Approved by Eevee General over both PS and in OM submissions
As you may be aware, March's seasonal was Super Staff Bros.! Since I found the metagame extremely enjoyable, I decided to rip it off and make an edition for Other Metagames! Basically, the initial metagame is all Joim's idea. Similar to the vanilla SSB, there are edgy switch-in/faint phrases.
This metagame is exceptionally easy to implement (as long as you follow my directions). Playing it is even easier, as unlike all of my other Other Metagames, the teams generated are random. Unfortunately, the variety in this metagame isn't like that of Super Staff Bros. due to the community in Other Metas not being large enough to have a lot of staff, but we have enough staff to keep it interesting, at least in my opinion.
So who can you get?
At the current moment, this metagame is implemented on aqua.psim.us, shanghai.psim.us (when it's up), and eos.psim.us, but if you want to implement it on your server, you can find the code here. Copy below the ------ and above the =====, and keep in mind the comma at the end of both implies you're placing this before the end, so if you're placing these at the end, move the comma to the former last thing.
And that's pretty much it. Mostly everyone who's played this metagame seems to think it's a lot of fun, and this was actually a lot of fun to code. As more staff get added or as I notice more staff, this list of possible team members will expand.
I'll also probably be discussing new members here as well and get your guys' opinions on said member, or in the Other Metas room on Pokemon Showdown's main server, so be sure to stick around there/watch the thread! Of course, as shown by ChoonBot and 0Loyd0, even if you're unranked you can get added. If you want to get added to this and feel you have a good enough chat presence in the Other Metagames chatroom or in the Other Metagames/Pet Mod subforums [or are just voice+ in the Other Metagames room], feel free to PM me (with a set if you like, I don't guarantee this will be the set picked), and you may be discussed in this thread or in the OMs room. Of course, popular demand is always an option too
[17:51:13] %Pikachuun: Eevee General would you approve of me making a sub-thread in Joim's seasonal
[17:51:24] %Pikachuun: because making a new thread is probably out of the question for this
[17:51:28] #Eevee General: how would you make a sub thread?
[17:51:40] %Pikachuun: idk
[17:51:41] %Pikachuun: magic
[17:51:50] #Eevee General: no, that's for main server seasonals only
[17:51:53] #Eevee General: just do a new thread
[18:17:55] +Pikachuun: so does this mean I have permission to make an SSB: OM threat
[18:17:56] +Pikachuun: *thread
[18:18:38] @Eevee General: yeah
[18:18:46] @Eevee General: TI *might* disagree but we'll see
[17:51:24] %Pikachuun: because making a new thread is probably out of the question for this
[17:51:28] #Eevee General: how would you make a sub thread?
[17:51:40] %Pikachuun: idk
[17:51:41] %Pikachuun: magic
[17:51:50] #Eevee General: no, that's for main server seasonals only
[17:51:53] #Eevee General: just do a new thread
[18:17:55] +Pikachuun: so does this mean I have permission to make an SSB: OM threat
[18:17:56] +Pikachuun: *thread
[18:18:38] @Eevee General: yeah
[18:18:46] @Eevee General: TI *might* disagree but we'll see
As you may be aware, March's seasonal was Super Staff Bros.! Since I found the metagame extremely enjoyable, I decided to rip it off and make an edition for Other Metagames! Basically, the initial metagame is all Joim's idea. Similar to the vanilla SSB, there are edgy switch-in/faint phrases.
This metagame is exceptionally easy to implement (as long as you follow my directions). Playing it is even easier, as unlike all of my other Other Metagames, the teams generated are random. Unfortunately, the variety in this metagame isn't like that of Super Staff Bros. due to the community in Other Metas not being large enough to have a lot of staff, but we have enough staff to keep it interesting, at least in my opinion.
So who can you get?
#Eevee General heads to war!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Eevee General stars as an Eevee. His signature move, War Crimes, ignores the Geneva Convention and Curses your opponent, as well as Confuses them! However, you lose 25% of your HP as a result. It's also being said that a new second signature move is present as well, which harnesses all of the powers of the Eeveelutions, but not much is known...
#hollywood memes it up!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Hollywood is a beautiful Mr. Mime. His signature move, Meme Mime, increases all of your stats by 1 stage, barring evasion (because really evasion is complete bs)!
~Joim is blessed by le toucan of luck!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Joim is a toucan-tastic Zapdos. His signature move, Red Bull Drink, is a pseudo-one-use move that increases his special attack, speed, and accuracy by 1 stage, in exchange for a drop in evasion by 1 stage!
~The Immortal rules over the meta!
The Immortal has unbound himself in this metagame, becoming an aurum Hoopa-Unbound. His signature move, Primordial Force, is a powerful dark-type attack that ignores substitute, protect, and opposing stat changes! Combine this with Prankster and Copycat and you have a strong threat!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Eevee General stars as an Eevee. His signature move, War Crimes, ignores the Geneva Convention and Curses your opponent, as well as Confuses them! However, you lose 25% of your HP as a result. It's also being said that a new second signature move is present as well, which harnesses all of the powers of the Eeveelutions, but not much is known...
#hollywood memes it up!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Hollywood is a beautiful Mr. Mime. His signature move, Meme Mime, increases all of your stats by 1 stage, barring evasion (because really evasion is complete bs)!
~Joim is blessed by le toucan of luck!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Joim is a toucan-tastic Zapdos. His signature move, Red Bull Drink, is a pseudo-one-use move that increases his special attack, speed, and accuracy by 1 stage, in exchange for a drop in evasion by 1 stage!
~The Immortal rules over the meta!
The Immortal has unbound himself in this metagame, becoming an aurum Hoopa-Unbound. His signature move, Primordial Force, is a powerful dark-type attack that ignores substitute, protect, and opposing stat changes! Combine this with Prankster and Copycat and you have a strong threat!
&verbatim is the one-man council!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, verbatim is an Archeops with no sense of self-preservation. His signature move, Glass Cannon, is quite strong, but has recoil whether you hit or miss!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, verbatim is an Archeops with no sense of self-preservation. His signature move, Glass Cannon, is quite strong, but has recoil whether you hit or miss!
@Arcticblast BEARS HIS ARCTIC BLAST!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Arcticblast is a doubles-friendly Cresselia. His signature move, Doubles Purism, shows the true power of the Doubles metagame, getting rid of all of your hazards in the process!
@BetaHousing finally appears!
BetaHousing is a Poison Heal Azumarill, which we only found out after a lot of coercion. His signature move, Drink's Up, boosts his Special Attack and Special Defense by 1 stage, and heals him by 25% of his maximum health. This is said to increase in power when he's confused, however...
@boTTT automatically responds!
If you're familiar with TalkTakesTime, you're definitely going to be familiar with this guy. boTTT is a Registeel with the signature move Bot Mute, which taunts, torments, embargos, and heal blocks your opponent!
@Dell detects a win!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Dell is the second-best furry Lucario. His signature move, Aura Parry, can sacrifice life for free stat boosts in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, and even potentially Defense and Special Defense!
@imas234 outswegs the opposition!
imas234 is a Swirlix that contributes to the skill factor of this metagame. With his signature move, Defense Swirl, his defense is drastically increased, and dual screens are set on your side of the field! But let's not forget sweg, which is basically Swagger.
@piccolo smokes weed every day!
piccolo is a Fairy/Grass Xerneas that really loves his precious weed. His signature move, dank kush, uses the weed to turn the opponent's ability to White Smoke, in addition to dealing decent damage!
@RosieTheVenusaur creates a party!
Similar to her appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, RosieTheVenusaur is the swaggiest Venusaur you know. Her signature move, Swag Plant, confuses the enemy, deals a hefty chunk of damage, and raises her attack and defense.
@Rekeri goes back to the land before time!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Rekeri is a powerful Tyrantum. His signature move, Land Before Time, is a weaker version of Head Smash that can cause a flinch.
@Snaquaza terrorizes PS!
Snaquaza is a Rayquaza that can actually mega-evolve! However, Snaquaza is too powerful for the meta in this state, and has to use his signature move, Ascension, within 3 turns to ascend to Anything Goes before Smogon bans him! If you use the self-destructing move within the 3 turns, good things happen. Otherwise, you might be in for a bad time...
@unfixable's eyebrows are better than yours!
unfixable is a Cacnea, aka a pretty solid Pokemon. His signature move, Wrath of Cacnea, allows you to gain stat boosts in everything but evasion and confuses the opponent! Use it while the opponent's confused, however, to unleash Cacnea's true wrath...
@Uselesscrab is seriously useless!
Uselesscrab is a Krabby that is useless in every way, shape and form. What? That's it. There's no secret hidden in Splash, what are you talking about?
(@xfix is hurt by the burn!)
(If you're familiar with vanilla Super Staff Bros, this is pretty much the same. xfix is a Xatu; His signature move, (Super Glitch), does all sorts of glitchy effects!).
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Arcticblast is a doubles-friendly Cresselia. His signature move, Doubles Purism, shows the true power of the Doubles metagame, getting rid of all of your hazards in the process!
@BetaHousing finally appears!
BetaHousing is a Poison Heal Azumarill, which we only found out after a lot of coercion. His signature move, Drink's Up, boosts his Special Attack and Special Defense by 1 stage, and heals him by 25% of his maximum health. This is said to increase in power when he's confused, however...
@boTTT automatically responds!
If you're familiar with TalkTakesTime, you're definitely going to be familiar with this guy. boTTT is a Registeel with the signature move Bot Mute, which taunts, torments, embargos, and heal blocks your opponent!
@Dell detects a win!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Dell is the second-best furry Lucario. His signature move, Aura Parry, can sacrifice life for free stat boosts in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, and even potentially Defense and Special Defense!
@imas234 outswegs the opposition!
imas234 is a Swirlix that contributes to the skill factor of this metagame. With his signature move, Defense Swirl, his defense is drastically increased, and dual screens are set on your side of the field! But let's not forget sweg, which is basically Swagger.
@piccolo smokes weed every day!
piccolo is a Fairy/Grass Xerneas that really loves his precious weed. His signature move, dank kush, uses the weed to turn the opponent's ability to White Smoke, in addition to dealing decent damage!
@RosieTheVenusaur creates a party!
Similar to her appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, RosieTheVenusaur is the swaggiest Venusaur you know. Her signature move, Swag Plant, confuses the enemy, deals a hefty chunk of damage, and raises her attack and defense.
@Rekeri goes back to the land before time!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, Rekeri is a powerful Tyrantum. His signature move, Land Before Time, is a weaker version of Head Smash that can cause a flinch.
@Snaquaza terrorizes PS!
Snaquaza is a Rayquaza that can actually mega-evolve! However, Snaquaza is too powerful for the meta in this state, and has to use his signature move, Ascension, within 3 turns to ascend to Anything Goes before Smogon bans him! If you use the self-destructing move within the 3 turns, good things happen. Otherwise, you might be in for a bad time...
@unfixable's eyebrows are better than yours!
unfixable is a Cacnea, aka a pretty solid Pokemon. His signature move, Wrath of Cacnea, allows you to gain stat boosts in everything but evasion and confuses the opponent! Use it while the opponent's confused, however, to unleash Cacnea's true wrath...
@Uselesscrab is seriously useless!
Uselesscrab is a Krabby that is useless in every way, shape and form. What? That's it. There's no secret hidden in Splash, what are you talking about?
(@xfix is hurt by the burn!)
(If you're familiar with vanilla Super Staff Bros, this is pretty much the same. xfix is a Xatu; His signature move, (Super Glitch), does all sorts of glitchy effects!).
%Adrian Marin BH techs u hao!
Adrian Marin BH is a Mr. Mime with the stallish Dragon/Fairy typing. His signature move, Paranoid Stall, heals him, gives him a volatile that heals him even more, cures of him of his status, and then poisons him? Well, his ability is Poison Heal, so that works out.
%CactusCacti challenges the standards!
CactusCacti is an Iron Barbs, Rocky Helmet Maractus that only has Spike moves. His signature move, Spike Canon, does various haxy things depending on how many layers of Spikes and Toxic Spikes you have on your opponent's side of the field!
%E4 Flint hyper-offends the opposition!
E4 Flint is a Tough Claws Deoxys-Attack that has seriously powerful moves at his disposal. His signature move, Hyper Offense, is similar to V-create, except it's STAB and Special!
%Kid Wizard thinks the room sucks!
I have no idea who Kid Wizard is but apparently Eevee General likes him. He is a Delphox, and his signature move, Broken Wand, sets Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and can use Thunderbolt or Ice Beam!
%Kl4ng grinds the competition!
Kl4ng is, well, a Klang with Technician. His signature move, Flint Grinder, is a more powerful Gear Grind that has priority against E4 Flint! Why? Because of the rivalry between the two.
%manu 11 praises Surskit!
manu 11 is a Surskit with some special power. His signature move, Surskit Energy, unleashes the energy of all of the Surskits in the world, dealing Water/Bug damage as well as setting Sticky Web on the opponent's side of the field!
%Peef Rimgar browses his agenda!
Peef Rimgar is a Refrigerate Beartic that has an... interesting gimmick. His signature move, Gay Agenda, does various things depending on the target's gender!
%Pikachuun does some stuff!
Pikachuun is a Pikachu that apparently gets more powerful when he's sent in! His signature move, Moonspeak, does something. I'm not sure what it does, but if you speak moon, feel free to translate!
Adrian Marin BH is a Mr. Mime with the stallish Dragon/Fairy typing. His signature move, Paranoid Stall, heals him, gives him a volatile that heals him even more, cures of him of his status, and then poisons him? Well, his ability is Poison Heal, so that works out.
%CactusCacti challenges the standards!
CactusCacti is an Iron Barbs, Rocky Helmet Maractus that only has Spike moves. His signature move, Spike Canon, does various haxy things depending on how many layers of Spikes and Toxic Spikes you have on your opponent's side of the field!
%E4 Flint hyper-offends the opposition!
E4 Flint is a Tough Claws Deoxys-Attack that has seriously powerful moves at his disposal. His signature move, Hyper Offense, is similar to V-create, except it's STAB and Special!
%Kid Wizard thinks the room sucks!
I have no idea who Kid Wizard is but apparently Eevee General likes him. He is a Delphox, and his signature move, Broken Wand, sets Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and can use Thunderbolt or Ice Beam!
%Kl4ng grinds the competition!
Kl4ng is, well, a Klang with Technician. His signature move, Flint Grinder, is a more powerful Gear Grind that has priority against E4 Flint! Why? Because of the rivalry between the two.
%manu 11 praises Surskit!
manu 11 is a Surskit with some special power. His signature move, Surskit Energy, unleashes the energy of all of the Surskits in the world, dealing Water/Bug damage as well as setting Sticky Web on the opponent's side of the field!
%Peef Rimgar browses his agenda!
Peef Rimgar is a Refrigerate Beartic that has an... interesting gimmick. His signature move, Gay Agenda, does various things depending on the target's gender!
%Pikachuun does some stuff!
Pikachuun is a Pikachu that apparently gets more powerful when he's sent in! His signature move, Moonspeak, does something. I'm not sure what it does, but if you speak moon, feel free to translate!
+aesf ladders BH flawlessly!
aesf is a Prankster Groudon with a sick twist. His signature move is Assist... which always calls Thousand Arrows, just like when he ladders! Combine this with his Choice Band for serious power.
+DreMZ 420 BLAZES IT!
DreMZ is a Grass/Fire type Oddish, and just like piccolo, he has the power of weed on his side. His signature move, 420 BLAZE IT, is a Grass/Fire move with 420 BP, 420 Accuracy, and 420 PP! However, DreMZ often dies after blazing it due to the 420/420 recoil damage being dealt back to him, and if he doesn't, he gets burnt and has his attack lowered by 420 stages!
+Illusio changes his name... again!
Illusio is an Illusion Chatot, so you'll never know what he is until you send him out! His signature move, Name Change, not only has the effects of Chatter, but even transforms into your opponent! Talk about a name change.
+imanalt frees Gen V BH!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, imanalt is the prankster Rhydon we all know and love. His signature move, FREE GEN V BH, is Gen V's Nature Power! Time for the Earthquake spam we're all familiar with!
+insanelegend is illumimodi confirmed!
insanelegend is a "legendary" Normal/Water Bidoof. So "legendary," that he can access every legendary's signature move! His own signature move, Bidoof Army, summons an army of Bidoofs to trap the opponent and poison it!
+Kit Kasai is 3spooky5meta!
Kit Kasai is an Illusion Chandelure, similar to that of her RMT. Her signature move, Kagome Kagome, functions similar to Judgment, but it has a chance to burn as well.
+lcass4919 summons the might of Xatu!
lcass4919 is an Aerilate Xatu. His signature move, Smiting of Xatu, calls the Xatu gods he worships from above to smite his enemies with Psychic/Normal type (which becomes Psychic/Flying type) lightning.
+Leafshield literally makes leaf shields!
Leafshield is a Drought Sceptile that can Mega-Evolve into a Chlorophyll Mega-Sceptile! His signature move, Leaf Shield, functions like Spiky Shield, but raises defense by 2 stages too!
+Lucina09 is a cute Anime Girl!
Lucina09 is an adorable Normal/Fairy Minccino. Her signature move, Anime Girl, embraces the cuteness into a decently powerful attack that increases attack and speed! It even grows stronger as you use it more.
+Mamp VOTES FOR AVERAGEMONS!
Mamp is an average Ampharos. So average, in fact, that he has 100 for every base stat! His signature move, Rare Pepe, determines whether the opponent will vote for Averagemons or not. If they will, it will heal them fully and cure their status ailments. If they won't, it becomes a pretty strong attack that also confuses them!
+Ransei is an innovamania clone!
Exactly as it says on the tin, Ransei is an innovamania clone, aka an Arceus. His signature move, Alt Change, causes Ransei to self-destruct... but does absolutely nothing to the opponent. Surely, one of the most powerful moves in this meta.
+shaymin haxes the opposition!
Similar to her appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, shaymin is the most skillful Shaymin you'll ever see. Her signature move, Flower Garden, raises her defense, special attack, and special defense, and even converts her to land forme!
+SpartanMalice theorizes a win!
SpartanMalice is a Magic Guard Charizard that loves to think about what can happen. His signature move, Theorymon, allows him to bring the ideas of various metagames to life!
aesf is a Prankster Groudon with a sick twist. His signature move is Assist... which always calls Thousand Arrows, just like when he ladders! Combine this with his Choice Band for serious power.
+DreMZ 420 BLAZES IT!
DreMZ is a Grass/Fire type Oddish, and just like piccolo, he has the power of weed on his side. His signature move, 420 BLAZE IT, is a Grass/Fire move with 420 BP, 420 Accuracy, and 420 PP! However, DreMZ often dies after blazing it due to the 420/420 recoil damage being dealt back to him, and if he doesn't, he gets burnt and has his attack lowered by 420 stages!
+Illusio changes his name... again!
Illusio is an Illusion Chatot, so you'll never know what he is until you send him out! His signature move, Name Change, not only has the effects of Chatter, but even transforms into your opponent! Talk about a name change.
+imanalt frees Gen V BH!
Similar to his appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, imanalt is the prankster Rhydon we all know and love. His signature move, FREE GEN V BH, is Gen V's Nature Power! Time for the Earthquake spam we're all familiar with!
+insanelegend is illumimodi confirmed!
insanelegend is a "legendary" Normal/Water Bidoof. So "legendary," that he can access every legendary's signature move! His own signature move, Bidoof Army, summons an army of Bidoofs to trap the opponent and poison it!
+Kit Kasai is 3spooky5meta!
Kit Kasai is an Illusion Chandelure, similar to that of her RMT. Her signature move, Kagome Kagome, functions similar to Judgment, but it has a chance to burn as well.
+lcass4919 summons the might of Xatu!
lcass4919 is an Aerilate Xatu. His signature move, Smiting of Xatu, calls the Xatu gods he worships from above to smite his enemies with Psychic/Normal type (which becomes Psychic/Flying type) lightning.
+Leafshield literally makes leaf shields!
Leafshield is a Drought Sceptile that can Mega-Evolve into a Chlorophyll Mega-Sceptile! His signature move, Leaf Shield, functions like Spiky Shield, but raises defense by 2 stages too!
+Lucina09 is a cute Anime Girl!
Lucina09 is an adorable Normal/Fairy Minccino. Her signature move, Anime Girl, embraces the cuteness into a decently powerful attack that increases attack and speed! It even grows stronger as you use it more.
+Mamp VOTES FOR AVERAGEMONS!
Mamp is an average Ampharos. So average, in fact, that he has 100 for every base stat! His signature move, Rare Pepe, determines whether the opponent will vote for Averagemons or not. If they will, it will heal them fully and cure their status ailments. If they won't, it becomes a pretty strong attack that also confuses them!
+Ransei is an innovamania clone!
Exactly as it says on the tin, Ransei is an innovamania clone, aka an Arceus. His signature move, Alt Change, causes Ransei to self-destruct... but does absolutely nothing to the opponent. Surely, one of the most powerful moves in this meta.
+shaymin haxes the opposition!
Similar to her appearance in the vanilla Super Staff Bros, shaymin is the most skillful Shaymin you'll ever see. Her signature move, Flower Garden, raises her defense, special attack, and special defense, and even converts her to land forme!
+SpartanMalice theorizes a win!
SpartanMalice is a Magic Guard Charizard that loves to think about what can happen. His signature move, Theorymon, allows him to bring the ideas of various metagames to life!
ChoonBot o3o!
ChoonBot is a Pichu that's just here because I made the bot originally for the purpose of Battle Dome + OMs. His signature move, $dicegame, rolls a 6-sided die to determine how powerful the move is! Hopefully you roll a plot device.
0Loyd0 shows us his moves!
0Loyd0 is a Captain Falcon- imean Blaziken. Each of his moves do various effects, based on the captain himself! His signature move, Falcon Punch, is an extremely powerful Fire-type Focus Punch! There are several variations for each of his moves too!
+word wins the SSB: OM tournament!
word is a Slowking that was tailored to his playstyle, sort of. His signature move, Tour Win, allows him to win a tour, allowing him to switch out while lowering the opponent's attack, defense, and special defense, while raising the next teammate's speed!
ChoonBot is a Pichu that's just here because I made the bot originally for the purpose of Battle Dome + OMs. His signature move, $dicegame, rolls a 6-sided die to determine how powerful the move is! Hopefully you roll a plot device.
0Loyd0 shows us his moves!
0Loyd0 is a Captain Falcon- imean Blaziken. Each of his moves do various effects, based on the captain himself! His signature move, Falcon Punch, is an extremely powerful Fire-type Focus Punch! There are several variations for each of his moves too!
+word wins the SSB: OM tournament!
word is a Slowking that was tailored to his playstyle, sort of. His signature move, Tour Win, allows him to win a tour, allowing him to switch out while lowering the opponent's attack, defense, and special defense, while raising the next teammate's speed!
At the current moment, this metagame is implemented on aqua.psim.us, shanghai.psim.us (when it's up), and eos.psim.us, but if you want to implement it on your server, you can find the code here. Copy below the ------ and above the =====, and keep in mind the comma at the end of both implies you're placing this before the end, so if you're placing these at the end, move the comma to the former last thing.
And that's pretty much it. Mostly everyone who's played this metagame seems to think it's a lot of fun, and this was actually a lot of fun to code. As more staff get added or as I notice more staff, this list of possible team members will expand.
I'll also probably be discussing new members here as well and get your guys' opinions on said member, or in the Other Metas room on Pokemon Showdown's main server, so be sure to stick around there/watch the thread! Of course, as shown by ChoonBot and 0Loyd0, even if you're unranked you can get added. If you want to get added to this and feel you have a good enough chat presence in the Other Metagames chatroom or in the Other Metagames/Pet Mod subforums [or are just voice+ in the Other Metagames room], feel free to PM me (with a set if you like, I don't guarantee this will be the set picked), and you may be discussed in this thread or in the OMs room. Of course, popular demand is always an option too
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