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Pet Mod SS OU Theorymon (Completed)
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It was a fine morning in the streets of Galar, the sun was shining and Eleki was out and about with their best friend English Zapdos without one of those -hateful- and Eleki hated to even think of the word beginning with G and ending with “ound.” But there were none around.
It was in this fine mood that the titan of electricity. Child of Regigigas, etc etc came upon a shell game. Fascinated, the little current zipped and chirped with excitement at the marble zipping and zooming around the table, happy as can be for the trick to dance about the hateful flying tigers.
It was in this fine mood that the titan of electricity. Child of Regigigas, etc etc came upon a shell game. Fascinated, the little current zipped and chirped with excitement at the marble zipping and zooming around the table, happy as can be for the trick to dance about the hateful flying tigers.
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my thoughts on these subs ended up all over the place. i can't decide if i like them all (except cress) or hate all of them, but these two seem the most viable so my vote goes to them.
+ Chlorophyllgives sun an actual pokemon especially with good stats and focus blast to nail tran and a boosted mystical fire to hit many steels and moonblast hits dragons that can otherwise take a hit. Sounds like a good sun pokemon especially if its running choice specs or LO as it can have a load of power especially with modest and healing wish is pretty good role compression.
Edit: Actually after thinking about it more sun is pretty strapped for slots and idk what gardevoir will actually accomplish on sun
+ ThunderAllows it to get rid of pesky water types that sit in the way of rain like toxapex, slowbro, fini, and is able to path the way for rain to clean late game. This is what the sub seems to go for... it sounds interesting on paper especially as it makes it a better option on rain and can abuse the free thunder unlike toad where many mons can switch into EP not really much wants to take thunder + hydro if its lo or not many want to eat a paralysis
Dark/Fairy + Moonblast +10 SpeedGive it a way to outspeed more pokemon such as ada weavile, kart, zarude, speed tie raikou, blace, latias, thundurus-i, terrakion, and more. Moonblast give it a way to bust through fighting types and gives it a good type which allows it to switch into dragons, dark, and gives it a neutrality to fighting, and bug which means it can disguise as more mons such as dragapult, slowbro, or as urshifu-rs and lure in their counters. It also has a more powerful stab in moonblast which allows it to be stronger overall as well.
Fire/Fighting + Thunderous KickRock neutrality = more flare blitz spam go brrr... fighting type = comes in on dark types and now has an actual stab to spam that is boosted by sheer force which means that 117 BP + stab means its gonna be hitting very hard regardless. In sun with a rock neutrality it allows it to come in more often and be a threat more especially with 6 resists now.
+BoomburstGives it a way to abuse liquid voice and especially with the sheer power of modest specs boomburst it can take advantage of its typing to differentiate itself from tapu fini to be a pure wall breaker which gives it a very good niche in the meta as 2hko'ing toxapex after rocks or after a little bit of chip if its sp. def allows it to be a wallbreaker that can abuse its typing to generate itself opportunities plus its good bulk even when not invested into.
Edit; Veoted lmao
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252+ SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 120-141 (34 - 40%) -- 94% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Please don't even think about voting for this. Would be nearly like the return of Dracovish, especially if you pair this with rain support (now 2HKOs guaranteed; SpDef Pex takes similar numbers). OU really doesn't need to go back to the era of mandatory Water immunities.
Please don't even think about voting for this. Would be nearly like the return of Dracovish, especially if you pair this with rain support (now 2HKOs guaranteed; SpDef Pex takes similar numbers). OU really doesn't need to go back to the era of mandatory Water immunities.
Weather subs are pretty eh. People are desperately trying to buff weather and it's not really interesting. Imo Kingdra doesn't even need this buff - Kingdra is peak when Rain is peak. Gardevoir is just dumb, both flavor and otherwise. It is useless outside of Sun and under Sun it goes from being bad to annoying to check. Stop trying to buff weatger please, pretty sure everyone was pissed off when Hail Balance was destroying all yall builds.
Now to the good stuff
+ Dark/Fairy + Moonblast + (+10 Speed)
Zoroark looks pretty great imo. Dark Fairy just naturally gives it more options to stay in on stuff and truck things with Illusion, and having a secondary (arguably Primary now) STAB in Moonblast is a major boon to its offensive profile. The final nail to convince me is that +10 Spe....115 Speed is so clutch for an offensive Pokémon and it might supercede the Illusion gimmick and just be a good and viabke wallbreaker. On the flipside, an Illusion Pokémon being TOO good may be a major cause for concern for both teambuilding and uncompetitive factors, so that has to be something one MUST consider when they decide to go to the polls for votes.
Fire/Fighting + Thunderous Kick
This is another spectacular submission imo. No Rock weakness is HUGE for Darmanitan, allowing LO sets to operate with a much larger air of freedom. STAB Thunderous Kick is actually pretty cool but I wish we could keep the secondary effects, as it would lowkey be a bit better, but its still fantastic. Struggles hard with Toxapex but so does vanilla Darmanitan, just click Earthquake and U-turn alot.
+ Boomburst
Not a fan of this, Boomburst on Primarina is kinda nuts.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex: 135-160 (44.4 - 52.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(Versus Standard Pex)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 144 SpD Toxapex: 123-144 (40.4 - 47.3%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 144+ SpD Toxapex: 111-132 (36.5 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
(Versus Mixed Pex)
Anyone who plays Joltemons knows just how potent Liquid Voice Specs Prima is with Deafening Shriek, and this is much better by a very large margin. Feels too much, espwcially for a metagame busting at the seams with offensive Pokémon already.
Hopefully our next slate adds some WELL needed defensive and maybe utility options for a fair bit, as we have been adding a few heavy duty breakers for awhile.
I will be voting for or something else depending on how I feel about the idea of a very good Illusion user.
Now to the good stuff
+ Dark/Fairy + Moonblast + (+10 Speed)Zoroark looks pretty great imo. Dark Fairy just naturally gives it more options to stay in on stuff and truck things with Illusion, and having a secondary (arguably Primary now) STAB in Moonblast is a major boon to its offensive profile. The final nail to convince me is that +10 Spe....115 Speed is so clutch for an offensive Pokémon and it might supercede the Illusion gimmick and just be a good and viabke wallbreaker. On the flipside, an Illusion Pokémon being TOO good may be a major cause for concern for both teambuilding and uncompetitive factors, so that has to be something one MUST consider when they decide to go to the polls for votes.
Fire/Fighting + Thunderous KickThis is another spectacular submission imo. No Rock weakness is HUGE for Darmanitan, allowing LO sets to operate with a much larger air of freedom. STAB Thunderous Kick is actually pretty cool but I wish we could keep the secondary effects, as it would lowkey be a bit better, but its still fantastic. Struggles hard with Toxapex but so does vanilla Darmanitan, just click Earthquake and U-turn alot.
+ BoomburstNot a fan of this, Boomburst on Primarina is kinda nuts.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex: 135-160 (44.4 - 52.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(Versus Standard Pex)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 144 SpD Toxapex: 123-144 (40.4 - 47.3%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 144+ SpD Toxapex: 111-132 (36.5 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
(Versus Mixed Pex)
Anyone who plays Joltemons knows just how potent Liquid Voice Specs Prima is with Deafening Shriek, and this is much better by a very large margin. Feels too much, espwcially for a metagame busting at the seams with offensive Pokémon already.
Hopefully our next slate adds some WELL needed defensive and maybe utility options for a fair bit, as we have been adding a few heavy duty breakers for awhile.
I will be voting for
or something else depending on how I feel about the idea of a very good Illusion user.
Regieleki didn't make it, fuck me sideways
I highly dislike this, like i nearly completely hate it.
1. I dislike it because Gardevoir has nothing on its design hinted to plants, and the one thing that does make it fit on a sun archetype is the exact same thing it will be overshadowed despite being the absolute coolest thing about Gard. I have seen people argue that calm mind gardevoir is beneficial to sun because it breaks past psychics and fairies, but that makes it seem like you slapped a random mon with a sun ability to try and revive a dead playstyle.
2. However, that it is not my biggest problem with this sub. My biggest problem with the sub is how it tries to rework the entire niche that the mon had when its previous niche had massive ammounts of potential that was still waiting to be explored correctly. Yes im talking about Trace Gardevoir. Trace Gardevoir is a very interesting scarfer in the lower tiers which holds the potential to replicate in OU, as trace is able to copy abilities in order to gain favourable matchups against a lot of mons, such as Regenerators and other ability reliant mons. Hell it even directly helps sun in a better way than chlorophyll gard due to being able to copy other speed abilities from other mons and outspeed them, especially if its holding a scarf.
Hell im being complied to making my own Gardevoir buff.
Simple, but does give kingdra more options, still better than a lot of the other mons.
The only mon on the slate i could currently approve. Lets observe what this does for zoroark potentially: Dark Fairy is one of the most potent offensive typings in existence which allows it to do some pretty hefty damage to a lot of team structures. It also comes with another inmunity which is tremendously huge for its ilusion antics. Speaking of its ilusion antics, some people are terrified of it ilusion antics by comparing it to 
but i would like to clarify that ilusion was more of a thing that tipped aurumoth to th edge due to having a million tools that i t could abuse like ddance qdance and a ton of coverage.
While the fighting type addition seems interesting, i fully disapprove it because of thunderous kick. will also elaborate on it at a later date.
252 SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex in Rain: 185-218 (60.8 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
No
I highly dislike this, like i nearly completely hate it.1. I dislike it because Gardevoir has nothing on its design hinted to plants, and the one thing that does make it fit on a sun archetype is the exact same thing it will be overshadowed despite being the absolute coolest thing about Gard. I have seen people argue that calm mind gardevoir is beneficial to sun because it breaks past psychics and fairies, but that makes it seem like you slapped a random mon with a sun ability to try and revive a dead playstyle.
2. However, that it is not my biggest problem with this sub. My biggest problem with the sub is how it tries to rework the entire niche that the mon had when its previous niche had massive ammounts of potential that was still waiting to be explored correctly. Yes im talking about Trace Gardevoir. Trace Gardevoir is a very interesting scarfer in the lower tiers which holds the potential to replicate in OU, as trace is able to copy abilities in order to gain favourable matchups against a lot of mons, such as Regenerators and other ability reliant mons. Hell it even directly helps sun in a better way than chlorophyll gard due to being able to copy other speed abilities from other mons and outspeed them, especially if its holding a scarf.
Hell im being complied to making my own Gardevoir buff.
Simple, but does give kingdra more options, still better than a lot of the other mons.
The only mon on the slate i could currently approve. Lets observe what this does for zoroark potentially: Dark Fairy is one of the most potent offensive typings in existence which allows it to do some pretty hefty damage to a lot of team structures. It also comes with another inmunity which is tremendously huge for its ilusion antics. Speaking of its ilusion antics, some people are terrified of it ilusion antics by comparing it to but i would like to clarify that ilusion was more of a thing that tipped aurumoth to th edge due to having a million tools that i t could abuse like ddance qdance and a ton of coverage. While the fighting type addition seems interesting, i fully disapprove it because of thunderous kick. will also elaborate on it at a later date. 252 SpA Choice Specs Liquid Voice Primarina Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex in Rain: 185-218 (60.8 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKONo
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I submitted the Kingdra Sub, and I would like to defend it.
Kingdra isn't a good option in Rain currently, whether on here or in the OU ladder. Simply put, it has too much strong competition; Barraskewda breaks better and Seismitoad offers excellent role compression compared to Kingdra, which is a relatively one-dimensional mon: swift swim sweeper with balanced stats. Rain lack slots to fit a sweeper like Kingdra in currently, and by giving it thunder, it gains a niche as a swift swim sweeper that is capable of breaking through Bulky waters, reducing the need of Rain teams to rely on Zapdos to bust through Pex and Fini. This buff is really not a weather buff per se; it does benefit rain, but only in the sense of giving it more options; it rather gives Kingdra the ability to distinguish itself from other rain sweepers and be an alternative pick for a swift swim sweeper for more teams. Barraskewda and Seismitoad will remain just as good.
Kingdra isn't a good option in Rain currently, whether on here or in the OU ladder. Simply put, it has too much strong competition; Barraskewda breaks better and Seismitoad offers excellent role compression compared to Kingdra, which is a relatively one-dimensional mon: swift swim sweeper with balanced stats. Rain lack slots to fit a sweeper like Kingdra in currently, and by giving it thunder, it gains a niche as a swift swim sweeper that is capable of breaking through Bulky waters, reducing the need of Rain teams to rely on Zapdos to bust through Pex and Fini. This buff is really not a weather buff per se; it does benefit rain, but only in the sense of giving it more options; it rather gives Kingdra the ability to distinguish itself from other rain sweepers and be an alternative pick for a swift swim sweeper for more teams. Barraskewda and Seismitoad will remain just as good.
+ Chlorophyll: Anything that can be said has been said. Very meh. + Thunder: Pretty neat. Nothing particularly special, but doesn't need to be. Dark/Fairy + Moonblast +10 Speed: Yes Please. This combo sounds so good. I'm a little scared it will be too good because of Illusion, but still excited. Will be voting for this. Fire/Fighting + Thunderous Kick: I hate to do this to Kingdra, in any other slate it could've gotten in, but this along with Zoroark is just MMM. Darm with Sheer Force Life Orb Flare Blitz + Thunderous Kick sounds so frightening, but because of its low defenses can be easily bypassed by faster threats or priority. Extreme glass cannon which I feel like will be super fun to use on HO.Haha Boomburst Liquid Voice go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
not much of a contest this time. hoping to see more defensive subs in the future.