Pet Mod SS OU Theorymon (Completed)

So sorry for lateness

Deep in the jungle and ancient beast slumbered
Unkilllable, unstoppable, and hungry
He lurked from battle to battle. Faithful to his master.
But when he came to Unova there was only one verdict for the lord of the jungle

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Outclassed by a bramble! With its power of spikes, the monster did fall into oblivion. From his hole in Underused home the monster fashioned spikes to now stand against the world, so that none may face him.
 
here are the votes!
mamoswine: 16
terrakion: 4
tangrowth: 14
archeops: 5
ribombee: 1

we're onto the next slate!
pics coming soon i am so sorry i am being rushed to sleep rn—
flygon + poison heal + 20 speed
dhelmise + steel type (replaces grass)
cresselia + poison type
salazzle + earth power + 10 special attack
regieleki + switcheroo

5 days as usual, time to discuss!
 
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:flygon: What a heavy-handed buff. This is literally just Gliscor but again, except this time its physical bulk isn't workable. I guess since we don't have any legal Poison Heal users this is all right, but I'm not at all a fan. Scratch that, thinking about it more this is pretty alright.

:dhelmise: Pretty nice buff, turns this into SD Ferro but with spin. Steelworker Gyro goes very hard, especially if you're cool and run min speed Curse sets. Turns out this is actually offensive Aegislash. Pretty sick mon, though I agree with the sentiment that it’ll be kinda hard to slot on teams. Still, a rocks-resistant spinner with OU-level stats and typing means it’ll definitely have a niche, so I like it.

:cresselia: Is this adding to or replacing its Psychic typing? Either way, I'm not sure how to feel about this, since it ends up competing pretty hard with Glowking and has literally no Poison STAB (except Toxic!), which is very strange.

:salazzle: Now this is a buff I can get behind. Scorching Sands would've been way more flavorful, but with EP and more Special Attack, Salazzle becomes an absolutely terrifying NP sweeper. One of the biggest things here is it now has a way to hit Heatran (though you could technically Toxic it before), as well as other bulky Poisons such as Pex. Additionally, increased spatk makes it much more threatening even without setting up. I can easily see this with an OU niche, and it's probably my favorite buff this slate.

:regieleki: Scratch that, this is my actual favorite buff. Funny Switcheroo Eleki is funny and epic. No complaints here. EDIT: Specifically, Switcheroo provides a great new tool for choiced Eleki sets, allowing it to cripple mons like defensive Grounds and Blissey that would otherwise wall it for days. Of course, Ring Target also exists, but that's pretty gimmicky and very much secondary to TrickSpecs/TrickScarf.

probably voting lazzle and eleki. slate ended up being way stronger than i originally thought lol
 
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:regieleki: I kinda dont like this I don't think regieleki should ever be buffed and it should stay being horrible. If anything, it should get the normal typing added and like +10 atk so at least it's espeeds hit harder.

will talk about more later because im at school and i gotta pack up, i do have a note about the sub process though:

Also, can we change the way subs are? I feel like a lot of things being selected aren't really great and in the discord there is a lot more submissions that people like better than some of these things I see here. I feel like maybe instead of council just selecting some subs there should be at least some user input. Like you select the submissions with the most heart reactions or smth like that. And to make sure people see the subs there could be a submissions role so you can ping everyone when you have a sub. Also there should be some sort of sub limit so people don't get hella pinged and some people are clogging the submissions with just a ton of subs instead of like the top 2 that they really like to sub. Tbh if there's a sub limit there may be no need for a role to ping because it will be much easier to find good subs as people wont just put a bunch of half-baked ideas on there.
 
:flygon:
This mon will be good imo, as it gives OU two things would love to have: a Knock Off absorber and a true Heatran check. I don't think it would be as good as Gliscor however, since it lacks Knock Off, Stealth Rocks and Swords Dance, but i the added speed tier might give it much more freedom with EV spreads than Gliscor(i guess revenge killing non scarf kart with flamethrower could be nice?), which often was stuck with spreads with spdef investment + speed for Heatran you can see in certain metas. This will get my vote.
:dhelmise:
IDK, i don't think it would be super easy to justify this mon over Melmetal or even Ferro. Not very confident about this one tbh.
:cresselia:
CM sets can't be toxiced anymore, which is nice, but it still hates chip and Moonlight is a terrible recovery move which greatly limits its longevity. Aside from its immunity to Toxic, i have an hard time figuring out what else its additional poison typing allows it to check. Clef still sits on it, and offensive grasses and fairies have other ways around it usually, thanks to their access to a secondary stab/knock/uturn/taunt (depending on the mon). I don't think its Poison typing would make it much better, it still will have issues that need to be fixed.
:salazzle:
I don't have a clear opinion on this, but honestly that feels a bit busted lol. I don't think it would be actually broken cuz it has null defensive utility (which goes against it when it attempts to find setup opportunities) and is still outsped by quite a good number of stuff (even though 117 is a nice speed tier). Pex and Heatran not working as temp switch ins anymore is huge though.
:regieleki:
Feels like an annoying fish. I guess the main idea was being able to give Ring Target to grounds. If you think about it, that would work in a way similar to Z moves: you have the possibility of deleting one of your check, but it only works one time. It could be tempting to compare it with Regieleki in natdex (since there it has access to Z-Moves), but i don't think it would be a fair comparison: besides National Dex having a much higher power level, Z-Normal regieleki is just a bad Tapu Koko (which kept HP Ice, and can still hit grounds without killing its item slot), and it dies to some stuff that do not exist in SSOU, like Gliscor, Kyurem, priority from M-Lopunny and Ash-Greninja, and can even be Pursuit-trapped by TTar in certain scenarios.
 
flygon + poison heal + 20 speed

Well... my input on this as my sub is on this discord as an alternative to garchomp who has longetivity and is able to be "immune to status" and is able to pivot around with utility such as being able to defog in front of heatran, and raikou which is pretty big as raikou pretty much makes deffoging a pain in the ass. This also may allow it to run a bulky dd set which can take advantage of its immunity to status and being able to threaten many bulky teams.

cresselia + poison type

This allows it to be a mon who can easily CM up and start boosting with its good bulk of 120/120/130 bulk makes it taking hits so much better especially since it cant be worn down via toxic like it usually would in lower tiers and with smth like moonlight + CM this allows it to setup on many pokemon such as clef, buzzwole, landorus-t, corviknight, and more like soft checking rillaboom virtue of its poison typing. While 1 buff slot you can only do so much with it you can also run a somewhat gimmicky trick sludge set which makes many counters such as steel types and can give it to many pokemon who want to switch into it and remove it such as weavile, blace, bisharp, and hydreigon who want to switch into it and wall it. While moonlight is not the recovery you guys want it to have it is what it has to work with and with its bulk and its good resistances and ground immunity that it can utilize I doubt it can that easily burn 8 PP on them unless you are not conserving them

salazzle + earth power + 10 special attack

doubt it needs to be discussed but gives it a way to hurt pex, slowking-g, heatran and more sp. attack allows it to be able to nuke many pokemon even at neutral and makes it so it is easier to force out pokemon

dhelmise + steel type (replaces ghost)

banded sounds nutty especially steel/grass is pretty darn good defensive and is not hindered by its vulnerability to knock off and destroys many pokemon such as koko, lele, and can somewhat sit on zera and weavile esp with synthesis and its immunity to toxic which is pretty big as a spinner

regieleki + switcheroo

Asuma seems so happy about it idk why... ring target seems nice until you remember many pokemon are either still neutral to electric or resist like garchomp... MU fish ill have to think more on it...
 
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:flygon: Basically gliscor but with a lil bit of special bulk and nowhere near its physical bulk. It has Ddance and defog though, so a dragon dancer inmmune to status is a decent niche to have. Will still be hard for it to either come close to replicate gliscor's offensive and defensive utility, as well as trying to escape Garchomp's shadow who still outclasses it in nearly all other aspects.

:dhelmise: You would expect me with all the talk i do about taking into account the flavor and design of a pokemon when buffing it i would love this Sub. Well i actually don't like it that much. Its not that it is a horrible buff, quite the contrary its actually pretty good. What makes me dislike it so much is the fact that it strips away much of dhelmise's current identity as a pokemon by changing its grass ghost typing. lavarina Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't Dhelmise's typing change supposed to be Ghost/Steel instead of Steel/Grass? Regardless if it is, both typings remove the uniqueness of grass ghost, and i do believe that Vizar's buff was way cooler for it. Cool sub but not my cup of tea.

:cresselia: 1. This might be the most anti-flavor sub in the mod's existence, especially since cress has literally no poison moves aside of toxic.
2. Calm mind sets are incredibly frustrating to play against due to not being able to poison this thing.
3. Doesn't really provide much defensive utility so Galar King outclasses it in that role.

:salazzle: Just and overall nice buff which helps Salazzle become a more threathing offensive pressence, but i must agree that it kinda kills its corrosion niche. Even then i don't really think that is a bad thing? Its overall design has made it so that no +20 stat addition would make salazzle bulkier, and is not like corrosion could have done much for it when it already had options to get rid of steels.

:regieleki: I shall come into the defense of this particular mon, not only because i love it, but because people are being way too narrow minded about the particular uses for it.
The Big 2 (Or actually just the most discussed item and the item people should actually be looking to)
:ring-target: Yeah this is the most mentioned used even though it is one of the more gimmicky ones. A lot of people see it as a mediocre option since most mons will just resist regieleki's attacks, but that is a particularly simplistic and rather narrow minded view of what eleki can actually do after slapping one of this bad boys onto a ground. The point isn't killing the ground or anything, the point is that once the ground type receives the target ring there is little the opponent can do to prevent this thing from volt-switching infinitely and becoming a huge nuisance to deal with.
:Choice-Specs: Now this is the actual item you should put attention to when looking at the switcheroo addition. Specs is a set i have used to great sucess before, but had always had an issue with passivity and being generally stopped in its tracks by most electrics switch ins. This will no longer be the case with the addition of switcheroo, which although it does remove a lot of power from regieleki, helps it cripple many of the switch ins to its electric attacks. Inmmune mons like chomp, lando, zeraora and mudsdale hate losing lefties or boots and not being able to set stealth rocks efficiently. The absolute biggest losers of this however are the non-inmmune mons that usually check or counter regieleki, as mons like blissey, ferro or amooguss are completely crippled and just become more mons for eleki to volt switch into.
Other stuff that you could try (they suck but they are funny):
:Choice-scarf: Specs but without the power they bring to the table, very funny though.
:Toxic-Orb: :Flame-orb: Emergency check stuff by taking away their items and statusing them.
:Sticky-barb: Give your opponent anti-leftovers to help your teammates sweep.
This is by far my favourite buff of this slate. May the Regieleki alliance rise against all odds.
 
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Im gonna start this post by saying Regieleki is the worst pokemon ever, not in the sense that it's unviable but that it's the worst competitive design of all time by a long shot. This pokemon's whole shtick is that it has the highest speed and one of the highest damage output of any pokemon in the game which would make it overpowered in any world where it could touch ground types. Rn it's just a sitting duck until your opp decides to be a dumbass and sacs his ground type or puts it in range of specs ancient power and then it just auto-wins. No area for interesting counterplay, just, keep your ground alive and switch it in whenever eleki comes in. Of course, since it can't do shit against them, it usually means its a 5v6 for the person using it. This is bad. This is so bad. This buff does not help that! In fact it makes it way worse!! Cause now that Eleki has a way to cripple said ground types, it just means your only option against it becomes dead weight against the rest of the team. It's sole purpose becomes "stay alive and switch on eleki". Now the game is a 5v5! Fun fun fun! Pokemon is at its best when you can use pokemon in versatile ways, and this pokemon just fucking destroys that. Giving it more viability just means more dumbass games of being incentivized to not use your mons.

I'm bad at words but i just wanted to get my opinion out, and my opinion is that regieleki is a waste of code and makes the game worse by existing, this buff does not fix this, leave it alone ty.

ig ill put opinions on other mons later

edit: im being really mean sorry :( you have the right to like regieleki, but yeah i personally just dont lol
 
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