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Smogon Premier League VII - Week 9 (read post #313)

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ORAS NU: Jarii vs Cased


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Won vs Malekith in one of the easiest games i've ever played in my entire life.

Made a team in 5 minutes, At 5 am. But watch the replay, it looked pretty effortless to win the match.

About his team choice, I dont care what he uses as his 'meme' he wins, he can say ''I won with X Mon'' but if he loses he just has x mon as his excuse I don't give a fuck.

+Masterclass joined
+Masterclass: Malekith
+Masterclass: wanna play now big boy
+Vileman: oh man
+EG Posho: omgggg
+PokeManiac Livio: OHOHOHOHOHHO
+PokeManiac Livio: MASTER HOT
+EG Posho: marikiithha
+Masterclass: It's 5 am but i don't mind slapping your ass right here and now
+EG Posho: LOL
+ABR: play now
+Masterclass: u gonna pretend ur lil ass is afk now
%Malekith: Im not
+Masterclass: so much big talk for a john
+Calloflochie left
+Masterclass: Then fight me
+ABR: hey Malekith
+Masterclass: I didn't evne make a team
+ABR: hope u win man.
+Masterclass: You give me
+ABR: do it for the ruiners
+Masterclass: the word
+PokeManiac Livio: nojhons
+Masterclass: I will m ake one in literall
+Masterclass: 5 minutes.
+Masterclass: literally*
+Masterclass: and I will fight you
+Masterclass: that's how much of an advantage im giving you
+Masterclass: 5 minute team
+Masterclass: at 5 am
+Masterclass: and i will fucking destroy you
+Masterclass: and the thing is
+Masterclass: my team
+Masterclass: needs to win the week cause we have a chance of play offs
+Masterclass: your garbage ass
+Masterclass: and your garbage team
+Masterclass: are already out
+Masterclass: so you have nothing to lose unlike me
+Masterclass: and here i am calling you out.
%Malekith: :(
+EG Posho: humillao
%Malekith: ok make your team

Baited you little naive fuck. Now take your garbage ass, your garbage team (the Bigs) and get the fuck out of here, y'all out of spl anyway.
These games are a week ago for anyone who didnt enjoy this one:

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-134617
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-134619


against the same trashy player who can't beat me to save his life.
 
I always saw the use of meme teams as an opportunity to explore facets of this game that usually go unnoticed and to express your creativity as a teambuilder. like, when ben gay uses something like mawile it has a niche that no other mon can fill. sure, it's most likely a sub-optimal choice overall but it does something unique and he built a team you'll never get to see again, because he optimized his team to get the fullest potential out of that mawile. even boudouche's mono flying team had elements of trying to overload the opponent's tank chomp and then spam the best attacking type in oras ou. and he demonstrated that bird spam can beat a tank chomp, tyranitar, and skarmory all on the same team. we all learned at least something from that game.


with that in mind, it brings me a lot of pain to see a guy bring a mon that has no niche to a game that's so important for so many teams. malekith's not exploring anything, and he's not expressing shit. there's no upside to DPP pinsir when heracross exists. none. it's just a thinly veiled attempt to embarrass masterclass. I wonder how the tigers, raiders, and ruiners feel about this kind of a shitty throw
 
Honestly I said the exact same thing to BKC right after the game

+Masterclass: I know his team was bad
+Masterclass: when i saw pinsir
+Masterclass: but
+Masterclass: I hate what these bigs have been doing
+Masterclass: It's actually not fair
%BKC: its a very typical malekith thing to do
+Masterclass: for the other teams
%BKC: yeah i know lol
+Masterclass: like
+Masterclass: ruiners raiders
+Masterclass: tigers
+Masterclass: are depending on this series
+Masterclass: and they're just pissing about using stuff to look cool
+Masterclass: so that if they win ''Hey i won with a pinsir''
+Masterclass: and if he loses
+Masterclass: ''it's ok i used a pinsir''
%BKC: yeah i hate that shit
 
You can't honestly expect a team that is out to go full tryhard-mode just to help other teams. Their team is out. What incentive do they have to try to win besides potentially helping their friends on other teams? You can make arguments all you want about how they should try in order to protect the integrity of this game or whatever other nonsense you want to use in an attempt to victimize these players, but at the end of the day, the incentive most of these players have is almost nonexistent. This isn't some sport where a really good performance could earn you more money; we play this game solely for our entertainment, and once a team is out, many players use sub-par Pokemon or joke teams in order to get as much entertainment out of the season as they possibly can. Is this fair to the other teams? I would say it is. At the end of the day, it is that team's fault for putting itself in a position to where it needs other teams to win in order to reach the playoffs. Relying on players who may be unmotivated is just something those teams will have to deal with. Now, all people are different. Last year, the Tigers almost kept my team out of the playoffs and helped get the Scooters in during a similar situation; however, not all teams are going to act like that nor should they be expected to.

People on the Raiders, Tigers, and Ruiners may be salty, but they put themselves in this position. You can't criticize other players for not putting their best effort to win when winning most likely would give them a great deal less satisfaction than it would earlier in the season. If Malekith won with joke Pokemon, he would probably feel a higher sense of accomplishment than he would by just using a normal team; there is a higher ceiling in terms of enjoyment for him if he uses sub-par Pokemon, and the floor remains the same. So, why would he choose to use a real team? Some people may feel obligated to "protect the game's integrity," while others simply care about their record. That's fine, but you can't expect everyone to act this way. The people who choose to use joke teams shouldn't be harassed because they are allowed to do what they want to. It is not their fault that other teams are relying on them to win, so they shouldn't be lambasted for deciding to use a Pinsir in DPP OU.
 
At the end of the day there are two different ideologies as to how to approach the end of the season, I think both Shake and Stath are correct in a sense even if they support different things here. Stath's line of thought resonates with me more personally so I dropped a like, but different people gain different things from a team tournament like this, and that's completely fine. No two people are going to enjoy the same thing and it ain't a crime if they don't.
 
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most joke teams have at least something going for them. like, mono flying is probably not optimal, but it is viable. using something that's 100% outclassed by something else is much more disrespectful to everyone involved, in my opinion. I cant put explicitly into words just how or why, but it leaves an awful taste in my mouth. if you're going to use shitty memes for the sake of using shitty memes, you ought to get called out for it


edit: there's a big difference between not taking the time to prepare and purposely using things that are 100% outclassed by other mons. it doesn't take more than 5 minutes to build a team of 6 viable pokemon


also, there is precedent in this sort of thing. in the finals of smogon tour 19 (I think it was 19, whichever one marshall won), user: tml brought a joke team against me, nearly causing several people to lose their playoffs spots, and he got tour banned. not sure what the difference is between that scenario and this one
 
he's out already and he's free to do what he wants; it's not his problem that his loss hurts someone else's playoff chances, and it's honestly unfair to expect him to take time to prepare/try when it doesn't even benefit him. it's ridiculous that people are implying spectators/fringe teams are entitled to his putting in the work for no reason; we play for ourselves, not others.

edit: didn't see shake's post but yeah

edit2: @above well, along this line of thinking it's still unreasonable to expect him to use a viable team; he's just using what entertains him the most, as he should. I'm pretty sure tml was banned because there was reason to believe he was throwing specifically to help a friend (i.e. he had a clear motive). If so, the situations are incomparable and if not, the ban was clearly garbage.
 
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Yea I know I'm going to get a lot of shit for writing a long tryhard essay, but it's on the topic and I feel the need to say it.

I think that a lot of the above posters brought up some solid points and this is another chapter in the "integrity of the tournament" book that we will see grow each and every season when it comes to competing teams trying to rely upon eliminated teams to do some late season catching up for them. This happens every year come weeks 8 and 9 and it will continue to in future SPLs.

From an inside perspective of someone on the Bigs, I'd like to state that we are actually trying to win as a team this week. Yes, a lot of this has to do with the fact that people on my team happen to be friendly with guys on the Raiders (hell, we even have TDK and Sam in our channel right now), Tigers, and Ruiners and we want them to (have a chance to) make the playoffs. With that said, we still have to be realistic here. At the end of the day, we're a team that has been eliminated for a few weeks now and it seems unlikely that we will have a full line up dedicated to trying their absolute hardest to prepare and win a fairly meaningless pokemon game to them. Malekith, with all due respect, brought what he "wanted" to (because it was "fun" for him or because he likes Pinsir, I don't know but his reasoning is irrelevant) instead of what was "optimal" and he has the right to bring that and nobody can take that away from him.

Alternatively, I know many people on the Bigs' roster will be trying their best to win this week - I'm doing my normal tryhard shenanigans to prepare for Teddeh, Rozes is going out of his way to learn more about BW OU for Shoka, Bugzinator has had a target on Teal's back since midseason, d0nut and ZoroDark want to finish positive, etc... (I could go on from here, but you guys get it) The point is that we aren't just going to hand the Cryonicles a free win as a team, even if they're leading the series 2-0 now, but for the people who are not of the same level of motivation or with the same mindset and still in the line-up, they are entitled to use what they want regardless of the reasoning.

When it comes down to it, every team is in the position they are now because of what happened beforehand and although you can get as salty over this as you want to, you can't blame an eliminated team for not winning to save your ass when you needed them to because you couldn't do so yourselves (regardless of it being due to luck or not). I hope that all three teams that are sort of reliant upon the Bigs winning understand this and I hope that nobody comes out of this week with a negative view on the Bigs as a whole or any of my teammates because I don't think that would be very fair. With that said, good luck to the Cryonicles and all the other teams this week and hopefully there will be some close, competitive series where the most deserving team gets the fourth playoff spot.
 
as the assistant manager on the tigers, i don't mind what the bigs are doing. so long they bring teams that have a reasonable chance to win, i don't give a fuck (and let's face it, this is the smogon tournament community: EVERYONE is gonna make an effort to win regardless if they want to use a fun team or not).

i think the tigers have played well enough to be a playoff team this year, and i have a lot of faith in my team if we do make it in, but some awful luck in a couple of weeks mixed in with an untimely no-show week 5 vs. the cryonicles have more to do with our current predicament than Malekith using Pinsir.
 
Sapientia said:
-Tsunami- Tigers tied against your team in the week nine last year, so how did we almost keep your team out of play offs by throwing matches?
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uh i have no idea how u interpreted my post like that but if it wasnt clear, i was saying that your team didnt throw. i was using it as an example because it contrasts with the actions of the bigs so far o.o
 
sometimes when you don't bother you end up doing better. this might be one of these cases judging by the bigs record
 
Bad Ass my team is ready. Are you going to be a John or are you going to fight today
 
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