STAB STABmons

[Bice]

looking from the outside in, im kinda surprised these moves weren't restricted earlier, especially torch song. its basically a better version of fiery dance, already a rly strong move, and since there's overall less tools to deal w/ special attackers it enables absurd snowballing, especially on a mon that isn't slow as molasses. esper wing is this to a lesser extent, especially as psychic is a weaker overall type than fire, but a lot of what could be said about torch song applies to it.

are there any plans to suspect take heart? it got only a slightly lower score than the restricted moves

 

[QT]

are there any plans to suspect take heart? it got only a slightly lower score than the restricted moves

It was our judgment that it was mostly the combination of take heart and esper wing that was the problem, such that dealing with either one would fix it, but if take heart continues to be problematic it is absolutely not off the table for tiering action and we will be watching it closely.

 

[drampa's grandpa]

Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
Jolly / Naive Nature
- Dragon Ascent
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Heat Wave / Focus Blast / Defrog

I've made my hatred of Iron Valiant pretty well known in the the Discord, but since nobody else seems to feel it should be banned I decided to look for some new answers to it. This was something I came up with that I don't think is particularly meta, but works well on the right teams.
The EVs outspeed +1 Iron Valiant and invest the rest into Attack then HP. The HP is important because it lets you barely live +2 Rapid-Strike Jet Punch, while you OHKO back after rocks.

Because this set has no Boots it needs extremely good hazard removal support in order to survive many hits, and while it Regenerator can help it get back to full it needs momentum from the other members of the team and no Rocks to be effective. I don't believe this set to be amazing or anything, but it does its job and isn't deadweight. It competes with other revenge killers for a teamslot, notably Scizor which does an even better job at revenging Valiant, although of course they beat some different mons.

252 Atk Tornadus-Therian Dragon Ascent vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Valiant: 356-422 (123.1 - 146%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Buncha Other Calcs

+2 252 Atk Punching Glove Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Jet Punch vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 261-307 (84.4 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Tornadus-Therian Dragon Ascent vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 326-386 (95.6 - 113.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 224-266 (72.4 - 86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Tornadus-Therian Dragon Ascent vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Weavile: 231-273 (82.2 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Tornadus-Therian Dragon Ascent vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zamazenta: 290-344 (89.2 - 105.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Tornadus-Therian Dragon Ascent vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Zamazenta: 194-230 (59.6 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Tornadus-Therian Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 214-252 (71 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Tornadus-Therian U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 154-182 (51.1 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[NeonJolteonWasUsed]

Hello again. This announcement is one that's a long time overdue, but I hope is one welcomed regardless.

I have come to my final decision of who will take on the role of tier leader, and will be passing the role on to SammyCe123 !
Please wish him luck in this position. Do note: I am not leaving council, I am simply passing the role on to someone that is more available, and able to take it on.

That'll be all for now. Thank you for your patience (that I probably don't deserve).

Tagging dhelmise to transfer The Main Thread Post, The Sample Teams Post, and The First Post in the Resource Page to Sammy.

 

[SammyCe123]

New post-OMPL, pre-OMCL sample teams! Hope you enjoy them!!
Click on the sprites to get the pokepaste

Offense
- Healing Wish Iron Boulder + Veil HO by Clem
- Salac Gholdengo HO by pannu
- Healing Wish HO by SammyCe123

Why Healing Wish is chosen over Lunar Dance

If Lunar Dance is used on a pokemon that has not taken any damage or status, but has still used a move, then the entire Lunar Dance effect will be consumed. This is generally unfavourable since you would almost always want to use the effect in order to heal a teammate in the back that has been afflicted with status or heavily chipped. Healing Wish would not be used in this situation, and is thus considered optimal on these types of offense teams where this situation is somewhat frequent. An example of this can be seen in this OMPL game on turns 15 and 18.


On more balanced teams, it is significantly less likely to have these situations occur. In these cases, then Lunar Dance is certainly still viable. This is especially true if the balance team uses pokemon that frequently use moves with low pp, such as Walking Wake, Mamoswine and Moongeist Beam Gholdengo variants.

Bulky Offense
- CB Thundurus-I + Specs Walking Wake BO by pannu
- CB Rillaboom BO by QT
- Scarf Latios + Specs Walking Wake BO by QT
- LO Mamoswine + Specs Walking Wake BO by SammyCe123

Balance
- Hydrapple Sand Balance by pannu
- Scarf Darkrai + SD Urshifu-R Balance by pannu
- Scarf Walking Wake + CB Mamoswine Balance by QT

Stall / Semi-Stall
- CB Weavile Semi-Stall by Clem
- Dondozo Clefable Stall by SammyCe123
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