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CAP 1 Smogon's 1st "Create a Pokemon": Poll 2
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No see I'm thinking that will be too similair to a Yanmega. In fact nearly exactly the same. Both got 4x Rock weakness, in fact similiar weaknesses all up, coverage nearly exactly the same, cmon its like an exact copy once you set the Hidden Power.
I think Physical Ice/Bug. It won't be a Hera clone due to the fact that it has a 4x SR weak, and has VERY different coverage, considering no CC and no longer needs stone edge for flying.
On top of that it will be one of the only pokemon to get a decent STAB Ice Punch move.
A set like Ice Punch/Megahorn/EQ/--- would get great coverage and make for a great UNIQUE Poke ;D
Things that use Fire attacks in OU: Heatran, Infernape
Things that use Fighting attacks in OU: Lucario, Electivire, Weavile (sometimes)
Things that use Stealth Rock in OU: Hippowdon, Skarmory, Blissey, and every other common wall
So there.
I believe that out of the 3 options Ice/Bug is the most redundant, however I feel that Ice/Bug should be given a chance, Maybe not in Ou, Maybe in Ubers instead ¬.¬
I doubt that Steel/Bug would be able to match the skill that is Scizor, And I feel that Ice/Steel would be a tank, and I'm not fond of tanks.
I doubt that Steel/Bug would be able to match the skill that is Scizor, And I feel that Ice/Steel would be a tank, and I'm not fond of tanks.
Lessons for next time. I didn't like this idea at first, but thinking back to gameFAQs' character battle, this seems like a better idea....
Magic Guard would be the obvious choice for ability, unless someone designs a better one in that stage of the program. I still like Steel/Ice though. Rock is pretty common these days.
I'll just go ahead and bold some of the things you missed.
Things that commonly use Fire attacks in OU: Heatran, Infernape, Salamence, Azelf, Garchomp, Roserade, Blissey
Things that commonly use Fighting attacks in OU: Lucario, Electivire, Weavile, Heracross, PZ, Gengar, Azelf, Salamence, Togekiss, Machamp, Breloom
Things that use commonly Stealth Rock in OU: Hippowdon, Skarmory, you are right, may as well just say every team has a bulky physical/wall with SR. So I guess we should completely abandon the idea of Ice/Bug as a new original Pokemon type and while we are it throw Yanmega in the bin too. [/sarcasm]
Just for the record, those first two lists make up the Top 7 most used Pokemon on Shoddy. So there.
Magic Guard would fix that. And yea, I wonder what it'd be like as an uber....
You missed my sarcasm. SR doesn't kill a Pokemon. I mentioned Yanmega as reference to the fact that it has 4x SR weak and is still #29 on Shoddy for both weighted and unweighted usage =]
My thoughts on this thread:
First off, I think this is a great idea. 40 posts/41 views means this is a popular thread too, just about everyone is giving their opinion, and with enough popularity, who knows it might just reach the right person and Nintendo may put the Smogon created Pokemon in the next game. It's definitely worth trying, and even if it doesn't go through, its still fun to see where this thread goes and what result we get at the end of it ;D
As for the typings:
Steel/Bug has been done. Three times. I don't think it will be either as good as Forry/Scizor, or much different either. Plus, on a less important note, if Nintendo DO pick up on this idea, they probably aren't going to want a Pokemon thats already been done.
Ice/Steel: I like the fact that steel covers Ice's Rock weakness. But with the 4x Fire/Fighting weaknesses it brings as well as new ground weakness (all extremely common types), it makes the options for this Pokemon very restrictive if we want it to be OU. For one, it can't be defensive. And if it has to be offensive, a Steel STAB means it has to be physical to be decent, Meteor Mash is the only good steel attacking move, bar Gyro Ball, but this guy will need his speed with those weaknesses, so you can rule that out. Flash Cannon would maybe allow you to go special, but really I'm just seeing a worse version of Magnezone here due to the fact that it's defense is teh suck.
Ice/Bug: I've already said alot about this typing. But basically, everyone is worried about the 4x SR with this guy. Magic Guard isn't actually needed, a Rapid Spinner can do the job fine. Although Magic Guard would be an alright ability on it and wouldn't be broken either on an offensive Poke. Once the field is clear and this guy switches in immediately, not much Pokez can take STAB Ice Punch or Megahorn, with (hopefully) EQ and Thunderpunch to support it. At least thats where I'd like to see this Poke go. Specially orientated makes it too similiar to Yanmega.
First off, I think this is a great idea. 40 posts/41 views means this is a popular thread too, just about everyone is giving their opinion, and with enough popularity, who knows it might just reach the right person and Nintendo may put the Smogon created Pokemon in the next game. It's definitely worth trying, and even if it doesn't go through, its still fun to see where this thread goes and what result we get at the end of it ;D
As for the typings:
Steel/Bug has been done. Three times. I don't think it will be either as good as Forry/Scizor, or much different either. Plus, on a less important note, if Nintendo DO pick up on this idea, they probably aren't going to want a Pokemon thats already been done.
Ice/Steel: I like the fact that steel covers Ice's Rock weakness. But with the 4x Fire/Fighting weaknesses it brings as well as new ground weakness (all extremely common types), it makes the options for this Pokemon very restrictive if we want it to be OU. For one, it can't be defensive. And if it has to be offensive, a Steel STAB means it has to be physical to be decent, Meteor Mash is the only good steel attacking move, bar Gyro Ball, but this guy will need his speed with those weaknesses, so you can rule that out. Flash Cannon would maybe allow you to go special, but really I'm just seeing a worse version of Magnezone here due to the fact that it's defense is teh suck.
Ice/Bug: I've already said alot about this typing. But basically, everyone is worried about the 4x SR with this guy. Magic Guard isn't actually needed, a Rapid Spinner can do the job fine. Although Magic Guard would be an alright ability on it and wouldn't be broken either on an offensive Poke. Once the field is clear and this guy switches in immediately, not much Pokez can take STAB Ice Punch or Megahorn, with (hopefully) EQ and Thunderpunch to support it. At least thats where I'd like to see this Poke go. Specially orientated makes it too similiar to Yanmega.
Hm... I remember there being no mono-steel full evos. I'm seeing that as the best typing here. why did you guys choose three types that were all are not very effective vs. steel?
Hm... Jibaku's idea seems nice. Something like Infernape statwise, but with WonderGuard. Or we could make it an Uber with two of the best Stabs for that game.
Hm... Jibaku's idea seems nice. Something like Infernape statwise, but with WonderGuard. Or we could make it an Uber with two of the best Stabs for that game.
My main problem with a Bug/Ice is the weakness to SR, but here's why: it needs to switch in. The reason Yanmega is so good is because it's an effective lead, capable of outspeeding everything right out of the gate after a Speed boost. Unless a new Bug/Ice is an effective lead, it's going to have to switch in at some point, and will take massive damage. A Wishpasser can only prolong the inevitable, and the new pokemon would needs to be able to counter common SRers (Bug and Ice aren't too effective against Skarm and Forry).
With Magic Guard it would work, but that could lead to an incredibly broken pokemon, which is not the point of this program. To make a Magic Guard Bug/Ice balanced, it would need to be pure Physical or Special attacker, because as Mr_Goodbar said
Life Orb could really be abused here. Just voicing my thoughts on the matter.
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