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az said:
it's not like it's a huge deal for mods to move threads, but since it keeps happening there is probably a reason why
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I don't think OI really want most of those more casual Pokémon threads (tier lists or what have you) that come out of Smogoff. I've found OI to be fairly structured, with plenty of active threads that encompass a lot of different topics already.
az said:
i was thinking at first that the name "orange islands" is just not immediately obvious as the "come here to talk about pokemon" catch-all, but now that i look at the forum index i'm thinking it's bc the subfora descriptions are now hidden behind hovering your mouse over the forum title
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I don't exactly remember how xf1 was, but this is how xf2 actually looks like completely unmodified for comparison:
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So we've already modified it quite a bit in terms of the space each forum category takes up. I believe the forum description is also listed once you click on the forum itself, so it's not like hovering is the only way you can view the forum description.
az said:
anw i don't know if displaying the descs next to the forum names (again? isn't this how it used to be? idk) is doable in this format, or if anyone else has noticed the same/similar issues, but i bet we can figure it out if so
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Seeing as we've already modified the base xf2 style quite a bit, It's probably doable from a technical standpoint. I do think we'll continue to have this sort of problem regardless, as it's often newer users who make these sort of mistakes and probably don't spend too much time looking in to what's allowed and what's not (see the OU and various analyses subforums). It's also not the biggest thing to have to deal with as a mod + it's not like it's a structural issue where even experienced users are confused.
 
Kalalokki said:
I don't think OI really want most of those more casual Pokémon threads (tier lists or what have you) that come out of Smogoff. I've found OI to be fairly structured, with plenty of active threads that encompass a lot of different topics already.
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it might not, although there is literally a subforum for tier lists in OI, albeit seemingly with a more "viability in-game" slant — if they're wanted anywhere (big if) it's OI. it's definitively not cong (forum req is specifically nothing pokemon)

structure in OI is a good thing, sure, but if there's no room for those threads there and they aren't wanted in smogoff, then maybe there's a gap in OI

this is part of the reason i made this a thread in is — this discussion spills out into more general subforum bracket stuff. smogoff is still a new sub but i feel like it has found its feet and i dont think its core is pokemon tier lists (they get locked, they're p much all the same, feel like spam, etc), where i know vF had concerns about cong being pigeon-holed as the Strict Discussion forum. to some extent this touches on revisiting how well the forums are going, their identities, etc

I don't exactly remember how xf1 was, but this is how xf2 actually looks like completely unmodified for comparison:
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So we've already modified it quite a bit in terms of the space each forum category takes up. I believe the forum description is also listed once you click on the forum itself, so it's not like hovering is the only way you can view the forum description.

Seeing as we've already modified the base xf2 style quite a bit, It's probably doable from a technical standpoint. I do think we'll continue to have this sort of problem regardless, as it's often newer users who make these sort of mistakes and probably don't spend too much time looking in to what's allowed and what's not (see the OU and various analyses subforums). It's also not the biggest thing to have to deal with as a mod + it's not like it's a structural issue where even experienced users are confused.
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that seems like good news, that we might be able to append the subforum descriptions upfront

i agree that it's mostly newer users that have just found their way to the wrong subs, although that brings me back around to the naming problem, really — there just ought to be a catch-all for "pokemon general", if it isn't OI, and if it is OI, i think the in-universe name without any extra labelling isn't doing the forum any favours

like i said, i understand it's a small fix for a mod to move, but since it's recurrent it's always nice to tackle things at the source
 
az said:
it might not, although there is literally a subforum for tier lists in OI, albeit seemingly with a more "viability in-game" slant — if they're wanted anywhere (big if) it's OI. it's definitively not cong (forum req is specifically nothing pokemon)

structure in OI is a good thing, sure, but if there's no room for those threads there and they aren't wanted in smogoff, then maybe there's a gap in OI

this is part of the reason i made this a thread in is — this discussion spills out into more general subforum bracket stuff. smogoff is still a new sub but i feel like it has found its feet and i dont think its core is pokemon tier lists (they get locked, they're p much all the same, feel like spam, etc), where i know vF had concerns about cong being pigeon-holed as the Strict Discussion forum. to some extent this touches on revisiting how well the forums are going, their identities, etc



that seems like good news, that we might be able to append the subforum descriptions upfront

i agree that it's mostly newer users that have just found their way to the wrong subs, although that brings me back around to the naming problem, really — there just ought to be a catch-all for "pokemon general", if it isn't OI, and if it is OI, i think the in-universe name without any extra labelling isn't doing the forum any favours

like i said, i understand it's a small fix for a mod to move, but since it's recurrent it's always nice to tackle things at the source
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It's worth pointing out that the type of tier list dump threads that are found in Smogoff are against the rules of Orange Islands:
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  • Threads that are posted in Orange Islands either need to work toward a specific goal (i.e., generating a list of tiers for "efficient" run throughs of a game) or they need to promote discussion among users. Threads that ask users to post once and never look at a thread again are not what we are looking for. — We want threads that draw users back time and time again. We want threads that facilitate an exchange of an ideas, rather than threads that serve as a dumping ground for ideas.
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Tier list threads that are just "what's your favourite starter" or "ranking the games!!" happen occasionally and are swiftly locked, and as someone who's active in OI, I wouldn't have it any other way. From time to time topics where people share tier lists happen in other threads there and the discussion is extremely dry and well, non-existent, it's just users getting up on a soap box and shouting their opinion that no one really cares about. While it is a gap in OI that these threads don't exist there, it's not so much a gap in the market as an intentional omission.

So currently Smogoff is the best forum for these types of threads. If you don't want them there either, then they just don't have a place on this site, it's not particularly useful to try to push them into another subforum that already has explicitly banned them. The shitpost subforum seems like the best place for these sorts of threads that don't promote any discussion if we want them on the site somewhere.
 
az said:
this is part of the reason i made this a thread in is — this discussion spills out into more general subforum bracket stuff. smogoff is still a new sub but i feel like it has found its feet and i dont think its core is pokemon tier lists (they get locked, they're p much all the same, feel like spam, etc), where i know vF had concerns about cong being pigeon-holed as the Strict Discussion forum. to some extent this touches on revisiting how well the forums are going, their identities, etc
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Stuff like this has been discussed in the social forums mod discord, where I feel like most productive discussion and changes will take place and where the changes Cong has already taken in terms of the new clubs and such stemmed from. I don't believe it is discussion that really needs to be had in IS.
az said:
i agree that it's mostly newer users that have just found their way to the wrong subs, although that brings me back around to the naming problem, really — there just ought to be a catch-all for "pokemon general", if it isn't OI, and if it is OI, i think the in-universe name without any extra labelling isn't doing the forum any favours
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Much like tier names, some forum names are part of their identity and I think it's not something that's going to change.
Celever said:
So currently Smogoff is the best forum for these types of threads. If you don't want them there either, then they just don't have a place on this site. But the shitpost subforum does seem like the best place for these sorts of threads that don't promote any discussion.
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I don't think they are that wanted overall, no. But, I wouldn't call Smogoff a shitpost forum by any means, it's a casual forum that's not as serious, but there's also been plenty of ambitious projects like The Well and smogoff amoonguss.
 
understood — i tend to like a discussion where people can read and pitch in if its a forum they use, but knowing the social mods in discord have it in hand is good, too

also re: these threads being unwanted in OI: fair enough! certainly wasn't just trying to funnel junk over to you. bear in mind the tier list threads are just one sort of thread im talking about that doesn't feel right in cong and smogoff

ok, thanks!
 
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How likely could it be to have an OM a meta that is basically the same but you can't use U-turn, Volt Switch, Flip Turn or teleport?

I like grabbing momentum as much as the other guy but I miss when Pokemon was switch or attack, not both
 
I mean last time I logged in (a while ago) i remember there being a like button or something like that, but when I logged in today there just isn't any button like that anymore.
 
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Ast0rga said:
Is there a way to get notifications each time a Topic tagged with "Tournament" is created so I can stay up to date with tourney signups, or is there an easier way to know when signups for tourneys are open
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There isn’t right now, but I think this is a great idea! If I were to suggest something, then perhaps in the Information & Resources or Announcements subforum there could be a thread that hosts post a link to signups in. That way we can watch the thread and be alerted of a new post.
 
you can search slowly, but I don't think there are videos of a season that was played years ago (if by videos or logs you mean).
 
how do you post sw/sh sprites (like the ones in the ou viability rankings) without having to manually save a picture?
like : bulbasaur : is :bulbasaur:, but with the new sprites
 
Xephyrr said:
how do you post sw/sh sprites (like the ones in the ou viability rankings) without having to manually save a picture?
like : bulbasaur : is :bulbasaur:, but with the new sprites
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whereas prefixing it with a generation's two-letter code adds that generation's full-size sprite / 3D model. E.g. :dp/bulbasaur: inserts Bulbasaur's DPP sprite, and :sm/bulbasaur: adds its SM model.
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Xephyrr said:
:sm/bulbasaur:

yeah, but this isn't what I mean, what I'm looking for are the SS models that are used for the OU viability rankings :/
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All of the models are reused in the 3D era, so :sm/bulbasaur: (: sm/bulbasaur:) and :swsh/bulbasaur: (: swsh/bulbasaur:) are the same.
 
Xephyrr said:
:sm/bulbasaur:

yeah, but this isn't what I mean, what I'm looking for are the SS models that are used for the OU viability rankings :/
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Sorry, just checked the thread now. All of the ones in the OU viability thread are from Serebii. Specifically, url's like
https://serebii.net/pokedex-swsh/icon/748.png for Toxapex, where the numbers are the dex numbers.

You can find them easier by going to pages such as these and copying the URLs to the images https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-swsh/poison.shtml

edit: Or for an even more elegant solution, see below
 
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