectively?
B) Would it be better to use choice specs (and trick)?
C) What does it mean to be a wall breaker?
D) Would there be any better pokemon for wall breaking?
The idea behind tricking a choice scarf is that you can cripple walls that you're unable to break past. For example, Umbreon walls you forever, but if you trick it a scarf it becomes very difficult for it to perform its job. Wish and toxic are not good moves to be locked into.
You can use trick with specs, too. It can be a little riskier because you could accidentally give a special attacker the specs and turn it into even more of a threat. But I think chandelure should run trick on any choiced set.

A wall breaker is a mon that can put immediate pressure on walls, threatening to OHKO/2HKO a lot of stuff usually. This is in contrast to a sweeper, which will have lower atk/spatk stats, but higher speed and access to a boosting move, requiring time to set up. Chandelure is a great breaker, but it's all team dependent on which wall breaker suits you best.
 

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