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Aberforth

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#2
Dead mentorship forum link is dead.

Does OU's unbanning of the move swagger effect us in any way, given it will no longer be a Smogon-Wide Clause? If so, can we please opt out of that one and keep the Swag Clause?
 
#3
Dead mentorship forum link is dead.

Does OU's unbanning of the move swagger effect us in any way, given it will no longer be a Smogon-Wide Clause? If so, can we please opt out of that one and keep the Swag Clause?
Removed the link.

Good question, personally I'm a bit behind in the events. We will naturally proceed to have an internal discussion about this.
 

Aberforth

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Yes to the Red and Blue Orb, there are a bunch of Mega Stones currently missing from the game. I dont have the full list on hand, but at the bare minimum there's Diancie, Lopunny and Medicham that are currently missing. I believe the Hoenn starters are currently missing too, but I'm not sure on that one.
 
#7
Not sure if this is the exact place to question this, but

Why is Ash-Greninja not avaliable in showdown yet? I guess programming his ability may be a bit problematic
 
#8
Why is the Ubers tier not usage based? Would gen7 not be a good chance to start make the Uber tier usage based and then build OU and lower from that? I am asking because it seems weird that we now have a banlist for a banlist.
 
#9
Why is the Ubers tier not usage based? Would gen7 not be a good chance to start make the Uber tier usage based and then build OU and lower from that? I am asking because it seems weird that we now have a banlist for a banlist.
It's based on a difference in philosophy. Basically OU is supposed to be the "main metagame" and as such strives to be balanced, competitive and non-centralized. Ubers seeks more to be competitive, but not necessarily balanced or uncentralized. Primal groudon getting 90% usage, for example, is something that's ok in ubers but not in ou

A clearer description can be found in the policy review subforum I think
 
#11
Solgaleo has better defenses, recovery, and you keep your Mega slot. 100% accuracy on the Steel STAB is pretty nice for something that's supposed to check Xerneas as well.

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Metagross: 266-314 (88.3 - 104.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Solgaleo 318-375 (76.6 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
 

Edgar

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#12
Is Ray with Dragon Ascent supposed not to be able to use a Z move? Because I tried to use one but it would only allow me to mega evolve first and then use the Z move
 

Funbot28

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Is Ray with Dragon Ascent supposed not to be able to use a Z move? Because I tried to use one but it would only allow me to mega evolve first and then use the Z move
Yes it's been confirmed that Rayquaza can't use a Z-move and mega evolve, it's either one option or the other.
 
#14
Yes it's been confirmed that Rayquaza can't use a Z-move and mega evolve, it's either one option or the other.
True, but doesn't the Z-move take priority? By which I mean that having a Z-Crystal disables the Mega Evolution button, rather than Dragon Ascent disabling the Z-move button. Even if you've used your Z-move.
 
#19
How useful is Solgaleo looking as an answer to Xerneas?

Also, has anyone had much luck using Zygarde?
It's a good Xern check, but it's weak to P-Don in a game when P-Don is on 90+% of teams.

I guess it could work on a hyperoffense team that wants to overload P-Don and then sweep.

Or you could use it as a P-Don lure.
 
#21
How relevant is it to run Sleep Talk on Choiced Ho-Oh and Xern now? With Darkrai's demise in the generation change, is it as necessary to have sleep fodder on every team? I know that Hypnosis Gengar is a Thing, but would Gengar realistically be going for Hypnosis on a Scarf/Specs Xern? Ho-Oh, maybe, but there's still a large chance to miss and then get blown back by CB BB/SF/EQ.
 
#22
Primal Groudon still checks/counter many pokemon in the metagame. One among them being Xerneas which is greater than it was ever before with the Z-Geomancy-Geomancy Combo. Primal Kyogre might also have more usage which in turn, makes having Primal Groudon seem more crucial. For the above reasons, i still believe Primal Groudon will be almost a staple in every SM Ubers team.
Is there any new gen 7 monso that look like they can give Primal Groudon a hard time? From what I've been seeing it mainly looks like Solgaleo out of all mons and maybe Zygarde 100%.
 
#23
What's everyone's opinion on Jolly vs Adamant on Solgaleo? I know the speed tier of the meta is generally slow and Adamant gives it a pretty sizable power boost, but I still like the idea of Jolly outpacing any form of the Primals as well as max speed Rayquaza before it can V-Create you.
 

Ropalme1914

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#24
Ok, another thing: I've saw some talking about Sunsteel Strike and Moongeist Beam not being able to break Shadow Shield, and Full Metal Body not being affected by Mold Breaker. Is that true? I still do not have the games, so I can't test myself. I know that this is not true on Showdown.
 

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