No Kartana rise? FeelsBadMan
Talon isn't really something I have an opinion on, so I agree with both parties on this one.
Speaking of C- Fire types, there is one I have noticed that baffles me as to it's low placing, that being Victini:
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C- --> C+
I don't really see why the low ranking, especially considering crap like Whimsicott and Torkoal are considered OK there. This thing has enough coverage to feed Africa (everything from the signatures of Zekrom and Reshiram to U-turn to... Glaciate, for some reason), and having all of that alongside decent support like Trick, Dual Screens and Will-o-wisp is pretty good in my book. Victory Star is also slightly underappreciated, as some of it's more inaccurate moves (like V-create and Focus Blast) become slightly more reliable. Oh yeah, and did I mention that this thing has the title as TECHNICALLY the strongest Z-move in the game in Z V-create? I know it's not doing much with that, but it's still worth noting.
I understand that Gren, it's knock on good hazard control and the rise in Tyranitar do it no favors (as well as it's 100 a piece stat structure not being that amazing atm or anything), but even then C- seems a little cruel. Anyone else agree to a rise? Or should we wait for a bit? I'd like to hear thoughts!
EDIT: Oh yeah it gets taunt.
You've touched on a lot of what Victini does, but haven't actually talked about how it does in the current meta. As much as I love Victini, its typing is
super inconvenient in the current meta. As you said, it has no way of easily circumventing its hazards weakness due to the shitty supply of hazard removers, and flat out loses to huge metagame threats in the Greninjas, Dugtrio, Lando-T, Heatran, and the increasingly popular Tyranitar. It also can't even make use of the status moves you referenced bar Trick, since it's way too reliant on either Choice Band or Choice Specs to do damage, which doesn't give it the option or room in its set to run dual screens or Will-O-Wisp, which are wastes on Victini anyway. It also hates V-Create sometimes in that it usually can only use the move once before switching out (Z-V-Create is a way to circumvent this but gives Victini's other attacks poor power, which is why it isn't good) due to the drop in defenses and Speed, which put its otherwise good bulk and speed to such a huge waste. Overall, Victini's only niche is V-Create, which still isn't all too great given the moves drawbacks, a shitty typing, and the fact that its good bulk and speed are immediately offset by the drops they'll suffer after using V-Create. I think that while justifiable on some archetypes, overall Vic doesn't have a niche that's appreciated enough to justify placement in C.
While I'm here, I'd like to go ahead and go over some noms of my own that I think could use some discussion (other noms have been covered pretty well so far):
Alolan Marowak down to B+ Alolawak is such a mixed bag for me. On one hand, it has all the tools necessary to check a lot of really prominent threats, most notably Tapu Koko, but also Heatran, Mega Scizor, Magearna, Volcarona, and a few otherwise really bothersome defensive mons, like Mew, Tangrowth and Ferrothorn. On the other hand, however, it loses to a lot of really prevalent things, like Lando-T, Keldeo, Ash Greninja, Gengar, Garchomp, and any offensive water really. It's also struggling in a metagame without sufficient means of hazard control, since Mega Metagross can actually break past it from full with rocks down, while other Pokemon that it'd otherwise narrowly defeat can do this as well, like Volcarona with boosted HP Ground. A weakness to the increasingly prevalent Tyranitar is also grounds for concern, while its double-edged sword of a typing also leaves it weak to Rock- and Ground-type revenge killers that seem to be increasing in prevalence as well. Overall, Alolan Marowak just feels like a Pokemon that has a lot of flaws that given the meta's current trends, seem to hurt it when it attempts accomplishing its role as a check to various threats, and in my eyes these flaws are grounds for a drop to B+, though it still is a fantastic check to what it aims to check without Stealth Rock down.
Terrakion up to A- I really like Terrakion right now. It has an amazing offensive typing that covers most of the metagame, and sits at a really convenient Speed tier for revenging a lot of really threatening sweepers at +1. Volcarona continues to grow in popularity, while Salamence, Gyarados, Mega Charizard X, and +1 Mega Sharpedo can also all be really important Pokemon to quickly dispose of. Even without these threats on the opposing team, Terrakion can still provide for your team as a super solid revenge killer of unboosted threats thanks to its excellent STAB coverage, and even as a late-game cleaner since there isn't often a ton of struggle in removing the Pokemon that need to be removed for Terrak to clean up. Overall, Terrakion's just a really consistent revenge killer in the current meta, and in my eyes is a little better in its role than a similar Pokemon in Nihilego, which should be reflected with a rise to A-.
Slowbro up to B I'm fairly sure that this was said to have a chance to rise again as soon as it dropped, and with Pheromosa gone, it definitely should. Slowbro's typing allows it to function as an extremely sturdy check to Mega Metagross, Mega Medicham, and Mega Mawile, which are all extremely potent threats in the current meta. It's also got a lot of potential as a check to non-Dark Pulse Greninja, and has a lot of utility moves to abuse while checking the aforementioned threats, meaning it'll always find a way to positively provide for your team. Right now I really just feel like Slowbro has what it takes over the many other bulky Water-types in its rank to rise, and has also benefitted from the increased viability of bulky Psychics.
Torkoal unranked This has been brought up a few times, and I agree with every suggestion that's been made to unrank Torkoal. It really can't consistently provide for your team with its poor typing and shitty speed tier, especially in a metagame without good hazard control. Sun in itself isn't even a good play style, as any abuser of sun will do just fine without actual weather support unless against rain, which is increasingly less prevalent. To me, Torkoal just feels like such a hard Pokemon to justify using due to how overwhelmed it can get in trying to accomplish everything it wants to, and ultimately just stacks undesirable weaknesses onto teams. Not sure that its niche is nearly as valuable as those of Whimsicott, Mandibuzz, or Espeon either, and those all feel like borderline viable Pokemon anyway.
Thanks for reading if you made it this far! I hope you enjoyed, let me know what you guys think.