NOC Small Street Game Thread - Ended- TOWN wins!

[CsYager]

dont act like the no lynch wasn't your fault when you told hal to gladiate lmao.

I went back and looked, and actually apricity started it. Read my quote post above. He just asked if he should gladiate the situation (right when samoyed bus had 3 people, and DS had like 5)

 

[CsYager]

oh someone did ask lol nvm

MoodyCloud, You can't have seriously missed this:

Hannah's voyuer on DS means nothing, i asked dusk "2. can you confirm that if DS used 1-shot governor on himself on night 2, then that would count as him being visited by a protective action for the purposes of voyuer" and his response was yes.

when you posted this 13 minutes later (4 posts later):

Duskfall98 is governor considered a protective action ?

and then on the next page:

how did no one bother asking the host whether governor could show up on the radar as a bpv action

Read the thread more carefully before you post.

 

[Hannahh]

then either DS. is scum, or you are lying. therefore why aren't you voting DS.?

Sorry I've been working on a project all night and whenever I tried to tab away my partner was near so I had to tab back to the project lol. I was also waiting on confirmation from Tommy myself before I voted. (I tried to quote this like 5 hours ago but rip)

 

[M2H]

Sorry I've been working on a project all night and whenever I tried to tab away my partner was near so I had to tab back to the project lol. I was also waiting on confirmation from Tommy myself before I voted. (I tried to quote this like 5 hours ago but rip)

its okay. have you gotten any confirmation?

 

[Hannahh]

Uh when is dl? I'm going to finish my presentation first but no he hasn't responded yet.

 

[M2H]

dl is april 30 at 7 pm est

 

[Samoyed]

Oh so you agree that youre scum

stop it

 

[CsYager]

Sorry, I was typing out my response to MoodyCloud's analysis, but i got interrupted for a few hours.

 

[CsYager]

MoodyCloud, MewtwoHidden, and everyone else who asked me to defend myself:

I do not really see how anyone can read the pages where I case DS a dozen times over and debunk his bs and come out thinking "stop harassing this poor townie"

After isoing cs I found that he had claimed to believe that DS/former was TvS around mid-day1
My first instinct would be to take this as unlikely to come from DS' teammate since he'd be implicating him rather heavily for seemingly no benefit
But then it has seemed like that implication had disappeared altogether when DS/former were locked in a 1v1 on day 2
And csyager was defending DS instead of pushing him after FH had flipped town, leading me to question whether his stated d1 read was really something he had believed in

I could go on and add his overall passivity, defensiveness and weird tone but I think there's already more than enough to warant him being in the poe

My response to each point

okay quick case :
he has displayed an unreasonable amount of defensiveness when being called out as not doing much in the way of scumhunting, as well as when ds was being pushed

I do not remember being unreasonably defensive, can you tell me what exactly was too defensive?

I do not really see how anyone can read the pages where I case DS a dozen times over and debunk his bs and come out thinking "stop harassing this poor townie"

Every case you had for DS contained me, so I wasn't thinking "poor townie" I was thinking "This is wrong because it contains me", as I said in this quote:

MoodyCloud, The reason I did not comment on your analyses, or 'ignored' them, is because
1.) Most of them are way above my head, and would take too much time to figure out what you are talking about for it to be worth it during finals week, and
2.) Most of them assume that I am mafia, meaning I can not go along with them. If I'm town then I know they are wrong, and if I'm mafia then I don't want to go along with them.
It was extremely blind of you to call me out on 'ignoring' your analyses when it was impossible for me to acknowledge them in a helpful way.

In fact, that makes me the only person who could read your stuff on DS and 100% not believe it, if I am town. I can have 100% certainty that it is partially wrong.

After isoing cs I found that he had claimed to believe that DS/former was TvS around mid-day1
My first instinct would be to take this as unlikely to come from DS' teammate since he'd be implicating him rather heavily for seemingly no benefit

The claim you are referring to was my first ever claim, in my first online game of mafia, as I have addressed several times:

5 quotes by me

Guys, I know my post earlier sounded particularly bad for a lot of reasons, but it was pretty much my first real vote, and I was too busy to explain myself very well. I would like you to know that it was a really badly formatted analysis where I was trying to start a discussion, not me trying to divert the attention toward DS. and Former Hope. I know that's not proof, but I needed to at least do something to defend my case.

I mean, I was announced public vanilla role at the very beginning, and I just made 1 really bad post that made people suspicious. That’s why they are calling me a noob town, because its my first game and I did a bad job on my first real accusation post. You will find nothing of mine suspicious besides that

That was a post from early D1 that i was quoting. It was my first real read, and I didn't know what I was doing very well. This is my first game.

Nothing I have done since that first real post I did on day 1 has been suspicious in any way, I have been extremely pro-town, and people were only on my case because of that first post, but that first post was because this is my first game. I'm new. MoodyCloud, you came in after that stuff happened, and it seems like your only reason to be on my case is that a few town people were on my case for a few hours at the beginning of the game.

I have said many times, I can quote them if you need me to, that that post was my first real read post, and this is my first game. I just did a bad job with that post, and have since done nothing that anyone but you finds suspicious. All of the suspicions that have ever been on me come from that post.

But then it has seemed like that implication had disappeared altogether when DS/former were locked in a 1v1 on day 2

It did disappear. As I played the game more, I got to know how people played and how things worked a little better, and re-evaluated my claim over time.

And csyager was defending DS instead of pushing him after FH had flipped town, leading me to question whether his stated d1 read was really something he had believed in

By that point I began to feel like I understood DS better, but Former was still extremely suspicious to me, so I decided to go after Former. By the time he flipped town, I didn't really suspect DS anymore. I didn't suspect former that much either, but he was really the only suspicion I had since I was focused on the two of them for so long that I payed little attention to anyone else.

I could go on and add his overall passivity

I'm not passive, I just didn't suspect you or DS. It was hard to develop reads on anyone else, because they were hidden within way to many pages of DS and you/former arguing with people.

-- side note, irl I'm very passive about physical conflicts and arguments between others, but very persistent and stubborn in arguments towards me.

defensiveness

I feel like defense is warranted, so I'm not sure what level of defending myself is 'too much' to you.

If I am town, shouldn't I do anything I can to convince you that I am not town, and someone else is?

and weird tone

What weird tone?

Tone is something I have had trouble conveying irl, and it's probably worse in writing, but I have no clue what's off about my tone. I don't see it.

I think there's already more than enough to warant him being in the poe

Let the reader now decide their sentence.

If anyone wants to bother reading my defense, please do. I think it will help you understand my position a little better.

 

[CsYager]

Also, I have tried to make useful contributions when I'm here, you just always thought they were wrong or unimportant.

Here is a list of contributions I have made to solving since Thursday:

My list of contributions

I still think MoodyCloud is town. MoodyCloud has a very similar thought process to MewtwoHidden, but he is just more confident and aggressive, whereas MewtwoHidden is more laid back. I feel much more confident in voting someone relatively inactive, as we all agree that's where most of the scum are, and Nuxl is the only one who hasn't claimed.

Also, I haven't really been siding with DS., its just that I think she's town, and you don't. That creates a paradigm which I never asked to be a part of.

I have always disagreed with MewtwoHidden (and MoodyCloud) on this strategy. If someone knows they are not scum, then town has a 0% chance of getting scum by lynching them, so they have a 100% chance of being in a worse situation by doing so.

Therefore, you should always fight for yourself to not be lynched, because it is extremely in town's favor for a town to not get lynched. Defending your position can not be alignment indicative alone, it is the manor in which you defend yourself that hints at your position as town or scum.

A town should never give up and let themselves be lynched if there is any chance of them not being lynched, and obviously DS. Has a chance of that. She should write her 'will' so to say only when it is evident that she will not survive.

I want to make a case for Nuxl, but the big argument still stands in the way that he's not here to defend himself, so i don't think anyone else will be voting Nuxl today... I may have to switch to samoyed on this one, I haven't decided yet.

The point is supposed to be that hannahh doesn’t know yet, but she will know tonight whether DS. has a vest or not, so we sould wait until tomorrow to see whether she did or not. this also means we don’t have to lynch her to find out if she has the vest or not, and she can’t claim to have it when she doesnt.

So if we don’t lynch her today, she can’t go on saying that it’s been used on her.

MewtwoHidden, what this means is that if tonight hannahh sees ‘protective’, then we know that DS used the vest. If not, then we know that she didn’t use the vest.

That’s important because you were afraid of a situation where she could just keep claiming each day that she used a vest.

Though, it’s assuming that a mafia ‘bulletproof’ wouldn’t show up on her target. I don’t think it will, because hannahh’s ability shows the target’s actions, not the effects on the target

No one else is voting me. It is a good point though that mafia may just kill hannahh and her efforts would be in vain.

I don’t like to lynch apricity either, but its a horrible idea to lynch DS, and I have less to read apricity off of than I do DS, so I am more confident in DS being town than apricity. Sorry man.

vote apricity

So is apricity automatically voting for DS by doing that then, or does he have to also say his vote? Also, deadline is now going to be in 23 hours and 30 minutes from now, right?

How come you were entirely silent until apricity used gladiator, and suddenly you are the very next post?

Honestly if we knew they were both town, then causing a tie to make no lynch happen would be the best case scenario. This gladiator situation is extremely unfortunate if that’s the case.

Former Hope lied about being faith healer, but he was town.

Unless people somehow decided to finally participate if DS is dead, but I doubt that will happen. That’s why this gladiator situation is so bad for town regardless of the outcome.

You guys should put your votes back in as well so we all know where we stand

Basically summed up in the whole 'self preservation as town means I prevent a mislynch' vs 'self preservation is only done by mafia' thing, and Moody being confident, analytic, and aggressive vs DS being defensive, feeling, and aggressive

I don't suspect Hal or Moody because I feel like I understand them. I do suspect Jalmont, and I don't suspect jordan.

Samoyed I suspect because, well, same reasons as everyone else has since d1 I guess
I suspected Nuxl, but I have a chance to reassess that read now that his slot has been reassigned to Josh
tonithetourguide I haven't heard from him very much, so he's just process of elimination from trusting other people
Jalmont I feel like he is riding off of Moody's aggressiveness, and he doesn't feel like I can trust him (also havent heard much from him)
Drookez I just don't understand, making him an easy target for process of elimination.

I need to go back and assess those people based on roles, but I have not had time to do that yet. Maybe tomorrow?

May I redirect the question back to you?

I went back and looked, and actually apricity started it. Read my quote post above. He just asked if he should gladiate the situation (right when samoyed bus had 3 people, and DS had like 5)

That seems to be the opposite of what everyone else is claiming. Why would you find me town?

Josh, what makes you more confident that DS is scum over apricity?

I haven't posted anything useful today because of church and studying (I wasn't on today until now).

 

[jalmont]

maybe its 3 player and moody is bussing ds

nah. that's so many wasted points.

i dunno i guess jordan is mafia here too? i get why hes not posting but it's like. it's not that bad...at least in my humble opinion...

i could see a josh bus but i dunno. i feel like im running into too many towns.

personally i think we should wrap this day up. using your self governor on yourself is not a town play end of story. as if it was in doubt before.

 

[M2H]

CsYager

Moody's lynch pool is DS. -> You -> Jordan -> Josh -> Samo

My lynch pool is DS -> Samo -> Jordan = Josh -> You

Hannah fits in somewhere, but is probably town at this point.

For your survival, you need to explain why you shouldn't be lynched after DS., and why any of xnadrojx (jordan), josh, samoyed, drookez, hannahh, etc. should be lynched before you.

If you are town, which only you would know for sure--it's anti-town and hurts our chances for victory if you don't help us hunt scum. I understand that you have finals right now, but try to take 30 mins-1 hour in the next few days and make an active case for yourself and against somebody that you think is scum.

 

[M2H]

personally i think we should wrap this day up. using your self governor on yourself is not a town play end of story. as if it was in doubt before.

tbh if I'm town and I think I'm getting lynched, then I'm using my gov shot on the basis that a no lynch is better than a mislynch. I don't think its inherently anti-town to self governor.

 

[DS.]

tbh if I'm town and I think I'm getting lynched, then I'm using my gov shot on the basis that a no lynch is better than a mislynch. I don't think its inherently anti-town to self governor.

Thank you

 

[M2H]

Thank you

However, at least one of Hannah/you are mechanically confirmed scum, unless DF made a mistake. I think Hannah should be trusted to a greater extent, and that's why I'm lynching you.

 

[DS.]

However, at least one of Hannah/you are mechanically confirmed scum, unless DF made a mistake. I think Hannah should be trusted to a greater extent, and that's why I'm lynching you.

You've been mislynching people all game so this isn't a change of pace for you

 

[M2H]

You've been mislynching people all game so this isn't a change of pace for you

You can give me all the sass you want lmao.

 

[Samoyed]

You've been mislynching people all game so this isn't a change of pace for you

bless your heart

 

[DS.]

You can give me all the sass you want lmao.

Towns p much fucked at this point so after two days of this shit I'm over it. Gg scum

 

[jalmont]

tbh if I'm town and I think I'm getting lynched, then I'm using my gov shot on the basis that a no lynch is better than a mislynch. I don't think its inherently anti-town to self governor.

Yeah but you’d probably be making more of an effort to not get mislynched by not spouting the same baseless nonsense over and over.

 

[jalmont]

Ok josh Is prob mafia here to why would u track the priest role there’s legit 0 reason for the mafia to ever pick that lol

 

[M2H]

Ok josh Is prob mafia here to why would u track the priest role there’s legit 0 reason for the mafia to ever pick that lol

bc priest could be in charge of doing the mafia's kill maybe? idk just trying to find a reason.

 

[DS.]

Yeah but you’d probably be making more of an effort to not get mislynched by not spouting the same baseless nonsense over and over.

What do you want from me? You're all already decided, I've given reasons why I think the people I think is scum are scum and the one person who should be able to clear me either got a fucked up pm or is lying scum.

This game is frustrating af I've been fighting for my life all game but scum is overrunning me

 

[DS.]

Ok josh Is prob mafia here to why would u track the priest role there’s legit 0 reason for the mafia to ever pick that lol

You're right that is a really weird pick, I called it out at SOD

 

[apricity]

can't imagine DS in their scumchat right now

"Ok guys looks like I'm getting lynched today, my job here is done."
"But DS, all you did was get caught by two of the better players on the site day 1 and then bitch and obvscum so much in thread that the game hit 175 pages?"
"cape noises"