In usual fashion, here I am to make a VR post right after the update. This post contains a nomination that's been building up over the last few days, and I think I'm ready to discuss it now.
to S-
That's right, I firmly believe Salamence should rise to S-. Salamence has been one of the integral pieces of the meta since the very beginning. It has consistently kept its A+ ranking throughout all the meta shifts, and its no secrets why. The sheer splashability and usefulness of Salamence is quite insane. Salamence has been by far the best defogger we've had, being able to take on common entry hazard setters like Krookodile, cobalion, and Nidoqueen. Even now mence has been able to be reliable against rhyperior as of late by chipping it continuously with Draco Meteor over Hurricane on some sets. 3 attacks salamence is a menace, with nothing really wanting to switch into it in general multiple times. Furthermore, Dragon Dance Salamence is still a potent threat right now, taking advantage of the fall of celesteela to power through teams. Though, the rise of duskroc and aegislash does hurt it a bit. Mence even fits on stall builds as a reliable defogger and check to Pokemon like buzzwole and zarude. This leads me to another point: mence checks a LOT of the meta just with its typing and intimidate, not needing to invest in bulk. Going down the VR, this is just some stuff mence can threaten: keldeo, krookodile, amoonguss, tangrowth, zarude, kommo-o, buzzwole, gyarados, nidoking, mienshao, and Barraskewda. Now, you may ask why all this information matters to mence rising to S-. Well, what does it mean to be S rank? The ranking description states: S Rank describes Pokemon that provide dominant or multifaceted presences within the metagame. Whether it's through offensive, defensive, or supportive roles, S-ranked Pokemon perform at a top level of consistency, provide excellent utility and/or versatility, and prove key in shaping the metagame's trends and patterns. I believe Salamence fits this definition. It is incredibly consistent and provides great utility to any team it is on. Its versatility is near unmatched, only being rivaled by S rank Aegislash. Salamence can fit on any team archetype, ranging from HO to BO to Balance to Stall to Webs to Rain. Salamence has played and likely will continue to play an integral role in this metagame moving forward, and I believe it is time for Salamence to rise into the S ranks where it belongs. It doesn't have the immediate threat level nor danger of Aegislash or Keldeo, so sitting in a subrank below them along with Thundurus is more appropriate. Hope this post gave some insight as to why Salamence should be S-, and feel free to hit me up if you want me to go more in depth!
Also lets do some discussion points b/c why not :)
- hard disagree with a primarina drop. While prim has seen better days, Prim should stay A+ on the account of its RestTalk set. Specs is great and all but its not the main reason I'm using prim anymore. RestTalk provides amazing glue to so many teams, checking dangerous threats like Keldeo and Salamence while also psuedo-checking Lycanroc-D and Rhyperior. Primarina's ability to act as a Water-type resistance, Dragon immunity, fighting resist, and status absorber makes it very good in my eyes and would keep it in A+ based on this.
- though I do not disagree as much with a Prim drop I also don't believe rhyp should drop. While what was described in the discussion point is true, rhyps ability to trade with so many threats like Salamence, Lycanroc, thundurus, and aegislash still makes it dangerous. Its offensive presence combined with its defensive utility is still very potent and I would not drop it at all.
-This really comes down to this when discussing a rise: is scarf Jirachi good enough to be A? Defensive/rocker sets face a lot of competition from aegi and nihilego, so scarf is where Jirachi shines best. And yes, I do say Scarf Jirachi is good enough to be A. Annoying flinch haxes aside, Jirachi is great at being able to revenge kill a large majority of the metagame. Lycanroc, Azelf, Nihilego all drop to iron Head, and U-turn gets Jirachi out of poor matchups against Aegislash and Buzzwole, Healing wish is amazing utility, and its last slot is dangerously unpredictable, possibly being ice punch, thunder punch, or trick. Jirachi is a potent revenge killer in the meta rn and I support a rise to A rank based on this.
- as the person who first brought up the B+ rise I still think Azelf is potent enough between its pivot and nasty plot sets to set itself apart from the B rank and move up to B+.
- thought it should drop to B+ last time and still support a drop
That's right, I firmly believe Salamence should rise to S-. Salamence has been one of the integral pieces of the meta since the very beginning. It has consistently kept its A+ ranking throughout all the meta shifts, and its no secrets why. The sheer splashability and usefulness of Salamence is quite insane. Salamence has been by far the best defogger we've had, being able to take on common entry hazard setters like Krookodile, cobalion, and Nidoqueen. Even now mence has been able to be reliable against rhyperior as of late by chipping it continuously with Draco Meteor over Hurricane on some sets. 3 attacks salamence is a menace, with nothing really wanting to switch into it in general multiple times. Furthermore, Dragon Dance Salamence is still a potent threat right now, taking advantage of the fall of celesteela to power through teams. Though, the rise of duskroc and aegislash does hurt it a bit. Mence even fits on stall builds as a reliable defogger and check to Pokemon like buzzwole and zarude. This leads me to another point: mence checks a LOT of the meta just with its typing and intimidate, not needing to invest in bulk. Going down the VR, this is just some stuff mence can threaten: keldeo, krookodile, amoonguss, tangrowth, zarude, kommo-o, buzzwole, gyarados, nidoking, mienshao, and Barraskewda. Now, you may ask why all this information matters to mence rising to S-. Well, what does it mean to be S rank? The ranking description states: S Rank describes Pokemon that provide dominant or multifaceted presences within the metagame. Whether it's through offensive, defensive, or supportive roles, S-ranked Pokemon perform at a top level of consistency, provide excellent utility and/or versatility, and prove key in shaping the metagame's trends and patterns. I believe Salamence fits this definition. It is incredibly consistent and provides great utility to any team it is on. Its versatility is near unmatched, only being rivaled by S rank Aegislash. Salamence can fit on any team archetype, ranging from HO to BO to Balance to Stall to Webs to Rain. Salamence has played and likely will continue to play an integral role in this metagame moving forward, and I believe it is time for Salamence to rise into the S ranks where it belongs. It doesn't have the immediate threat level nor danger of Aegislash or Keldeo, so sitting in a subrank below them along with Thundurus is more appropriate. Hope this post gave some insight as to why Salamence should be S-, and feel free to hit me up if you want me to go more in depth!
Also lets do some discussion points b/c why not :)