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NOC Smallstreet Mafia v2 Won by the Mafia (Clouds, Ehmcee, Dead By Daylight, Duskfall98)

I feel like this post is something I'd make as town in the face of a wagon, especially the last comment lol. I like it in general.

Maybe it's bc I don't remember a time when M2H was seriously wagoned, but I've never seen their posting reach the level of vindictive thunderdoming before, and I think Tommy comes off looking a lot better from the last couple pages. Vengeful claim is... fine in a vacuum I guess? But with all the talk about people thinking mafia recruited and bought cheap roles, it feels like scum!M2H would be a lot more comfortable claiming in this thread environment, so I still think they're scum due to that + the other stuff. The issue is I'm not really sure a vengeful claim is a good vote on D1, I think NE's point about N1 results being informative is quite a good one. Also town!M2H choosing a shitty, emotionally influenced shot target is a very real risk here. I'm gonna go back to my safety vote.

Vote pulsar512b

It's not purely emotional. He has been pissing me off this game, but at the same time, Tommy is a very strong scum player that I can't read very well. As both alignments Tommy has had a 100% accuracy read on me until this point. I do TR Tommy and I don't want to shoot him really but if he is gonna tunnel me to death because I'm not in my town meta to him, well being wrong on my slot is not in his town meta either and I don't have a good read on him historically so it's safer to just shoot him and then hope town can pick up the pieces if we are both wrong.
 
Easy response to make up out of thin air tbh, especially given you've not had any prior read on skipper afair

Eh

I'm getting tired of the long drawn out analyses.

Time for the vibes list

M2H
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Lechen
AngryPidgeon
ElectricityCat
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Tommy
Clouds
Skipper
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DbD
Alice
Pulsar
ImaginaryNeon (solve through mech later)
Apricity
HH
NE (on the verge of dropping to a SL actually)
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Ehmcee
StupidFlandrs48
Saberslasher11

HH, Alice, Pulsar, and Skipper placements were very high level tbh, i kind of just placed them somewhere that felt vaguely right.
 
Ah yes, the readslist where you give the vaguest possible read on skipper and then make a point of downplaying its significance even more at the end. That toooooooooooooootally counts.
 
still dont agree with your reads but the m2h comment about mislynch bait combined with that post means that I'd rather just save you to be resolved later
Ok I’m sorry but just because I disagree with you means that I’m “someone who needs to be dealt with” like what that actual- am I a freaking rat to you?
 
Ah yes, the readslist where you give the vaguest possible read on skipper and then make a point of downplaying its significance even more at the end. That toooooooooooooootally counts.

Just go ahead and drop the vote on me if you are gonna shade my slot like this and flip flop. I'm not the only person playing differently this game. All of me, you, tommy, and apricity are playing different and its NOT for the better.
 
Just go ahead and drop the vote on me if you are gonna shade my slot like this and flip flop. I'm not the only person playing differently this game. All of me, you, tommy, and apricity are playing different and its NOT for the better.
??? Pretty sure you're alone on the opinions of tommy/myself, and shading our play like that in response to my read is just silly. And if you hadn't claimed yet I would absolutely have my ass parked on you right now, but I've never played an NOC with a vengeful before and basic mech analysis makes it feel like you're worth keeping around for at least a day as either alignment given that claim.
 
M2H you cannot reasonably say that was a read, that is closer to a random vote than a read

It's a legitimate reads list my dude. The fact that I said it was 'high-level' doesn't mean it was RVS. It was simply to say, "this is my vibe on the player from reading the thread but I'm not gonna write a paragraph to justify it."
 
??? Pretty sure you're alone on the opinions of tommy/myself, and shading our play like that in response to my read is just silly. And if you hadn't claimed yet I would absolutely have my ass parked on you right now, but I've never played an NOC with a vengeful before and basic mech analysis makes it feel like you're worth keeping around for at least a day as either alignment given that claim.

What do you mean by that?
 
Ok I’m sorry but just because I disagree with you means that I’m “someone who needs to be dealt with” like what that actual- am I a freaking rat to you?

when i say “save you to be resolved later” that doesn’t mean I want you dead, it means that I’m delaying judgement on whether you’re town or scum until the next day.
 
??? Pretty sure you're alone on the opinions of tommy/myself, and shading our play like that in response to my read is just silly. And if you hadn't claimed yet I would absolutely have my ass parked on you right now, but I've never played an NOC with a vengeful before and basic mech analysis makes it feel like you're worth keeping around for at least a day as either alignment given that claim.

Also you have been flipping back and forth between voting me and not voting me practically all day, and you're fence sitting right now -- that's what I'm pointing out as different. You seem indecisive and somewhat scared to me at this stage.
 
I'm not sure about a vote on M2H today given the role they claimed and how destructive they can be if they are town.

I feel like M2H and Duskfall are not aligned. If Duskfall is mafia I got the feeling that at least one of Skipper or Flandrs is one as well. In case of M2H flipping mafia NE is probably town.

At this point I think M2H is a more probable mafia member than Duskfall though. Hopefully they don't share alignment, that would be the worse case scenario. There were some comments in my conversation with M2H that made me suspicious. Especially 410, 411 and 413, I already called them out for that on 414.
 
What do you mean by that?
NE summed it up pretty well, but I think if we can choose when to trigger your KP then we should be more responsible to make sure we're getting enough info to use it well in the event that you're town.
Also you have been flipping back and forth between voting me and not voting me practically all day, and you're fence sitting right now -- that's what I'm pointing out as different. You seem indecisive and somewhat scared to me at this stage.
The earlier angleshooting about your activity is completely disconnected from the current discussion about your claim and the kind of content you're putting out; I don't want to probe too closely into meta changes based on real-life changes because that gets very speculative and very messy quickly. But to answer you more directly, yes, I am definitely indecisive and scared about you. Your claim, both the role itself and the timing, is hard to stomach, and I feel uncomfortable seeing a version of M2H that departs from the town-leading hypersolver I know and fell back on frequently in previous NOCs. Sue me.
 
Good morning all, I feel like we should just lynch dbd today. Unless mafia is in debt right now, they will have to pick vanilla unless they chose to get stuck w/priest or fruit vendor, both of which are worse than powerless, so I feel like DBD is a pretty safe vote and informative vote. Sorry friend
 
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