Metagame SS OU Metagame Discussion Thread v7 (Usage Stats in post #3539)

:scizor:
Scizor @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 168 Def / 92 SpD
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Knock Off / U-turn
- Roost

or this

Scizor @ Leftovers / @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Roost
- Knock Off​

are currently used, the former is used to tank hits better from choice band kartana and rillaboom, where the latter is better to check special attackers such as kyurem, tapu lele, and clefable with thunder in its arsenal. Both sets have their merits in the current meta, but which set you should use depends on your team entirely.

currently there are plenty of scizor teams which tend to be rather offensive with partners such as weavile, rillaboom, hawlucha, volcarona, garchomp, tornadus-t, and tapu koko, as they can put a lot of pressure on plenty of common pokemon and they easen the teampartner up with great synergy while maintaining the offensive pressure. this is mainly why scizor has risen in popularity recently. also it is one more knock off user with a boosting move in swords dance and knock off users in ou are in general very appreciated to remove annyoing items such as leftovers and heavy-duty boots.
these are the main reasons as to why scizor has found a place in the current metagame and i think it'll see a rise in the viability in the future as well, as this pokemon alongside weavile really left a big impact recently.
You think they'll both see a rise in a metagame with Zamazenta? Scizor pretty much can't touch Zama unless it's running Superpower and I don't really see it using that move over his other options. The standard Weavile sets also get walled by Zama
 
You think they'll both see a rise in a metagame with Zamazenta? Scizor pretty much can't touch Zama unless it's running Superpower and I don't really see it using that move over his other options. The standard Weavile sets also get walled by Zama
I really dont see where zama was mentioned in that post, unless you count katy speaking of a rise of viability in the future, but that future doesn't even necessarily include zama in any way(not even a test), and I'm going to guess katy meant in the future development of this OU roster without any changes. can we please stop railroading every conversation in the last few days into a zama one, it's been beaten to death and we did like 3-4 full circles already(I don't really have an opinion myself for what it's worth)

on the topic of scizor though, I have also seen people running LO with it, does anyone know what sets it runs then?
 

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I want to bring up Dracozolt, the Fossil Pokemon. Yes, it is literally known as the Fossil Pokemon.
Dracozolt is probably the best Mixed attacker in the current game and has a surprising lack of reliable checks even though it has sub par offensive stats. However, it's harder to use than most pokemon, with it being prediction reliant. This adorable goof of a dragon is amazingly strong and that's why I want to talk about it.

:ss/dracozolt:
Dracozolt @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 156 Atk / 184 SpA / 168 Spe
Naive Nature
- Bolt Beak
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake

- Fire Blast

This set outspeeds Garchomp at +1 and can KO Defensive Landorus-Therian with Draco Meteor after Stealth Rocks, the rest has been invested into Attack.
184 SpA Life Orb Dracozolt Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 337-399 (88.2 - 104.4%) -- guaranteed KO in 2 turns after Stealth Rock
Dracozolt is probably the most threatening pokemon in the tier, scary as all hell in team preview and has a very limited amount of reliable checks. Its ability to break through walls on both sides of the defensive spectrum and having extremely strong STABs in Bolt Beak and Draco Meteor makes it hard to wall, being only checked by Hippowdon and Swampert. It's access to Fire Blast allows it to break through Ferrothorn which is one of the only defensive pokemon that can switch into both its STABs. Earthquake is mainly there to hit Heatran since Bolt Beak is a 2HKO.
How to kill with Dracozolt
Dracozolt is incredibly strong by the way incase you missed the numerous times I already mentioned that; however,
it's rather hard to use due to it being very prediction reliant, get it right and it can devastate your opponent, get it wrong and Dracozolt is as good as a Magikarp. However getting predicts right is not all that hard, ofcourse it's not the easiest feat but not the hardest either, and getting predicts right with it is addicting. With that being said, how exactly does one predict with Dracozolt, it's a simple matter of practice to be honest. Since a large amount of teams regularly lack a reliable check to Dracozolt its rather easy to just click buttons and win; however, having teammates like Toxic Excadrill can often bait in it's two most reliable checks and cripple them severely hurting their ability to check Dracozolt later on. After this it's a matter of prediction to break through your opponents walls. A lot of people also like to sweep with Dracozolt and to be honest you'll only ever be doing that if your opponents team is poorly built. Dracozolt is more of a hit and run pokemon if you get what I'm saying, it doesnt stay in and keep attacking, that only leads to it being severely chipped by its Life Orb, it more so nukes a wall and then proceeds to leave to avoid any damage. This may not work for everyone ofcourse some might like to play it more offensively but I've had more success with playing it like this. Pairing it with good hazard control is incredibly important, I usually prefer one Defog user with Rapid Spin Excadrill. Likewise pairing it with slow pivots like Slowking is also crucial since it has a hard time switching in due to it being incredibly frail.​

Dracozolt is probably my favourite pokemon to use in my favourite archetype to use, it's an incredible wallbreaker, it's very cute and its hilarious to look at.
Welp that's all I have to say, Bye! :blobwizard:

PS, theres a team in the sprite
 
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Hey there :afrostar:

I want to bring up Dracozolt, the Fossil Pokemon. Yes, it is literally known as the Fossil Pokemon.
Dracozolt is probably the best Mixed attacker in the current game and has a surprising lack of reliable checks even though it has sub par offensive stats. However, it's harder to use than most pokemon, with it being prediction reliant. This adorable goof of a dragon is amazingly strong and that's why I want to talk about it.

:ss/dracozolt:
Dracozolt @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 156 Atk / 184 SpA / 168 Spe
Naive Nature
- Bolt Beak
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake

- Fire Blast

This set outspeeds Garchomp at +1 and can KO Defensive Landorus-Therian with Draco Meteor after SStealth Rocks, the rest has been invested into Attack.
186 SpA Life Orb Dracozolt Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 337-399 (88.2 - 104.4%) -- guaranteed KO in 2 turns after Stealth Rock
Dracozolt is probably the most threatening pokemon in the tier, scary as all hell in team preview and has a very limited amount of reliable checks. Its ability to break through walls on both sides of the defensive spectrum and having extremely strong STABs in Bolt Beak and Draco Meteor makes it hard to wall, being only checked by Hippowdon and Swampert. It's access to Fire Blast allows it to break through Ferrothorn which is one of the only defensive pokemon that can switch into both its STABs. Earthquake is mainly there to hit Heatran since Bolt Beak is a 2HKO.
How to kill with Dracozolt
Dracozolt is incredibly strong by the way incase you missed the numerous times I already mentioned that; however,
it's rather hard to use due to it being very prediction reliant, get it right and it can devastate your opponent, get it wrong and Dracozolt is as good as a Magikarp. However getting predicts right is not all that hard, ofcourse it's not the easiest feat but not the hardest either, and getting predicts right with it is addicting. With that being said, how exactly does one predict with Dracozolt, it's a simple matter of practice to be honest. Since a large amount of teams regularly lack a reliable check to Dracozolt its rather easy to just click buttons and win; however, having teammates like Toxic Excadrill can often bait in it's two most reliable checks and cripple them severely hurting their ability to check Dracozolt later on. After this it's a matter of prediction to break through your opponents walls. A lot of people also like to sweep with Dracozolt and to be honest you'll only ever be doing that if your opponents team is poorly built. Dracozolt is more of a hit and run pokemon if you get what I'm saying, it doesnt stay in and keep attacking, that only leads to it being severely chipped by its Life Orb, it more so nukes a wall and then proceeds to leave to avoid any damage. This may not work for everyone ofcourse some might like to play it more offensively but I've had more success with playing it like this. Pairing it with good hazard control is incredibly important, I usually prefer one Defog user with Rapid Spin Excadrill. Likewise pairing it with slow pivots like Slowking is also crucial since it has a hard time switching in due to it being incredibly frail.​

Dracozolt is probably my favourite pokemon to use in my favourite archetype to use, it's an incredible wallbreaker, it's very cute and its hilarious to look at.
Welp that's all I have to say, Bye! :blobwizard:

PS, theres a team in the sprite
As another person who loves Dracozolt and agrees its super underrated. I would just like to point some things out.

1 this set will not KO defensive Lando-T after SR as even with 212 Ev's and a SPA nature it can't ohko defensive Lando after SR.

Second off while Exca can counter Zolt pretty well. It has to be very careful around both EQ and Fire blast. Instead I would say the absolute best Zolt counter in the game is Specially Defensive Hippowdown. It can easily take 2 Draco Meteors and slack off, it can take EQ's and Fire Blasts all day and it can't be hurt by Bolt Beak. Hippo also comes with the boon of beating non boosted Excadrill as well.

But altogether as someone who plays a very prediction reliant game, I can vouch that Zolt is one of the best mons in the meta, criminally underrated and unbelievably fun to use.
 
My main problem with Zolt is that not only is reliant on another Mon for weather support, but Sand usually has the least amount of overall turns since the Mons with the ability choose to run items other than Smooth Rock for the most part.

Pokes that are dependant on other Mons for weather or terrain support have never been super high on the viability rankings and will only go as high as the weather/terrian setter's current placing will allow them to
 

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Isn't Fire Spin + Substitute Dracozolt with Leftovers, like what talah used in SPL here, considered one of the best sets? Being able to trap whatever switches in removes a lot of the prediction reliance that can make Dracozolt inconsistent, and being behind a Sub can further help with how a limited number of sand turns sometimes makes potential sweeps short-lived and underwhelming. Leftovers also helps make Dracozolt more reliable, since it tends to get worn down easily, especially with a Life Orb. Bolt Beak and Draco Meteor covers the majority of what Dracozolt needs to hit and Fire Spin + chip (and you can rack up more Fire Spin chip with Substitute) can help wear down things like Ferrothorn or Excadrill that Fire Blast and Earthquake are meant to hit. Both Ferrothorn and Excadrill don't have particularly reliable forms of recovery either, so they can't switch into Fire Spin Dracozolt many times before they're in range of Bolt Beak or Draco Meteor. Obviously running a Dracozolt set with Sub + Fire Spin and Lefties over EQ + Fire Blast and LO isn't as powerful or immediately gratifying, but I think that it may add more consistency and reliability to Dracozolt, which are otherwise two areas that can often limit Dracozolt.
 
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Mono Choice Band U-Turn Spam is the future. I have exclusively used this exact team on the above account. I developed the team while using a different account that used a handful of gimmicky strategies (beginning with Mono Choice Band Explosion Spam Sand without Sand-Damaged mons), and this gimmick proved to be the best of them. The HP EVs are based on the logic of having a 16 x # - 1 HP stat to minimize residual damage, but you can modify them to prepare for the metagame if you want I guess. Using this team gives you a new perspective on competitive Pokémon as a whole, and playing against this team does the same (just don't get too mad when your Rillaboom switch-in gets OHKOed by Koko). This was the best combination of Pokémon for this team that I could come up with, if you want to use Status Moves like a tryhard then maybe there is a better squad you can make. This team matches up poorly against Corvinight, Dragapult, Kartana, Hazards, the Move Protect, and any opponent with a brain. The nicknames are the names of the original Six Samurai from the Yu-Gi-Oh TCG.

"If this team relies so heavily on surprise factor then why are you sharing it?"
Because I have reached my goal with this team and want to move on to a different gimmick. This post may not be very contributory or Modest (heh) or anything but I hope that it inspires you all to succeed with the teams that you love.
 
Isn't Fire Spin + Substitute Dracozolt with Leftovers, like what talah used in SPL here, considered one of the best sets? Being able to trap whatever switches in removes a lot of the prediction reliance that can make Dracozolt inconsistent, and being behind a Sub can further help with how a limited number of sand turns sometimes makes potential sweeps short-lived and underwhelming. Leftovers also helps make Dracozolt more reliable, since it tends to get worn down easily, especially with a Life Orb. Bolt Beak and Draco Meteor covers the majority of what Dracozolt needs to hit and Fire Spin + chip (and you can rack up more Fire Spin chip with Substitute) can help wear down things like Ferrothorn or Excadrill that Fire Blast and Earthquake are meant to hit. Both Ferrothorn and Excadrill don't have particularly reliable forms of recovery either, so they can't switch into Fire Spin Dracozolt many times before they're in range of Bolt Beak or Draco Meteor. Obviously running a Dracozolt set with Sub + Fire Spin and Lefties over EQ + Fire Blast and LO isn't as powerful or immediately gratifying, but I think that it may add more consistency and reliability to Dracozolt, which are otherwise two areas that can often limit Dracozolt.
It's as you said, the two sets kinda do different things and are better in different circumstances.

The standard LO set is best used as an amazing wall breaker that destroys most of the common walls in the tier (Bro, Corv, Ferro, Clefable, Lando.) Which then paves a way for a sweeper to come in and clean up those holes easily.

The sub/fire spin set works better as a lure, for specific threats, trapper and can come in multiple times a game to keep breaking but it lacks that immediate power and ability to just blow through everything that the other set does.

Despite that both sets are great and equally viable and while they seem similar they both have very different uses.
 

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Katy look at me post a one liner.
Just kidding I would never

Bisharp has been rising in usage in the recent weeks and for a good reason, well theres a couple, mainly its STAB Knock Off, ability to invalidate one of the best Physical Walls in the tier being Landorus-Therian. It's high base Attack along with Swords Dance and great STAB combination along with strong priority makes it hard to wall and an incredibly strong threat. Its Choice Banded set is just as good acting as an immediate threat and being able to spam Knock Off with minimal drawbacks and a lot of power. Bisharp is one hell of a chess piece.


Bisharp @ Black Glasses / Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Iron Head
- Knock Off

- Sucker Punch

Or

Bisharp @ Choice Band

Ability: Defiant
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head

- Assurance / Low Kick

How to use Bisharp
Knock Off spam. Using Bisharp is quite often as simple as that, ofcourse theres more aspects to it but STAB Knock Off is a big part of using Bisharp. Its Swords Dance set fits best on Hyper Offensive teams especially one with Screens Support since it gives Bisharp great opportunities to set up or forces a Defog which can give it a free +2 attack boost which is more than enough to devastate teams. Sucker Punch makes it even harder to revenge kill since it's also STAB and is incredibly strong as well, especially with Black Glasses. A Choice Banded set can be equally devastating especially since it doesnt require a turn to set up and can fit on more archetypes like Bulky Offense and Balance.

Bisharp has the second strongest Knock Off in the game, surprisingly only behind Absol. Although Knock Off is a big part of Bisharp, theres more to it. It's near perfect STAB coverage makes it incredibly hard to check reliably although it does have a couple good checks in Skarmory, Defensive Garchomp and Urshifu-R although that's a more offensive check. Pairing the Choice Banded set with Future Sight can make it even more threatening and can make it rather hard to switch into. Assurance along with Spikes is also great since Spikes can chip down its checks as well as the damage can help activate Assurance and Spikes can often force Defog which Bisharp can abuse further with Defiant.


Needless to say, Bisharp is a very strong threat these days and can easily devastate teams if they're not prepared for it.
Well that's all I have to say, Bye! :blobwizard:
 
Bisharp really has benefited from both the bans of the bunnies and like the consequences of the urshifu-s ban. Like it was losing to all three but the fact that defensive Buzzwole is increasingly niche also gets rid of one of the more splashable fighting types in the tier. It is however not the second strongest Knock Off but the third because Crawdaunt's ability Adaptability makes it the owner of the strongest Knock Off in the tier.
 
Alright I'm gonna throw it out there and say it. I think Veil/Brightpowder should be banned.

On paper/statistically is it overpowered? No it is not at all. However it has the power to completely turn the tide of a battle with RNG especially when combined with Substitute.

Even more so I'd go on to say it is completely uncompetitive. I know there's RNG related things in battles, chances to be paralyzed, crit and so on. However, evasion boosting moves are already banned. Moody is mostly banned because of the chance of getting am evasion boost with sub or protect and then snowballing there.

Hell there is already precedent of banning veil in previous gens and besides chomp (who's already got another great ability.) No mon will really ever miss Veil.

So yeah ban it, end the rng fest that's Veil/brightpowder and let's move on with the metagame.
 
Alright I'm gonna throw it out there and say it. I think Veil/Brightpowder should be banned.

On paper/statistically is it overpowered? No it is not at all. However it has the power to completely turn the tide of a battle with RNG especially when combined with Substitute.

Even more so I'd go on to say it is completely uncompetitive. I know there's RNG related things in battles, chances to be paralyzed, crit and so on. However, evasion boosting moves are already banned. Moody is mostly banned because of the chance of getting am evasion boost with sub or protect and then snowballing there.

Hell there is already precedent of banning veil in previous gens and besides chomp (who's already got another great ability.) No mon will really ever miss Veil.

So yeah ban it, end the rng fest that's Veil/brightpowder and let's move on with the metagame.
Slight correction, Moody does no longer boost evasion in gen 8.

However this definitely is something that should be discussed, evasion boosting is inherently uncompetitive and can cause stupid snowball sweeps especially from the likes of Garchomp.
 

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Alright I'm gonna throw it out there and say it. I think Veil/Brightpowder should be banned.

On paper/statistically is it overpowered? No it is not at all. However it has the power to completely turn the tide of a battle with RNG especially when combined with Substitute.

Even more so I'd go on to say it is completely uncompetitive. I know there's RNG related things in battles, chances to be paralyzed, crit and so on. However, evasion boosting moves are already banned. Moody is mostly banned because of the chance of getting am evasion boost with sub or protect and then snowballing there.

Hell there is already precedent of banning veil in previous gens and besides chomp (who's already got another great ability.) No mon will really ever miss Veil.

So yeah ban it, end the rng fest that's Veil/brightpowder and let's move on with the metagame.
I absolutely agree with this. Sand veil is just ridiculously good. Garchomp is already among the most dangerous mons in the tier. It dodging any hits under sand is just straight up bs. I've both won and lost games because of this ability. While veil chomp is a lot of fun, it just makes me hate this game
 
Sand Veil/Bright Powder is not broken. It is too inconsistent to be a truly troubling presence in the metagame.
However, I agree that you can make a strong case for it being uncompetitive, and I believe that it should’ve been gone way back when Evasion Clause was first established instead of living on in its current form. I support a ban of Sand Veil and Bright Powder on the basis of being uncompetitive and not adding anything to the metagame other than a troll strategy. I also get that this would come relatively low on a list of priorities for the ever-developing metagame, but I will gladly support its removal at any time.
 
Sand Veil/Bright Powder is not broken. It is too inconsistent to be a truly troubling presence in the metagame.
However, I agree that you can make a strong case for it being uncompetitive, and I believe that it should’ve been gone way back when Evasion Clause was first established instead of living on in its current form. I support a ban of Sand Veil and Bright Powder on the basis of being uncompetitive and not adding anything to the metagame other than a troll strategy. I also get that this would come relatively low on a list of priorities for the ever-developing metagame, but I will gladly support its removal at any time.
That's exactly what I mean.

On paper it is not broken at all and statistically it is not broken. However due to it turning games into RNG fests and sometimes allowing pokemon like Garchomp able to snowball entirely because you missed a 100% accurate move? Well that's just stupid.

I also advocate for the banning of snow veil. Not because it's broken but for consistency sake and the fact that it too is uncompetitive.
 
Sand Veil/Bright Powder is not broken. It is too inconsistent to be a truly troubling presence in the metagame.
However, I agree that you can make a strong case for it being uncompetitive, and I believe that it should’ve been gone way back when Evasion Clause was first established instead of living on in its current form. I support a ban of Sand Veil and Bright Powder on the basis of being uncompetitive and not adding anything to the metagame other than a troll strategy. I also get that this would come relatively low on a list of priorities for the ever-developing metagame, but I will gladly support its removal at any time.
I would say that bright powder is far less broken than sand veil, as (imo) the opportunity cost for it is noticeably more.
Both are definitely uncompetitive tho
 
Lol Pokemon is an RNG fest. Sand Veil / Bright Powder effect maybe 1% of games and of them decide maybe a fraction of that. Crits, Scald burns, Ice Beam freeze, team matchup, literally just fucking missing, and so on effect the game infinitely more than a 10% evasion boost at the cost of an item slot. If you don't like RNG play a different game.

But if we're talking about should-be-banned hot-takes imo Whirlpool, Fire Spin, Block, Infestation, Magma Storm, and so on are blatantly uncompetitive and should be included under Arena Trap + Shadow Tag clause. I can't for the life of me think of any positive effect these moves have on the meta.
 
Lol Pokemon is an RNG fest. Sand Veil / Bright Powder effect maybe 1% of games and of them decide maybe a fraction of that. Crits, Scald burns, Ice Beam freeze, team matchup, literally just fucking missing, and so on effect the game infinitely more than a 10% evasion boost at the cost of an item slot. If you don't like RNG play a different game.

But if we're talking about should-be-banned hot-takes imo Whirlpool, Fire Spin, Block, Infestation, Magma Storm, and so on are blatantly uncompetitive and should be included under Arena Trap + Shadow Tag clause. I can't for the life of me think of any positive effect these moves have on the meta.
Fwiw, (based on last month's usage stats, it's probably more popular now w/ mag and ace gone), Sand Veil Garchomp alone has about 1.3% usage in the 1695 stats and just under 1% usage in the 1825 stats. Add to this whatever usage bright powder gets/other sand veil mons/etc etc
Also worth noting that (at least in principle) usage does not determine whether something is banned or not, what matters is whether it is broken and I feel like bright powder and sand veil are.
 
Things I've always thought were simultaneously true: That it just is plumb weird Evasion Clause isn't simply "You may not boost your Evasion." - and that Brightpowder/Sand Veil aren't relevant enough to warrant much of a discussion but being that other folks have started the conversation again I'd figure I'd add my voice to the ring.

My perspective on rulings isn't much relevant either with limited playing and watching this generation but a slippery slope argument is often used against complex bans and yet the inherent wording of allowing -some- evasion effects feels a slippery slope in of itself.

Is it Evasion Boosting that functions in some undesirable way? I'd reckon most folks would say that the very concept of Evasion itself is the problem.
Yet we have access to Brightpowder and Sand Veil on the ladder. So it's legal to increase Some amount of Evasion, Somehow. Which begs the question...
Why not have it limited to just one use of an Evasion Boosting move?
Does it break the game at 10% evasion? 30% evasion? 50%? 90%?

This partial ban on Evasion opens up the question on whether and when Evasion truly gets unbalanced and I don't think that's a conversation worth having.
That's not what Evasion is banned for, I don't personally believe.
Pokemon is a game of RNG and risk management but Evasion is a removable element that introduces unreliability. Unlike crits which are a constant unpredictable part of the game, Evasion is completely optional under a gentleman's agreement - like Smogon's ruleset and has a much more pronounced effect on whether or not a given game would have gone given a rematch than most other moves preventing effects in my opinion through being a self targeted move that negates the opponent's directly offensive options.

If the attempt is do the best we can to offer the better player consistently more success so we can call ourselves truly a best effort competitive version of an uncompetitively random game, do we not owe it to ourselves and our tournament matches to remove access to this unreliable element that can be removed without much cost in the way of limiting other strategies?
 

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Hey everyone! I hope you all have been doing well lately.

I just completed my first YouTube video going over what I believe to be the top 10 best Pokemon in the tier currently. For the sake of discussion, I'd like to list those Pokemon off here in a more consumable medium, and reinforce my beliefs by contextualizing what makes these Pokemon, as a whole, so powerful.

For the sake of my point below, I'm going to label each of my top 10 with one of four different markers. I'll explain below.

(P) = Pivot
(H) = Hazard Setter
(K) = Knock Off
(W) = Wallbreaker

10: Slowking (P / W? [Futureport])
The best specially defensive pivot in the tier; superior to Slowbro since it does a considerably better job at checking rising threat Tapu Lele and pre-existing special wallbreakers such as Nidoking. Similar to Slowbro, packs Future SIght + Teleport + Regenerator, and reinforces bulky offense/balance cores incredibly well with its defensive typing, bulk, and one-of-a-kind utility.
9: Rillaboom (P / K / W)
An incredibly fierce wallbreaker and unrivaled revenge killer with switch-ins that can be easily exploited with Knock Off or U-turn. Incredibly powerful wincon and wallbreaker that also provides a unique form of utility in the form of Grassy Terrain alongside its access to U-turn, Knock Off, and Grassy Glide, making it a premier offensive staple.
8: Tapu Koko (P)
A top offensive pivot primed with an amazing defensive and offensive typing that lets it check Tornadus-T and Zapdos incredibly well, while pressuring Mandibuzz/Corviknight to a great effect. Secondary STAB in Dazzling Gleam puts down a lot of pressure against the tier's Thunderbolt switch-ins, such as Garchomp and Landorus-T, and has U-turn to take advantage of those switch-ins. Has access to longevity to reliably exploit its defensive typing.
7: Ferrothorn (H / K)
The best Spikes setter in the tier, backed with a phenomenal defensive typing and the ability to pressure common forms of hazard removal with Leech Seed and Knock Off, making it a premier wall and a hazard stacking staple.
6: Corviknight (P)
The best Defog user in the tier equipped with an amazing defensive typing that lets it beat a majority of the tier's Stealth Rock setters, alongside access to Pressure, great coverage options, and U-turn to make it a versatile pivot and hazard removing option. Has access to a dope Bulk Up set too.
5: Heatran (H / W)
Incredibly polarizing option in Magma Storm to trap key walls like Blissey and Toxapex, alongside neat techs to exploit Magma Storm's uncontested niche. Magma Storm is a very fun move (also is a great stealth rock setter i guess)
4: Garchomp (H / W)
One of the best wallbreakers and wincons in the tier, aided alongside a great offensive and defensive typing. Great Stealth Rock setter too since it does such a great job pressuring a majority of the tier's forms of removal.
3: Landorus-T (P / H / K / W)
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2: Dragapult (P / W)
The best offensive pivot in the tier, primed with an amazing offensive typing, borderline uncontested speed tier, and amazing utility that lets it perform incredibly well as speed control, an offensive pivot, and as a top tier enabler.
1: Tornadus-T (P / K / W)
Always able to force progress and be a polarizing dingbat while it's at it thanks to Heavy-Duty Boots, Regenerator, Nasty Plot-boosted Hurricanes, and Knock Off.

In any case, while this list is mostly my own opinion, I'd like to emphasize how a lot of these Pokemon are, generally, less inherently defensively inclined and more based in enabling. I made an observation in a previous post about how offensively inclined this metagame was, and yet still had a gigantic wealth of teambuilder versatility regarding what could be run and in what ways. Pretty much all my top 10 Pokemon provide those opportunities; they can be pivots, hazard setters, or even wallbreakers in of themselves, which you can see from the markers above (amazingly, 7 of these 10 are pivots).

They are able to provide a wealth of great utility for offensive teams in such a way that encourages and rewards a player's ability to position themselves and their wincons well. I find that to be incredible, and yet another sign of how great of a state the metagame currently is in.

What do you think of these observations? Do you think this metagame is more offensively inclined, and if so, in what ways? I'd love to hear what you all have to say.
 
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Hey everyone! I hope you all have been doing well lately.

I just completed my first YouTube video going over what I believe to be the top 10 best Pokemon in the tier currently. For the sake of discussion, I'd like to list those Pokemon off here in a more consumable medium, and reinforce my beliefs by contextualizing what makes these Pokemon, as a whole, so powerful.

For the sake of my point below, I'm going to label each of my top 10 with one of four different markers. I'll explain below.

(P) = Pivot
(H) = Hazard Setter
(K) = Knock Off
(W) = Wallbreaker

10: Slowking (P / W? [Futureport])
The best specially defensive pivot in the tier; superior to Slowbro since it does a considerably better job at checking rising threat Tapu Lele and pre-existing special wallbreakers such as Nidoking. Similar to Slowbro, packs Future SIght + Teleport + Regenerator, and reinforces bulky offense/balance cores incredibly well with its defensive typing, bulk, and one-of-a-kind utility.
9: Rillaboom (P / K / W)
An incredibly fierce wallbreaker and unrivaled revenge killer with switch-ins that can be easily exploited with Knock Off or U-turn. Incredibly powerful wincon and wallbreaker that also provides a unique form of utility in the form of Grassy Terrain alongside its access to U-turn, Knock Off, and Grassy Glide, making it a premier offensive staple.
8: Tapu Koko (P)
A top offensive pivot primed with an amazing defensive and offensive typing that lets it check Tornadus-T and Zapdos incredibly well, while pressuring Mandibuzz/Corviknight to a great effect. Secondary STAB in Dazzling Gleam puts down a lot of pressure against the tier's Thunderbolt switch-ins, such as Garchomp and Landorus-T, and has U-turn to take advantage of those switch-ins. Has access to longevity to reliably exploit its defensive typing.
7: Ferrothorn (H / K)
The best Spikes setter in the tier, backed with a phenomenal defensive typing and the ability to pressure common forms of hazard removal with Leech Seed and Knock Off, making it a premier wall and a hazard stacking staple.
6: Corviknight (P)
The best Defog user in the tier equipped with an amazing defensive typing that lets it beat a majority of the tier's Stealth Rock setters, alongside access to Pressure, great coverage options, and U-turn to make it a versatile pivot and hazard removing option. Has access to a dope Bulk Up set too.
5: Heatran (H / W)
Incredibly polarizing option in Magma Storm to trap key walls like Blissey and Toxapex, alongside neat techs to exploit Magma Storm's uncontested niche. Magma Storm is a very fun move (also is a great stealth rock setter i guess)
4: Garchomp (H / W)
One of the best wallbreakers and wincons in the tier, aided alongside a great offensive and defensive typing. Great Stealth Rock setter too since it does such a great job pressuring a majority of the tier's forms of removal.
3: Landorus-T (P / H / K / W)
Hi, Phil Swift here with Flex Tape! The super-strong waterproof tape! That can instantly patch, bond, seal, and repair! Flex tape is no ordinary tape; its triple thick adhesive virtually welds itself to the surface, instantly stopping the toughest leaks. Leaky pipes can cause major damage, but Flex Tape grips on tight and bonds instantly! Plus, Flex Tape’s powerful adhesive is so strong, it even works underwater! Now you can repair leaks in pools and spas in water without draining them! Flex Tape is perfect for marine, campers and RVs! Flex Tape is super strong, and once it's on, it holds on tight! And for emergency auto repair, Flex Tape keeps its grip, even in the toughest conditions! Big storms can cause big damage, but Flex Tape comes super wide, so you can easily patch large holes. To show the power of Flex Tape, I sawed this boat in half! And repaired it with only Flex Tape! Not only does Flex Tape’s powerful adhesive hold the boat together, but it creates a super strong water tight seal, so the inside is completly dry! Yee-doggy! Just cut, peel, stick and seal! Imagine everything you can do with the power of Flex Tape!
2: Dragapult (P / W)
The best offensive pivot in the tier, primed with an amazing offensive typing, borderline uncontested speed tier, and amazing utility that lets it perform incredibly well as speed control, an offensive pivot, and as a top tier enabler.
1: Tornadus-T (P / K / W)
Always able to force progress and be a polarizing dingbat while it's at it thanks to Heavy-Duty Boots, Regenerator, Nasty Plot-boosted Hurricanes, and Knock Off.

In any case, while this list is mostly my own opinion, I'd like to emphasize how a lot of these Pokemon are, generally, less defensively inclined and more based in enabling. I made an observation in a previous post about how offensively inclined this metagame was, and yet still had a gigantic wealth of versatility in what could be run and in what ways. A lot of my top 10 Pokemon provide exactly that; they can be pivots, hazard setters, or even wallbreakers in of themselves, which you can see from the markers above (amazingly, 7 of these 10 are pivots).

They are able to provide a wealth of great utility for offensive teams in such a way that encourages and rewards a player's ability to position themselves and their wincons well. I find that to be incredible, and yet another sign of how great of a state the metagame currently is in.

What do you think of these observations? Do you think this metagame is more offensively inclined, and if so, in what ways? I'd love to hear what you all have to say.
The first thing I'll say is that I think you need to increase the volume. Even with both youtube and my laptop volume already maxed it's hard for me to hear what you're saying
 
If we’re discussing banning evasion mechanics, can I ask why Acupressure is still legal? It’s a move that raises a random stat by two stages and can raise evasion and accuracy. Obviously, it’s a total meme and no serious player would use it, since it’s incredibly unreliable, but I did recently lose a game on ladder to an Acupressure Malamar because it lucked out and got two evasion boosts with its first two Acupressures, making it near impossible to hit. Like Veil+Bright Powder, it’s inconsistent and probably not statistically broken, but the way it works is inherently uncompetitive. I agree that Veil should be banned, and maybe Bright Powder too, but for consistency let’s just remove any and all ways of increasing evasion. It won’t have a massive effect on the tier, but it’s incredibly frustrating to lose to something that you can‘t control or account for risk wise.
 

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