I swear to fucking god if that egg eater gets toxic thats it
Metas over, shits gonna be Stall City. it was nice having gen 9 be ou, now gen 1 is at it again
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]
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Metas over, shits gonna be Stall City. it was nice having gen 9 be ou, now gen 1 is at it again
Honestly, when everything Points to a November release date on DLC 2 it makes ZERO sense to do any unbans, maybe volc at the most. All it does is extend the time needed for the meta to settle.
the top 5 mons in the meta right now are:
- a steel-type that is, obviously, immune to toxic
- a physical fighting-type
- a mixed fighting-type that runs close combat
- a mon that's immune to toxic and seismic toss and also runs trick scarf sometimes
- fucking baxcalibur
I mean crippling Tusk and not giving free turns to non-Steel/Poisons types is a big plus and the reason Blissey and Chansey remained Stall staples for decades.
it's a big plus, sure, but it's not some sort of magical silver bullet that suddenly turns the meta into stall city
True, but it certainly makes Blissey better.
Though I doubt Gamefreak would give every mon Toxic back. It was an oversight from the dev team and since Gen 8, Gamefreak has limited Toxic distribution to only Poison types and a select few candidates. Broken ass move, imagine if Ting-Lu can cripple Tusk and the birds. Not a fun thought.
imagine if chansey got toxic and blissey somehow didn't
tbf it puts three of those on a timer, though obviously the eggs would have to be paired with something that can switch in on their attacks. if Volc returns and/or if we get more broken special attackers in the new mons those also get dealt with (unless they run sub or taunt)
Aim literally said in the short “before you worry about Chansey and Blissey getting Toxic again, we don’t know how it’s going to be distributed” lmao
1. What new mons are you looking forward to seeing the most? Clefable (either DLC 1 or 2)
2. What new mons are you not looking forward to seeing? (None)
3. How do you feel about the current survey and if you would like to share your response, then how do you feel about those Ubers returning to OU? (Did)
4. Are there any other Ubers you believe could have a chance at returning to OU that were not listed in the survey? (Volc was listed, I would say Magearna maybe but that's a hard maybe it depends on the other mons that get released)
5. Are there any mons currently in OU that you believe will get even stronger with DLC? Baxcalibur won't get stopped regardless of all the mons coming out.
6. Are there any mons currently in OU that you believe will get weaker or less viable with DLC? Garchomp most likely it's pretty fringe at the moment unless it gets some new moves.
7. Today is September 7th, so I'm ending this on question #7 and will ask, are you are having a nice day? I'm having a great day thanks for asking TPP
2. What new mons are you not looking forward to seeing? (None)
3. How do you feel about the current survey and if you would like to share your response, then how do you feel about those Ubers returning to OU? (Did)
4. Are there any other Ubers you believe could have a chance at returning to OU that were not listed in the survey? (Volc was listed, I would say Magearna maybe but that's a hard maybe it depends on the other mons that get released)
5. Are there any mons currently in OU that you believe will get even stronger with DLC? Baxcalibur won't get stopped regardless of all the mons coming out.
6. Are there any mons currently in OU that you believe will get weaker or less viable with DLC? Garchomp most likely it's pretty fringe at the moment unless it gets some new moves.
7. Today is September 7th, so I'm ending this on question #7 and will ask, are you are having a nice day? I'm having a great day thanks for asking TPP
i personally think baxcalibur will get a lot less relevant in ou because it will be banned. that tends to kinda kill a mon's ou usage
see, i was thinking garchomp too, but signs point to a possible return of isle of armor moves, which means there's the potential for it to get scale shot back and regain some of its former glory
Yeah I was not a fan of how easy it was to click Toxic to make progress last gen. Ting-Lu seems like it would be a strong progress maker since Toxic + Ruination lets it completely own Zapdos and Moltres, but on the flipside, if would also be greatly nerfed since Zapdos and Moltres can just Toxic it on the switch-in, undercutting its bulk and putting it on a timer. I'd say the biggest Pokemon to nerfed by a universal Toxic would be Pokemon like Ting-Lu and Dondozo since they don't have reliable recovery and Toxic lets anything undercut their massive bulk over the course of a match. It would likely centralize the meta towards Pokemon that are already good like Gholdengo.
Yeah, toxic was really stupid in last gen. Why did everything learn it? It's just so stupid. If Ting-Lu got toxic is would be insane and blissey would probably come back to ou if it got toxic. Literally, toxic distribution could make or break gen 9 ou.
Without counting Ting-Lu not only could make the progression faster as Magcargo said, but already with its natural bulk could easily stall the enemy while stacking hazards and doing damage through moves like Heavy Slam/Throat Chop as not only Ruination
toxic + ruination puts massive pressure on anything that isn't a steel-type and eq puts pressure on those. i think toxic might actually break ting-lu if it does get it
Maybe? But then Ting-Lu will have massive 4MSS. It'll still want Spikes/SR and/or Whirlwind, so it will have to drop something important to fit Toxic. We're also getting Gliscor back, which can very consistently switch into Ting-Lu and use Knock Off (it's a level-up move) to massively cripple it.
i think toxic is good enough at forcing switches for ting-lu to run it over whirlwind. the trade-off of not being able to directly force switches is balanced out by the ability to force progress whether or not the opponent switches—either they stay in and take extra toxic damage and probably eat a ruination, or they switch and let another mon run into the spikes (which i can safely assume there are 3 layers of on both sides because this is gen 9) and probably also eat a ruination
OK, I see this all the time and I'd like to say something about it
4MSS is when a pokemon has all the coverage it needs, but can't fit it all in only 4 moveslots. An example of this would be Mega Lucario in gen 6 Ubers: it's walled by Pex and Ho-oh with its STABs, but has EQ and Stone Edge, but it can't fit swords dance which makes it too weak.
Ting-Lu will NOT have 4MSS. It will have OPTIONS. Sure, it can't immediately force setup out without Whirlwind, but Toxic is so much of a better move that Whirlwind becomes the slashed move. It will still do its job, and well, even without Whirlwind, but Whirlwind becomes an option if your team needs it. It's like how you wouldn't say Regieleki has 4MSS if it got Smeargle movepool, because it can dominate with just BoltBeam, but now it has options to break past Gastrodon/Quag and etc.
oh don't be disingenuous, we all know that there's a clear difference between the route 1 mon with 85/77/77 bulk and the legendary with 155/125/80 and vessel of ruin
Diggersby @ Leftovers
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 8 Atk / 248 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Super Fang
- Spikes
Exactly, it's just like gen 8 diggersby, which got banned from OU because it was so broken using toxic + super fang + earthquake. Ting-Lu is only slightly bulkier than diggersby and slightly weaker so it would probably also get banned from ou. Unfortunately, ting-lu can't outspeed max speed or even no speed heatran, but diggersby can. Diggersby was so broken that 90% of the community banned it. For some reason everyone forgot it existed though...
Sorry, I didn't mean to be disingenuous. I agree with you that ting-lu is going to be insane with toxic, I was just making a joke.
yeah, i could tell it was a joke, but to me it kinda read like you were making fun of my position. sorry for misinterpreting it that way. if you'd led with "you know what's even more broken?" instead of "it's just like", then i probably would have gotten the correct reading of itSorry, I didn't mean to be disingenuous. I agree with you that ting-lu is going to be insane with toxic, I was just making a joke.
I will fix my mistake. Also, you know what else would be better with toxic? HEATRAN!!! FREE TOXICTRAN!!!!
toxic heatran would actually be a really important stallbreaker in a meta that's actually balanced so i unironically agree with this
With no release date for DLC2 at this stage, I'm very curious how exactly do you figure 'everything' points to that month.
Selling a new Pokemon game around the holidays has been a big Thing for many years at this point. I wouldn't bet the farm on it or anything, but I think a new season pass SKU that has the game both DLCs, like the SwSh one in 2021, is a pretty safe bet.
Whether or not they actually hit their late November - early December target is another thing, but they're sure as hell going to be trying.
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