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Are you defending a show with Miles O'TerribadActing and Worf 2.0????

Edit: Not to mention, Jake Sisko, who is on par with Wesley for whiny crybaby who should've stayed home. Seriously all he did was have a fit, get conned by an alien, and star in really bad episodes.
Or Kira who could only glare angrily. The second you had her smile it was like she couldn't act at all....... how awkward to watch.
Or Keiko who was annoying as mess and you couldn't help but hope in one of the numerous episodes where she's in danger she'll finally die in a chemical fire so we can get a good character on the show.
 
Actually...if Franklin can post, he can be lynched, and it is pretty clear he isn't going to be godkilled.

And if Franklin can be lynched...well, I'd be up for lynching him if everyone else wants to. I doubt he will be of much use to the village even if he is as he claims.

That being said, I'm sure Pidge checked him out last night so let's just wait on him to see what he says.

Of course, I'm still leading this village...
 
Are you defending a show with Miles O'TerribadActing and Worf 2.0????

Edit: Not to mention, Jake Sisko, who is on par with Wesley for whiny crybaby who should've stayed home. Seriously all he did was have a fit, get conned by an alien, and star in really bad episodes.
Or Kira who could only glare angrily. The second you had her smile it was like she couldn't act at all....... how awkward to watch.
Or Keiko who was annoying as mess and you couldn't help but hope in one of the numerous episodes where she's in danger she'll finally die in a chemical fire so we can get a good character on the show.

O'Brian was a breakout character because he could act circles around half the main TNG cast. Even though he's a fairly normal character, his DS9 version is still more nuanced than the cast to TNG precisely because he's not superhuman and without imperfection.

Speaking of which, Dorn, whose acting had improved halfway through TNG was already playing with a full deck by DS9. His key character difference in DS9 is that from the very beginning his story isn't some Klingdon pride parade. He's not allowed to kill his brother, something Picard would have allowed (hell, it comes up when he asks Riker to kill him in TNG). By not allowing him to do whatever the fuck he pleases in the name of heritage, and even cutting him off from the empire, they were allowed to drive home an internal conflict of Federation vs. Klingon within him. You know, nuance.

Jake didn't save DS9 every other episode, he wasn't some chosen uber child, he wasn't even a main character. And you think he's even close to as bad as Wesley? Not to mention that they found a pretty good child actor. Stared in bad episodes? You mean like the one about him trying to save his father in alternate future, one of the most critically acclaimed episodes in the show's run?

Can you honestly prefer Riker over Kira, when the former's character development stopped at womanizer? Visitor wasn't the best actress on DS9, but even she could act circles around Frakes. EDIT: Not that she's incapable of putting in good performances, as in Second Skin and Duet (and if you think a show with an episode like Duet is boring, you haven incredibly low taste).

You still haven't addressed Neelix, a character honestly worse than Jar Jar Binks and without the good sense to reduce his role as the show went on (unlike Jar Jar). I really wish I could call Janeway the worst captain in Star Trek history, but there is stiff competition from Archer. With the exception of the Doctor, all the characters on Voyager are bland and they can all fall for the same bad writing decisions. Harry Kim ironically stands out the most, being the most impotent and bland.

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Also, don't wait for an announcement regarding Franklin because one isn't coming. Get to lynching.
 
O'Brian was a breakout character because he could act circles around half the main TNG cast. Even though he's a fairly normal character, his DS9 version is still more nuanced than the cast to TNG precisely because he's not superhuman and without imperfection.
I can't dispute that Troi suffered from piss poor acting but most of the cast was miles ahead of him...
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His character was an annoying runt and his wife was even worse. The only thing his actor was good at was the Irish accent which gave him inflection.. not actual quality.

Speaking of which, Dorn, whose acting had improved halfway through TNG was already playing with a full deck by DS9. His key character difference in DS9 is that from the very beginning his story isn't some Klingdon pride parade. He's not allowed to kill his brother, something Picard would have allowed (hell, it comes up when he asks Riker to kill him in TNG). By not allowing him to do whatever the fuck he pleases in the name of heritage, and even cutting him off from the empire, they were allowed to drive home an internal conflict of Federation vs. Klingon within him. You know, nuance.
True, because the whole Klingon pride parade went to Dax instead..... LOL
Worf was an awful character, all he did was get beat up on TNG. He couldn't win a fight. The Klingon vs. Federation fight was so superfluous.. the whole show was mad people fighting mad people fighting more mad people and it got old to have these neverending wars.

Jake didn't save DS9 every other episode, he wasn't some chosen uber child, he wasn't even a main character. And you think he's even close to as bad as Wesley? Not to mention that they found a pretty good child actor. Stared in bad episodes? You mean like the one about him trying to save his father in alternate future, one of the most critically acclaimed episodes in the show's run?
The child actor was in like 5 minutes of that episode. It was some old guy doing the quality acting in what was one of the very, very few good serious episodes.
Wesley was a terribly written character but at least he bugged off pretty quickly. Jake sat around staring at girls, being bored, trying to be tough, but generally just being a sockpuppet to whatever alien/conman was on that week and whining a lot.

Can you honestly prefer Riker over Kira, when the former's character development stopped at womanizer? Visitor wasn't the best actress on DS9, but even she could act circles around Frakes.
I could say the same thing about Bashir. All he does is chase girls, get rejected, and chase more. Finally by season 7 he bones Dax2. Frakes is not the best actor but at least he doesn't look like (irony) an alien when he smiles.
Kira's story was generally her pining away for some guy, her sleeping with some guy, some guy dying, her fighting some people angrily, rinse and repeat.
As a girl, I have to say she is my least favorite Trek main character female.

You still haven't addressed Neelix, a character honestly worse than Jar Jar Binks and without the good sense to reduce his role as the show went on (unlike Jar Jar). I really wish I could call Janeway the worst captain in Star Trek history, but there is stiff competition from Archer. With the exception of the Doctor, all the characters on Voyager are bland and they can all fall for the same bad writing decisions. Harry Kim ironically stands out the most, being the most impotent and bland.
Neelix was most definitely not worse than Jar Jar 4-6WereBetterMoviesWithoutQuestion. He played a role in interacting with the aliens Voyager had never met before, and though his character was generally placed in the unsavory roles (jealous lover, godfather to everyone under 18 they picked up), his actor at least played the role well.
Janeway was a solid captain, she got the ship home, blew crap up, and didn't afraid of Borg superhubs.
Bakula also played Danny the Cat in Disney's Cats Don't Dance. Watch the series and try to view it without seeing Archer dancing around singing.. which probably could have improved the series.
There's always a neglected character. The Doctor and Seven had some of the best development over time, Paris went from a ladies' man to a family man, and Chakotay stopped chanting Native American tribal songs every episode. Good changes.
The dynamics between Tuvok and Neelix were quality humor.

Easily the best character on DS9 was the comic relief guy, Quark. Everyone else just sort of fades into the background of a mediocre show. Shame, huh?
 
can we have this argument outside of the thread please?
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I could write essays on each character in Deep Space 9, and the most character traits I can assign to the majority of characters on Voyager is "Stupid, Antagonizing, Annoying". Voyager destroyed every ounce of reputation Star Trek had, by having some of the worst episodes of any TV Series ever made. I mean hello, we're talking about the show that spawned Threshold here. And your complaint against DS9 is that it's boring when it's the Star Trek show with an actual story (the closest thing to a plotline in TNG was keeping track of how much scenery John de Lancie could chew).

Speaking of Kira and parts of her character that you glossed over (Her exploits with other men were a part of how much Odo wanted to fuck her, but I guess you didn't get that), how about that part where the Federation shows up and has to work with a race that doesn't initially trust them, something that doesn't ever really go away? Can you defend Voyager when it took the same opportunity with the Maquis and thoroughly dropped it?

I love Scott Bakula, and I wish I could love him as a Star Fleet captain. But he's crazy, and Janeway is so insanely irresponsible it's quite frightening actually. Did you forget that it's her fault her ship got stranded in the first place?

Defending Neelix, really now. You're trolling me. That's what is happening. Nevermind, I get it now.


But by all means polelover, don't less us get in the way of you discussing who to lynch. We wouldn't want you guys to stop all of a sudden.
 
In all honesty, I'd have to say LYNCH UNCLESAM. Gravitating toward the announcer is REALLY common, and it would certainly fit the troll theme if announcer was mafia. Besides, it's not as if we're losing much if we mislynch him; village leaders are far weaker in NOC mafia due to the simple fact that they can't have their own spreadsheets and whatnot. So... yeah. Randlynch is not quite random.
Also, I'm totally not sore at you for moling (then ditching) us in Other M. Not at all.

Wait, huh? Are you claiming that US is an announcer? If so, what is this based on? Because I don't recall any evidence for it appearing in the thread. He certainly has an obvious posting restriction, but I can't find any reference he's made to being an announcer.
 
Oops. I thought he subbed in for the announcer. Lemme double-check...

Oh, dayum, I been smokin' weed. Anyhow, I'm happy for Franklin, and I'mma let him finish, but I'mma have to change my vote to lynchin' him. It's WAY too early for any hooker with a brain stem to come out in the open; I suspect scum.
 
Um Terrador14 your post makes no sense at all. Literally all I have done this day is point out Franklin was "kidnapped" at update in response to smashlloyd's lynch vote, retract that statement since apparently Franklin isn't kidnapped because he posted, and suggest we lynch Franklin like was suggested in the first place. Seriously, I expect you to post what the fuck you were thinking because that post of yours (see Fangren's post above mine) is just so dumb that I honestly cannot fathom what is going through your head.

With that being said, I am FAR more suspicious of jigglypuffers jumping on the first available vote OTHER than Franklin's (who is fairly obviously the lynch target for today, as I will explain later in this post), as she is an experienced player and should've known better/questioned what terrador was thinking.

Now then, Franklin is the obvious lynch today it seems to me, given that it seems he is not in fact kidnapped:
-He claimed to have hooked the only inspector claim thus far, and yet, quite clearly, Pidge's action went through. There are only two options for this: either Pidge is mafia and his inspector teammate inspected Yeti (unlikely, given, again, there is only one inspector claim), or Franklin is lying.
-As a follow-up to this, Franklin lied about his IRC use, as proven by Pidge and reyscarface.
-Even if he is village hooker, does anyone honestly believe he will be of any use to us? He is clearly a complete moron who has made no attempt to contribute anything in the thread.

The only reason I am not going to vote Franklin is because I, unlike the rest of you, am actually going to wait for the only inspector claim to post his results and tell us what to do. Everyone voting on their own makes it seem like they have no interest in hearing what people who are claiming inspectors for the village have to say-not a very village-like quality imo.

With that being said, if the village inspector has not claimed I encourage him to do so. Pidge is going to look VERY clean if he is the only inspector claim, a good thing if he is in fact the village inspector, but I am going to be angry if it is later determined that he is mafia inspector and the village inspector sat by idly while Pidge took control of the village.

With that, let us wait for Pidge/another inspector to step up and tell us what to do. If we don't hear anything, we can lynch Franklin who both lied and was exposed as lying during the last night in order to discredit, again, the only inspector claim.

And terrador/jigglypuffers, either post real reasons for voting me or just admit you are mafia. As it is, you both are already extremely suspicious for trying to start a random roll on someone without the go-ahead from the village leader AND with a proven liar already open as a possibility.

Also leading this village, etc. etc...

EDIT: terrador stealthed me with his change, and I accept his edit because he is fairly new. jigglypuffers, I DO expect an explanation from you.

Still not saying terrador isn't suspicious. Just less so than if he had continued to try and lynch me.

Now...everyone wait for the inspector, whether it is Pidge or someone else. Let's give him...20 hours to step up/lead this lynch before we decide to do anything else. If you guys feel like giving him more/less time, that's fine by me, just my suggestion...
 
Sorry 'bout that. I have no idea how I got you being announcer into my head - After looking at the thread, I can't even see an announcement!
However... US, what gives you the right to lead the village without so much as a claim? I have to say, it just doesn't seem right. Most of us have brains (yours truly excepted :P); why is it necessary for you to step up?
Just Saiyan that it don't make sense to me.
 
Sorry 'bout that. I have no idea how I got you being announcer into my head - After looking at the thread, I can't even see an announcement!
However... US, what gives you the right to lead the village without so much as a claim? I have to say, it just doesn't seem right. Most of us have brains (yours truly excepted :P); why is it necessary for you to step up?
Just Saiyan that it don't make sense to me.

...isn't that just his posting restriction? He's forced to say that he's going to lead the village or something to that effect in each post, regardless of whether or not he wants to lead.
 
I really hope that an inspector steps up, because I don't want Franklin to get lynched as I really like his posting restriction.

I say that the RandLynch should start in ~20 hours like US said.
 
...isn't that just his posting restriction? He's forced to say that he's going to lead the village or something to that effect in each post, regardless of whether or not he wants to lead.

This man is wise...in some respects.

Listen to him.

Though I'm still leading the village.
 
Jiggly if you are "an inspector" why don't you c/p your role pm and results?

Because right now literally all you have said is "trust me I'm an inspector".

Leading village.
 
Well, obviously this is a fucking shit storm. Considering Franklin didn't post his role PM in all caps as well as posting while "'kidnapped" makes me somewhat comfortable with a Franklin lynch.

However, i think we are all being way too hasty and should wait to hear what pidge / another inspector should we have one has to say before just jumping on this bandwagon.

If it becomes apparent that we have nothing else to go on, we can ask for his night targets and we can see if there is some confirmation by his targets about whether they were hooked or not. Thoughts?
 
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