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CAP 1 Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Syclant Testing

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Today I've battled twice, and in one battle, Syclant basically swept 4 enemy pokes (against KoA, who first swept me with his BP'd Metagross). In the other, I didn't bring it until the last enemy poke, but it simply secured my victory.

Battle against KoA went like this:

- Aboma vs Ninjask, I switch to Steelix while he subs.
- Ninjask Sword Dances, I put SR.
- I realize this Steelix doesn't have Roar, and I feel pretty much doomed. So I Stone Edge instead, and he protects, that until he BPasses a Swords Dance and quite some speed boosts to Metagross.
- While he has fun sweeping my team, I manage to burn it with my Dusknoir before fainting, and then I wear it down with switches, protect, and sacrifices.
- After all, I get a fresh Syclant with hail against 5 of his pokes. Syclant manages to kill four of them, but it's ultimately defeated by KoA's own Syclant.
 
can someone get me a single backsprite of syclant?

the ones in the final SFCP poll are just one big picture.

I need it for an RMT, if you were wondering.
 
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Here are the four Syclant sprites I am using on the Shoddy server. BTW KoA -- I had to separate these sprites from your cut sheet, and may have gotten the edges slightly wrong, since they are not outlined.

syclantfrontnormalhx8.png
syclantfrontshinydg1.png

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syclantbackshinydx8.png
 
DougJustDoug said:
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Here are the four Syclant sprites I am using on the Shoddy server. BTW KoA -- I had to separate these sprites from your cut sheet, and may have gotten the edges slightly wrong, since they are not outlined.

syclantfrontnormalhx8.png
syclantfrontshinydg1.png

syclantbacknormalyp0.png
syclantbackshinydx8.png
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Yeah, they're fine to me. I don't notice anything wrong with the outlines.
 
Im tired of arguing against Tail Glow, so i'll just rest my case in saying that Syclant doesnt have a tail! It only has an abdomen! And, it already has the broken Compoundeyes to make STAB Blizzard 91% accurate coming off 114 base sp. atk, and 121 base speed outruns everything that has a possibility of switching in safely. The only thing i can think of that can do more damage after Tail Glow/Nasty Plot is Porygon-Z, but it only has 90 base speed and Normal is a poor attacking type, whereas Ice is one the best.


Now, these are my suggestions for the pre-evo:

Name: Syclar (at this rate)
Height: 2' 0"
Weight: 23 lbs.

Base Stats: 45/72/40/68/40/65 (BST: 330)

Movepool:

Level:
- Leech life
- Leer
- Ice Shard
7 Focus Energy
10 Knock Off
15 Slash
19 Bite
24 Icy Wind
30 X-Scissor
36 Something like Ice Ball or Twineedle or something Syclant can't learn through level up
39 Night Slash

TMs/HMs:
TM06: Toxic
TM07: Hail
TM10: Hidden Power
TM13: Ice Beam
TM14: Blizzard
TM17: Protect
TM18: Rain Dance
TM21: Frustration
TM27: Return
TM28: Dig
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM39: Rock Tomb
TM40: Aerial Ace
TM42: Facade
TM43: Secret Power
TM44: Attract
TM45: Rest
TM46: Thief
TM54: False Swipe
TM58: Endure
TM62: Silver Wind
TM63: Embargo
TM66: Payback
TM70: Flash
TM72: Avalanche
TM75: Swords Dance
TM78: Captivate
TM80: Rock Slide
TM81: X-Scissor
TM82: Sleep Talk
TM83: Natural Gift
TM84: Poison Jab
TM87: Swagger
TM89: U-Turn
TM90: Substitute
HM01: Cut
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash
 
Umbrelava please do not write in all bold + caps, it does not do your cause well.

If you had access to all of the logs like Doug does you would see how hard it is for Syclant to sucesfully stat up. Nothing wants to switch out of him for this reason, and if people have a Pokemon that Syclant can not 1HKO they will bring him in through sacrifice to aviod Syclant stating up. Basically it's a Lose-lose situation for Syclant 90% of the time. He can either stat-up and be killed, or he can kill the current Poke and have a counter brought in on him, forcing him to switch out and take 50% from SR when he comes in again (If running Compound Eyes, the inferior choice, which you would know if you spent more time on the server testing this stuff out rather than talking through your ass). Then we get into the Priority moves which screw Syclant up all the time, even if he has Sash Glowed / Danced. Then we get into the pokes that Syclant can't kill without specific moves, that take up a vital moveset. Without Brick Break Blissey walls, without Earth Power Tentacruel walls it solid. And so on.

So please, I urge you to go spend some time playtesting and next time come with logs to back up your arguments instead of trying to put logic and pokemon together with "Syclant has no tailz!1!1!" which we all answer with the obligatory "Pokemon does not have to make sence".
 
Well, considering Tail Glow Japanese name is something like "bug lights", and considering the tail-less Volbeat gets it too, I wouldn't be worried about Tail Glow making sense name-wise.

And from my experience, it is far from broken on it... Despite my initial doubts. There's nothing like experience to talk about something. When Syclant could only be discussed through theorymon, that was OK, but since it became usable, I think only people who has used it should express their opinions.
 
lord sunday i posted this on page 1, you missed it.


i realy think the Tail Glow and Mixed sets need diferent analysis. they play compleatly diferently, have diferent ev spreads, diferent moves.
Pure tail Glow (without BB/Superpower) is walled by blissey, but takes many other things very well. Compoundeyes is a option on the pure tail glow set as well it helps with FB and Blizzard, but rapid spin support is needed.

this is the set:

move 1: Tail Glow
move 2: Bug Buzz
move 3: Focus Blast / Hidden Power Electric/Fight/Ground?
move 4: Blizzard / Ice Beam
item: Life Orb / Focus Sash
ability: Compound Eyes / Mountineer
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Satk / 4 Defense / 252 Speed

After a tail glow almost nothing can wall you, even the best sp. walls will be fall to repeted boosted Focus Blasts. Bug Buzz is for STAB, Blizzard will KO most pokemon that dont resist it after a Tail Glow, but Ice Beam can work if you dont have hail and want to run Mountineer. If you use Compundeyes Focus blast is your best option, but with Mountineer Hidden Power is better:
Fighting: lets you do something to Blissey and will hurt Heatran.
Electric: is for bulky waters like Suicune and Tentacruel.
Ground: will slaughter Heatran and KO Tenta.

Life Orb is for high rish-hight reward, but without Mountineer or heavy rapid spin support the damage will add up quickly, and you will find it hard to get a Tail Glow up.

Focus Sash lets you get a free TG up, but without LO's boost you will find it hard to KO some bulky oponents.

feel free to edit the comments


mixant should look something like this:

[SET]
name: Mixant
move 1: Ice Beam
move 2: Bug buzz / X-Sicssor
move 3: Brick Break / Superpower
move 4: Substitute / Earth power / More options? Taunt?
item: Life Orb
ability: Mountaineer
nature: Naive / Rash
evs: 200 Atk/ 56 Satk / 252 Spd or 4 Defence/252 sp. attack/252 speed (if it can 2ko bliss with Superpower)

Syclant has the ability to tear through many of the most common walls in D/P. Ice is a great STAB in the OU Metagame which is the only one you will see Syclant playing in. Brick Break deals with Blissey and will 2HKO 90% of the time. Bug buzz provides a strong STAB that deals with many opponents. Substitute can be used if you do not want to risk mispredicting, which will often force Syclant to switch out. It is also useful to absorb Thunder Waves from Blissey and Cresselia.

If you do use Substitute than Superpower becomes an option over Brick Break as it can 2HKO Blissey with less EVs, but it does not allow for repeated hits.

these comments will need some slight ajustment.
 
hey guys, is something wrong with the server? It keeps saying 18-20 people on, but when I go on theres only 2.

Anyway, eric the espeon, here is the set I use, I can't find a name for it though.

[SET]
move 1: Blizzard / Ice Beam
move 2: Bug buzz
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Substitute
item: Petaya Berry
ability: Compoundeyes
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Defense / 252 Speed / 252 Special Attack, 30 HP IV

Set Comments:
Looks stupid on paper, but really comes through in a pinch. I actually have testing experience with this baby, and use the same strategy with Yanmega. You save it for the late game, and you have one chance to sweep, which is really all you need. Bring him in on rocks, Substitute up, planning for the switch (if not it's ok, just route out priority moves), petaya activates and you sweep. Blizzard and Focus Blast abuse Compoundeyes, but still only have 91% accuracy, which makes Ice Beam a viable option for reliable STAB. Thanks to excellent type coverage, you should have no problem sweeping.

EVs: Nothing to it, just pure special sweeping EV spread.

Counters: Tentacruel and Blissey to some extent, as focus blast only does 40-47%, which is only a 3HKO. I don't really know anything else off the top of my head.
 
hey doug, wobbuffet and deoxys-e are still banned from ladder play in your server, but unbanned in the main server. could you unban them?
 
tail glow ant is beastly i think giving it a +1 special boosting move would make it not as broken.

maybe something like snow dance. or just give it growth ?
 
Yeah, Alakazam WISHES it got Nasty Plot, but it doesn't. And this thing is even faster. And gets Ice STAB.

You can't really call SR a counter on a pokemon like this. I think Tail Glow is a little too much.
 
Well, if within all the battles it proves to be overpowered with Tail Glow, it'll be handled accordingly.

I think that was one of the reasons we went through testing periods.
 
For everyone claiming that Syclant is overpowered, please post a warstory showing how Syclant dominated. I would like everyone to analyze the warstory to validate that it is the result of an overpowered Syclant, not poor teambuilding or poor play.

This is a playtesting thread! We have a working battle server. That means that we no longer need to engage in theorymon. Get your ass on the server, battle with Syclant, and present some evidence for your theories. I've been scanning battle logs, and I'm not seeing anything like this! I see a lot of Syclants dying before they can do anything, and I'm seeing a lot of revenge kills. I am not seeing a lot of Syclant sweeps. When I do see it, it's due to noob play, crappy opposing teams, really good luck, or all of the above.

So stop engaging in speculation, and gather some evidence. It's not that hard. Make a team and battle with it. Post your warstory if it backs up your position. But, don't come here and say, "Hey, I tried it Doug. Syclant's broken." Because, I might just go pull your battle logs myself and see how "legit" those battles were. And if the logs don't back your position, I'm going to post the real results and embarrass you here on Smogon.

Don't get me wrong. I really thought Syclant was gonna be tougher than this. I really WANT Syclant to be tougher than this. Remember, during the creation of this poke, I wanted a pokemon that was on par with Garchomp! Heck, if you've figured out how to make Syclant dominant -- I want to steal your technique, because I can't do much with Syclant right now. It's a solid pokemon, but not gamebreaking AT ALL. And everyone I know that has been testing it a lot is saying the same thing. So, please prove me wrong. I want to be proven wrong. I want to learn from your knowledge and battle skill. If you can back it up, I will be the first one to get on the bandwagon to make adjustments.

But, stop with theorymon on Syclant. One of the reasons I worked so hard to get the server working was so that you can get proof. Go get it.
 
Eric, imho your final spread just doesn't have any staying power. I've tested a set like that when syclant was first available for testing, and having a SR weak, Life Orb, and god knows what else eating at your HP means you die incredibly soon. Not only that but it relies on pure prediction to get those crucial 2HKO's, so you'll be switching out whenever you get it wrong.

Raioku I may do a bit of testing with that spread, it looks quite fun to use... expecially from behind a sub.
 
All these people going on just theorymon are making me sad. ;_;
 
Orright guys, today on Shoddy I did a little experiment. 'cept I kinda wanted to post the results on a new page instead of at the very bottom so excuse this post ok?
 
Well, the set that I'm using atm for this is.

Syclant @ Choice Band
Jolly - 252 Atk/248 Spd/8 Def
- Mountaineer
~ Ice Shard
~ X-Scissor
~ Drain Punch
~ Stone Edge

I'm currently using this as a lead, on Doug's server. Ice Shard gets priority along with Stab and a CB boost while X-Scissor is his secondary Stab and main attacking move. Drain Punch is to deal with Steels and Rock types which would otherwise seriously hurt him while recovering life. Stone Edge deals with Flying/Fire types and hits Infernape/Blaziken for neutral.
 
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