I find it odd how both Mario and Link are lowest tier. Both are designed to be all around characters, so they're harder to use, but I dont see them being last. Mario has advantages with his cape and decent attacks, and Link has his smashs and ok special attacks. Links Final Smash is awesome in 1 on 1, and Marios is good on small stages, so I disagree with them ebing last.
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Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Character and Tier Discussion
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The fact that you mentioned Final Smashes shows that you don't understand competitive play.
Mario just has too many disadvantages compared to advantages against other characters. Meanwhile Link has one of the fastest falling speeds, and shit recovery.
These are the kind of posts you want to laugh at, even though you know it's just due to a lack of knowledge on the poster's part.
So guys what do you think of Metaknight's proposed banning? I think it's a good move, it's tantamount to the removal of Garchomp from OU (which has, on the whole, been viewed as healthy for the metagame in general).
I'd say live with MK until people get sick of it enough and turn to Melee... There's too much defense in it for me and it's getting pretty boring 8 months in...
I think it goes along the lines of, "oh no a character is too strong in a fighting game. ban him." Yeah, I am much against this due to the limited character selection (Yes, 35 is kinda limited. This isn't Pokémon folks.). Players can beat Meta Knight no questions asked. If you remove Meta Knight from play too, nobody will practice with him, devise new techniques, and of course, destroy discussion of him. Since you can't divide this game as of now into a true "tier" game (Banned or Not Banned), it's pointless to go with it.
P.S.: Ganondorf and Captain Falcon are banned. Wait, they're not used (if at all) very often. Looks the same to me.
here's the thing:
banning meta knight will be good for the brawl metagame. very good. it's about either doing something healthy for the meta game or sticking to principles and keeping meta knight in.
mk is good. very good. really fucking good. but is he good enough to get banned? is he unbeatable? ...no. is he really really hard to beat? yes. and the point of that debate is that when someone's unbeatable, that character is stifling the metagame and overcentralizing it. but...isn't being really really hard to beat accomplishing the same thing?
i'd say that in like half a year, we'll know for sure whether this was just a fad or the start of the process toward banning mk.
banning meta knight will be good for the brawl metagame. very good. it's about either doing something healthy for the meta game or sticking to principles and keeping meta knight in.
mk is good. very good. really fucking good. but is he good enough to get banned? is he unbeatable? ...no. is he really really hard to beat? yes. and the point of that debate is that when someone's unbeatable, that character is stifling the metagame and overcentralizing it. but...isn't being really really hard to beat accomplishing the same thing?
i'd say that in like half a year, we'll know for sure whether this was just a fad or the start of the process toward banning mk.
Sonuis:
Diversity is not a great defense as to why MK belongs in competitive play when people start playing characters for the sole reason that they're a supposed "MK counter". It will not create a chain of bans because Snake is really only above D3 and the like because he used to have a favorable matchup vs. MK. You say MK's matchup knowledge will not advance as if it has not been advancing in his favor enough.
Diversity is not a great defense as to why MK belongs in competitive play when people start playing characters for the sole reason that they're a supposed "MK counter". It will not create a chain of bans because Snake is really only above D3 and the like because he used to have a favorable matchup vs. MK. You say MK's matchup knowledge will not advance as if it has not been advancing in his favor enough.
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Alrighty that's enough.
But yes, I've been thinking about it more and more and I feel that Metaknight being banned would be such an incredibly good move for all characters in general. Olimar would get a lot more play (Metaknight is currently his top counter, hands-down, correct?), and I think it would allow for characters like Olimar to get a better chance at tournament play.
Mk has an advantage over almost every character in brawl. I don't fully support the notion of banning him, but I reckon that some limits should be set for MK on tourneys (I'm not specifically talking about glitch limits).
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^How exactly would you set limitations? Saying that you can't use Dsmash or Tornado or all his jumps is kind of like saying that Garchomp is legal but you can't use Swords Dance. It's an integral part to playing MK. The banning will probably be an either black or white situation.
In some ways having MK in the Brawl metagame promotes stallish battle styles. Just about any character with a good projectile can do decently against Meta Knight if they stay at a distance, except for perhaps Bowser (yes, some Bowser users think that he does well against MK). While this is more related to MK destroying anything within range, it is still relevant. All the other non-MK users no longer are extremely outclassed in close combat if MK is banned.
I think its too early to tell whether MK should be banned or not, as many other characters may have a lot of metagame development to go. With ISJR mastered, characters with good aerials have a much higher capability. Compared with the few months after release, Snake seems to have a much shallower metagame than what was once thought.
In some ways having MK in the Brawl metagame promotes stallish battle styles. Just about any character with a good projectile can do decently against Meta Knight if they stay at a distance, except for perhaps Bowser (yes, some Bowser users think that he does well against MK). While this is more related to MK destroying anything within range, it is still relevant. All the other non-MK users no longer are extremely outclassed in close combat if MK is banned.
I think its too early to tell whether MK should be banned or not, as many other characters may have a lot of metagame development to go. With ISJR mastered, characters with good aerials have a much higher capability. Compared with the few months after release, Snake seems to have a much shallower metagame than what was once thought.
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