in swsh I remember a pretty long period where any Stall team was required to run Ditto due to HO setup spam making the teamstyle very inconsistent otherwise
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]
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Isnt easier to start the next day with the SAME account.. you are 19-1 not 2-18
probs would depend on the day I’ve trashed 3 accounts at 17-1 never been 19-1
I agree, however in the context of the video he posted, there really wasn't much this gen that got buffed (in early SV) from past gens. With recover, knock off, scald, and toxic removed from nearly every mon that had them, this gen was a huge nerf to most old play styles. I can't think of many mons that got ACTUAL good buffs in pre-HOME SV, so I can see his argument.
What do we think about Chomp in the Home meta? I haven’t seen it much. I fear he may drop UU… we’re losing the OU staples…
use the better ground and dragon mons
Next month he might drop but so will a bunch of other OU staples, he'll rise back up after everyone's had their fun with the new options. Still OU worthy even if he's not metagame defining anymore. 2-3 good sets to choose from
Chomp is still a monster. The set I use is sub/sd/eq/stone edge with tera fairy to bait infiltrator pult. Works really well on a screens offense team, but could be good on its own as well.
yeah, tier shifts immediately after a major meta change can basically be disregarded in terms of how viable something is. half of ou dropped the month after crown tundra but they all came back
restart for sure
Yeah, definitely start over.
In fact, if you get 20-8-like records 3 times in a row, I'd call it quits completely for that suspect round. And by "completely", I mean no more alts (or all your next alts for that round will go 20-8, too).
I'm going 13-5 right now, and my dreams of getting reqs for OU for the first time are officially in the toilet given that my Gen 9 OU GXEs for both my alt and main are already similar, and I'm peaking out at 1500s right now. Not to mention that low ladder is already half-filled with decent teams piloted decently that I lose against with the same team that got me to 1500s in the first place.
It took me a while to ever be able to get reqs, but you honestly don't have to be that good of a player. If you go 20-8 three times in a row at least switch your team to see if that makes a difference. A good team could easily get you to a spot where you could potentially get reqs, or at least get some good practice playing people a little above you skill level
Gen 8 was one of the gens I enjoyed the most. I feel like it emphasizes the importance of having a good game plan and adapting to the threats your opponent brings rather than just clicking Z-move/Tera and blowing past your counters. More offensive metas like gen 7 or gen 9 rn are also very fun to play, but not for the same reasons. Gen 8 feels like playing chess while gen 7/9 feels like playing street fighter. Understandably, not everyone likes to play longer matches but it also means you usually have more chances to comeback and more possibilities to make plays. I also feel like gen 8's meta is often wrongly depicted as very slow and stally when in reality balance is by far the best archetype (which in my opinion is the hallmark of a healthy metagame, HO and Stall being kind of "degenerate" extreme playstyles) and every turn matters a lot, even if you don't get kills right away. Racking up chip, finding opportunities to get your hazards or get them off, often ending in tense endgames as both players try to clean up with their sweepers. It's really not as boring as people seem to think. Quite the opposite, actually.
Normally, I'd expect that if you're that desperate to get reqs, by the 3rd fresh alt, you'd want to switch teams after the second 20-8.
Incidentally, I generally can't seem to successfully steal OU teams; I tried stealing a rain team before (in a previous gen) and kept going around 50/50 with it. (It's easier to steal or steal and modify OM teams, but that's partially because I only do this for roomtours when I don't know the OM or my knowledge of it is incredibly outdated and partially because OM player bases are that much smaller.)
What are people's thoughts on Zama-H? It seems really strong RN being able to invalidate a lot of physical mons with iron defense, while also being able to hit hard thanks to body press. Thanks to Tera, checks like choice scarf Enamorus or booster energy Iron Valiant need to be ready fo tera steel iron head Zama or a large number of ghost and psychic types like Gholdengo or Slowking-Galar can be beaten down with Tera Dark Crunch. It can also make use of Substitute to bypass any status moves. Dragapult can bypass substitute and burn with Will-O-Wisp, but Zama can run tera fire to avoid getting burned. Physically defensive Skeledrige and Physically defensive haze toxapex seem like the best counters to it RN, but both of those don't want to risk a defense drop from crunch. Curse Dondozo does at least deal with it pretty well and consistently.
It seems like the only thing holding back Zama RN is the fact that it doesn't have enough moveslots to deal with all of its counters and checks, but oftentimes it seems like you're forced to run one of the aformentioned mons if you don't want your team to get swept by it. And even if you do, some of its checks need to be wary of tera.
This is just talking about the most popular iron defense set, Zama can also run choice band which can 2HKO physically defensive Toxapex
252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 148-176 (48.6 - 57.8%) -- 52.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Or 3HKO physically defensive Great Tusk
252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Great Tusk: 165-195 (38 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
I'm not saying that Zamazenta-Hero should be banned, but it looks like it will be one of the most dangerous mons in OU if it stays.
It seems like the only thing holding back Zama RN is the fact that it doesn't have enough moveslots to deal with all of its counters and checks, but oftentimes it seems like you're forced to run one of the aformentioned mons if you don't want your team to get swept by it. And even if you do, some of its checks need to be wary of tera.
This is just talking about the most popular iron defense set, Zama can also run choice band which can 2HKO physically defensive Toxapex
252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 148-176 (48.6 - 57.8%) -- 52.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Or 3HKO physically defensive Great Tusk
252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Great Tusk: 165-195 (38 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
I'm not saying that Zamazenta-Hero should be banned, but it looks like it will be one of the most dangerous mons in OU if it stays.
just watched this game on ladder,
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1884581146
looks like we are about to see a lot more of the gambit lol.
Honestly keen to see zam stay in OU just because it suppresses gambit dominance a little … even so gambit only needs a Tera to break through zamazenta lol.
people out here wanting to ban Volcarona when this chess move is only getting more difficult with each ban before it (as opposed to volc, which literally became easier to manage with each ban).
fr, if you’re not running a very bulky gambit resist on your team, how the hell are you dealing with it? 50/50s don’t count.
just for the sake of a comparison: Volcarona with a good Tera surprise could get +2 and runaway, but maybe still be revenged or fail to OHKO a wall. Meanwhile due to what gambit lures out, a good Tera surprise is a +4 (*multiplied by supreme overlord) to its attack, and then you’re lucky to win only if the coin flips go your way.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1884581146
Gambit breaks through part of a team, then opposing gambit counter breaks through the other team.
looks like we are about to see a lot more of the gambit lol.
Honestly keen to see zam stay in OU just because it suppresses gambit dominance a little … even so gambit only needs a Tera to break through zamazenta lol.
people out here wanting to ban Volcarona when this chess move is only getting more difficult with each ban before it (as opposed to volc, which literally became easier to manage with each ban).
fr, if you’re not running a very bulky gambit resist on your team, how the hell are you dealing with it? 50/50s don’t count.
just for the sake of a comparison: Volcarona with a good Tera surprise could get +2 and runaway, but maybe still be revenged or fail to OHKO a wall. Meanwhile due to what gambit lures out, a good Tera surprise is a +4 (*multiplied by supreme overlord) to its attack, and then you’re lucky to win only if the coin flips go your way.
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I think gambit performs very well rn because offense is dominating the ladder. It's not as good against balance teams which often have more than 1 check for it. Not sure he's suspect worthy, at least not at the moment, although it's definitely very solid.
Gambit has never been remotely banworthy, it's just a good pokemon that deals with a lot of other things
F'real. I'm running Healing Wish on Enamorus on this team almost exclusively to make sure Iron Hands can be topped off for the final confrontation, but even that isn't reliable if they've managed to preserve their Tera -- especially if running techs like Low Kick or Tera Blast. This problem is made worse by the fact that Supreme Overlord encourages you to not bring Gambit in too early, reducing your ability to scout the set and know what to preserve.
Basically, you need to create enough pressure to force your opponent to use their Tera early and/or to need Gambit as an early sponge (which: great, another thing to drive Gholdengo usage). Otherwise, you're never entirely out of the woods.
edit: Also, I saw you watching one of my matches the other day, Ctann, and I felt like a mild celebrity
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