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NOC Smallstreet Mafia v2 Won by the Mafia (Clouds, Ehmcee, Dead By Daylight, Duskfall98)

Why are you listing Lechen and Saber as town? I understand you think the DV is town. I disagree that Saber is town for his claim and I think his play is not good this game.

But you also list Lechen as town here. Id just list their claims, why call them town? If we want to look at a list of claims we shouldnt just pencil everyone in as town.
Currently this is based off reads on my end, the fact that I received a BPV means that (most likely by a large margin) mafia recruited or (much less likely) they went for 3 power roles in DV, RS and something else. The latter option doesn't make sense considering that they gave me a BPV. I am also townreading Lechen currently which is why I called them town, but I'll admit that's my opinion on Lechen.
 
I really don't see mafia taking 3 people man, surely they've recruited considering Vengeful was taken
Well Ive come to terms with the realization that people wont vote Saber today.

By the way, I think mafia always gives you a BPV here or you fakeclaim it. Im not thinking too much about the possibility of you being BP in terms of credit counts. I think mafia may be doing something wonky with credits just to prevent solving via setup spec. Its wifom ofc and I do need to base credit spending theories in reality rather than handwaving away implications of you getting a BPV.

Presuming you ARE town, then mafia have 95 known credits. DV and Restless adds up to 80. They spend maybe 5 more on literally who cares and run with a surplus
 
Ugh if I don't babysit the thread and force good votes down people's throats, they will always mislynch town. FIRSTLY, I owe an apology to m2h. I should have showed up and engaged with you before deadline yesterday. I was doing something from 3PM onwards which made it difficult for me to be on (that is only weekends, so in general I will be on at deadline). But I have nothing but regrets for letting M2H get wagoned without my input. I don't regret my vote on DBD and I still think its a good vote.


Skippergamez's application to the North Atlantic Townblock Organization has been ACCEPTED. Congratulations Skipper. Any vote on Skipper will trigger an article 5 response. Current NATO members include:
AP, Alice, Skippergamez, Lechen

Founding members of NATO, our first order of business is to vote on whether or not to add StupidFlandrs48 to the Townblock. Please Aye or Nay, and keep in mind he must be 85% town to you for you to vote him in.

Lets talk about who is scum this game:
Duskfall98
If you think Duskfall98 is playing to a town wincon this game, think again. Whenever I am away from this game, contemplating it, and I happen to think about his collective body of work in the thread, I cant help but literally laugh out loud. To be entirely honest, he's been limping around the thread hemorraging scumtells ever since I called him out on his opening post on trying to fabricate counterfeit towncred. His posts are equal parts of the following: wifoming, clowning, fluffing, and paperthin scumhunting attempts. There is a very obvious reason for this: he has the word MAFIA in his role pm, likely bolded and red.

Sadly Duskfall's interactions with M2H looked "good" for him but do NOT be fooled. This was just him getting more comfortable in the thread because I had left. M2H again its 100% my fault for not being here to talk to you, but you gotta shoot DBD or Tommy every time there. If Tommy wants to ride or die on his misread of you, he gets shot. Now we're left in a world where he as mafia pretty much never gets lynched and cleanly coasts to endgame on his weird interaction with you. DBD is who I would have preferred shot because hes scummy and getting wagoned and even if he were town, which he probably is not, hes going to be a distraction down the line. IDK The Apricity shot was OK and tbqh I GET it. I too am annoyed that apricity decided to just not play the game despite the fact there were subs on the line. Ok maybe hes playing for a day two turnabout, or trying to feign a PR? IDK but it was annoying that a good player was just actively not playing the game.
Honestly though M2H should have been completely untouchable after his vengeful claim. He should have been unvoted IMMEDIATELY because of his claim. This is also why DBD was a good vote because we ended up voting off a role which is town 9 times out of 10 easily. Duskfall's comment that this role should be voted was well beyond incorrect. Why would I ever vote a role which mafia is unlikely to pick? Jalmont actually ruled pre-game that the venge-kill activates if the vengeful is NK'd. Personally not how I would mod it, but regardless, this is yet another reason to never EVER vote off the vengeful here. AGAIN, anyone who thinks Duskfall98 is playing to a town wincon is kidding themselves.

DBD
Not voting DBD yesterday will go down as one of the town errors of all time. The counterwagon was sus as hell, led by """townaligned""" individuals.

StupidFlandrs48
Bro, PLEASE work with me if you are in fact town here. To be perfectly honest, I think one of my big hangups with you is that I townread you when I read ToS and that ended up being wrong. I did in the very late game ToS realize that actually you could be mafia. My point is, my town game, sadly and no matter how much copium I huff, is mid-elo. My scumgame is actually insane. I have a healthy respect for your scumgame after seeing you in ToS. No I don't actually believe you are playing to what I saw of your scummeta and I don't like meta reads anyways. My point is that you are someone I will have a hard time trusting. All that schizo rant aside, nearly all of Flandrs posts do make me think he is playing to a town wincon. The way he reacted to my accusation that he was insistent on misvoting felt like he was genuinely hurt. His post saying he hates playing scum makes me a bit I do think Flandrs is town, I just wish he was town enough to be admitted to NATO.

Skippergamez
I did like Skipper's post which I read over the night phase. I am inclined to think Skipper is town this game. Also willing to sheep M2H on this read.

Ehmcee
Need more from Ehmcee today. The "townslip" post is getting stale and I can't remember anything he said yesterday other than he's a D1 pacifist (boo hiss). I am still inclined to think Ehmcee is town, but I'm downgrading this to a mehtown until Ehmcee actually engages with the town.
Pulsar
I do still think Pulsar is town here. You could call this one a gut read but I think she is just playing town who is having fun and not trying to hard to read people, but does still produce good content time to time which does not feel forced. So I like Pulsar this game, but I am downgrading a little bit because IDK. Some people do think Pulsar is scummy this game and its possible I'm putting to much faith in a gut read. I don't think I am, but I will concede I'm not totally sure here.

Saberslasher
Lurkscum. Very valid lynch today.

Electricity Cat
The guy likes his watermelons, what can I say. In the "maybe" townpile for now. Definitely not lynchable today.

NightEmerald
Ok so there is nothing concrete that makes me think he is scum. His posts do seem fairly carefree so far and he is providing content and offering links to games of his relevant meta. However, I don't think its a coincidence that me, M2H, and HH all independently got some gut read on NE. I'm listing NE as null for now but a little on the sus side.
ImaginaryNeon
NULL. I really don't know. He voted M2H over DBD which is a strike.

Clouds
Still likely town. I do have some small suspicions on Clouds. I'm sure he'll insist his DBD read is more nuanced, but he did kind of say "Its too scummy to be scum" which like come on. If you are town don't fall in that trap. IMO DBD is mafia. The M2H lynch actively hurt from a massclaim/solve PoV because Vengeful is a role that is nearly always town and still gets its vig when NK'd. I know you weren't online to see all this happen. I think Duskfall is playing like obvscum this game and I do somewhat worry about his interactions with you. The voices in my head want to interpret your interactions as like "ok we need to get the initial theater over with then get on to townreading each other" you know what I mean? But I am basing that on Duskfall being scum which it seems me and maybe Alice are the only ones who seem to be entertaining that opinion.

Best Lynches Today:
DBD, Duskfall98, Saberslasher

Acceptable Lynches Today:
NightEmerald, Neon

Welcome To NATO:
Lechen, Alice, Skippergamez

NATO vassal states:
Clouds, ElectricityCat

Please Consider Applying For Townblock Membership!
Ehmcee, Flandrs, Pulsar
i agree with most of this post. the nato thing is very funny. i think you're overtownreading clouds though, i put him as a slight scumlean bc i dont see why maf doesnt kill him
 
Come to think of it I haven't made a full readlist this game, that's quite out of character for me, I'll fix it now.

TOWN
me :3
saberslasher11
Alice Kazumi
AngryPidgeon (before wallpost)
Clouds
Ehmcee
skippergamez
MIDDLE OF THE ROAD
Lechen
AngryPidgeon (after wallpost)
--"Submissive and lynchable" territory--
ElectricityCat
pulsar512b
Dead by Daylight
Duskfall98
SCUM


NEON'S POCKET DIMENSION

ImaginaryNeon
flandrs why the fuck did u put submissive and lynchable in this subforum
 
pulsar512b StupidFlandrs48 what do you currently think about each other?

The pulsar/flandrs interactions D1 are something I may revisit when I have time.
Still sus for the same reasons as D1 but I haven’t paid much attention in light of stronger D2 scumreads like Tommy and Lechen. I’d be open to the idea that she’s been away from the thread on purpose to make sure that happened tbh, but not my first vote choice. More like fourth.

Still catching up
 
i apologize if dbd winds up being mafia because then i'd be the one int'ing, and that'd mean i teed up a counterwagon that mafia got to leverage while i was afk for the day... which would suck. i can't pretend i'm not afraid that's a possibility, but i'm also not one to not be vocal in what i believe in, so i'll stick to my guns for now. i'm not going to shutter off the vote completely, if there's a strong overwhelming sentiment that we should go through with it, sure. for now i think we have some tastier votes on the table, like dusk and potentially neon

there are other candidates i'd consider here, like pulsar, but i have a problem with dusk & pulsar's svs equity because: i think it's unlikely that pulsar, if partnered with dusk, would tell M2H directly that they're throwing if they use vengeful on him. i mean, it's possible, but that is so bold because if M2H just ignored them and shot her partner, then she pretty much ties him to her and makes herself destined to be a vote afterwards

Duskfall98 let's chat when you're around pal, if you're town then i want to get to you
friendly reminder i use she/her (i understand using they/them here was prob just forgetting my pronouns but i would strongly prefer she/her)
 
i also reread that town of salem themed game overnight that you guys played here, since some of the players here were on the mafia team there

flandrs was actually pretty different in that game than here but not sure if that was chalked up to relative inactivity there or something. pulsar it was harder to spot differences for, neon is neon, i'm definitely leaving someone out of this but clearly there wasn't anything else alarming enough then

do any of you guys play town of salem 2? if so i'd be down to run up games sometime in the future. i played multiple ranked seasons of the original and was pretty involved in the community for a while, been trying out 2 more recently to see if it'll grow on me more
also interested
 
yeah honestly hydro feels like a weird person to die which is kind of why i think tommy and you are more scummy bc you would make more sense to die. but you were a rock in the terms of inactive rather than a rock in like stable foundational member vibes. so tommy makes sense as a vote + other reasons u highlighted
vote duskfallnumbers
Clouds Btw when I talked about people seeing you/me/duskfall as a block, this is exactly what I mean. Pulsar didnt mention me here, but she sees you and Dusk as a group or division within the game.
 
Quick updates:

If Clouds is mafia then hes very good at it imo. This read is just based on his progression and tone. He has the right mix of paranoia, analysis, and good interactions with people.

Ehmcee Feels good to me too.

Townblock, no order:
Lechen, Alice, Clouds, Ehmcee, Skipper, ElectricityCat

Townblock application rejected:
StupidFlandrs

I need to do homework on these people:
Pulsar, Neon, Saber, NightEmerald

StupidFlandrs48 would you say you are enjoying the game so far?
Very much so! The M2H affair was sad due to how much I respect them as a person and player, but I don’t regret how I handled it from the “in the moment” POV. I’ve missed Smogon NOC play, Mafiascum can’t fully fill the void since it’s a different community.
 
Vote Lechen
Self voting because I messed up with the claim (thought I could self target) and universal backup will get my role while mafia can't just kill someone random this night with a worse role and rb me tn. Of course, there is the possibility of universal backup being scum but I don't really think so because odd night tracker should be better imo
backup has already gotten a role unfort (commuter)
 
i see clouds and dusk as a bloc only for the purposes of ppl scum would want to kill
Thats fine. Clouds talked earlier today about expecting one of me/him/dusk to be NKd. I think Dusk doesnt NK me or Clouds ever in a S/T/T scenario precisely because it makes people wifom about why Dusk didnt die over Clouds, for instance.

I think he always shoots outside of me/clouds in that case. HH was a midground kill which doesnt really give away much.
 
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