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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3
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Yeah, imagine all of the
mandibuzz cannot threaten ghold out idk what to tell you. I was a believer but then I saw the calcs and it's just free plots
After I spammed weather for a solid 10 days I can confidently say that kingambit is the problem fr
After spamming the same braindead Firepon Veil team with a bulky Tera Fairy Kingambit on it for the week that Firepon has been available for, I can also say Kingambit is still the problem.
Fellow brother, we must ban kingambit
A free swords dance just for being the last mon standing is fair, sure
I'm surprised the dude lived suspect
I'm surprised the dude lived suspect
Normally I'd laugh but I would be genuinely surprised if some people DIDN'T complain about a gambit quickban
Obviously with what happened with Volcarona a Kingambit QB won't happen, but it wouldn't be nearly as bad as Volc. Volc had a significant number of people thinking it was fine, and it wasn't seen as the most obviously banworthy thing in the huge number of problematic HOME drops. I have not seen anyone in this forum defend Kingambit since it survived, and it stands out even among the chaotic clusterfest of the current meta. Not saying it should happen, but people would react more favorably than last time.
It's actually only equal to a +1 boost instead of a +2, but yeah.
It's very explicable though. There was a suspect and the ban movement failed.
Also, I'm sympathetic to those that think Gambit is too powerful, but let's stop acting like it's an unambiguous bad in the tier and that a lot of people wouldn't be upset if it was suddenly removed after failing to get banned in a suspect. Removing this thing from the tier would have massive implications, especially in a community that is already whining incessently about Gholdengo.
Kingambit will be banished into
We exist, we just know that we'll get yelled it by everyone for saying he isn't broken.
I get why people hate it, but to me it's believe it or not, one of the few things making Ogerpon and a lot of other new threats manageable for me. Being able to sucker punch and kill it from a high percent is a godsend when it thinks it can sweep.
Also, there's just so much counterplay to it now. Everyone is running encore now. You have to burn a tera not to get potentially one shot buy Bloodmoon Vacuumn Wave. Everyone is running fast will-o-wisp. There's no way to beat Dondozo ever except with Tera Dark Fallen 5. Iron Valiant is more prominent than ever. It's got 4MSS, and I actually ran into a Gambit that ran Sucker Punch/Iron Head/Low Kick instead of Kowtow, but because it didn't have it, Toxapex walled it completely.
I mean look, all that would be a great argument if Kingambit could only Tera into Dark. Considering it can Tera into any other type and get extra coverage makes almost all of those issues complete non-issues. Also, saying Kingambit has 4MSS when literally all it needs to do the things it’s the best at is Kowtow/Sucker/Swords Dance and whatever coverage you want is dumb.
“Well, it’s Tera that’s the problem then”, I completely agree, but if Tera doesn’t end up going (even though it should imo) then Kingambit with Tera still here is not healthy in the slightest. And giving the Gen 2 Snorlax reason for it being “healthy” by checking the other questionable shit in the meta doesn’t really make its case any better.
imo the key difference is that Volc was banned for WCOP while Kingambit would be (at this stage) for meta development
maybe if the tier falls apart if gambit is banned, we should ban gambit and then put the parts back together
Ban later
I’m not suggesting Gambit should be banned, just pointing out the differences
why tho
The metagame will once again change, many new pokemon will be added, and the question of whether or not Gambit needs to go will be a different one.
Ogerpon Hearthflame go bye bye
Have fun in Ubers firepon, I am sure it will find a niche on teams running Groudon or Koraidon, as it hits obnoxiously hard in Sun if it can get a trailblaze off
so we can retest him in OU. we don't need to make the current meta objectively worse just because he might not be a problem in the future
Ability Shield Heatran, Ability Shield Ceruledge/Armarouge and Tera Grass Ability Shield Daschbun.
That’s the list. All invalidated by Knock Off.
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