Orthworm @ Leftovers
Ability: Earth Eater
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Iron Defense
- Rest
Best I could come up with.
I actually think Hawlucha can be a bit of a trap in grassy terrain teams (compared to some of the risk free cheese we've seen this gen.) It pigeonholes you into an HO type structure, because it can only do its thing once and is tera reliant on coverage or can't break past stuff if it is running encore, so you need to build/play carefully to enable it. Not a necessarily a bad thing, HO has been the dominant play-style this gen for a reason, but stuff like Zamazenta can also do a very good job on grassy terrain, and stacking fairy weaknesses is an issue with teams this gen with all the dominant dragon/dark/fighting type mons. A lot of bulky mons without consistent recovery like dog, tusk, raging bolt, manaphy, hat like terrain recovery. Bolt, gouging fire and ghold love terrain halving EQ's damage as well. Some of these mons use grassy seed + setup to become unkillable setup sweepers as well, which is where things can get cheap. Rilla also is never run without glide, so that is a non-issue. Terrain may not be the most dominant playstyle at the moment, but it is still good and quite consistent.
Tera blast ban would be really good, but that is my bias speaking up. I hate the move, it feels really cheap and adds to the chaos. I get that volc is also matchup fishy, but it offers a fair bit defensively; unfortunately, it is a bit much with tera and tera blast. Either being banned would improve things.
Sticky Barb Clef is my favorite one. Dozo is the easy answer and if Moon's running taunt then it can't beat Gambit. Taunt is more likely when Moon's paired with Gambit so that's bit of a tell. Really any balance team with good pivoting physical walls + strong priority user can deal with Moon. Some other physically bulky mons like Garg can as well with tera in the mix. RH Lando is probably the best and can heavily damage Moon if they don't tera. If they do tera fly then Bolt and Gambit have a much easier time killing it. Dragonite will always beat Moon generally. Weavile has the most consistent priority for it and with tera ice, Moon doesn't need much chip beforehand to die. Even things like CB tera grass glide will do ~50% to Moon resisted. I don't find that using tera to beat it is a problem since Moon is extremely likely to tera itself. That's a fair trade but not a requirement to beat it. Another good way of limiting it is entry hazards + status because of how much Moon hates being chipped. Forcing it out in any way makes it much less scary to deal with the second time too.
Thanks for the response. It’s funny because I feel the opposite when using balance. I disagree with sticky barb clef as a switch in as Tera flying 2HKOs max def and that goes back to my point that it always requires you sack at least one Mon (or Tera to survive a hit). Sticky barb also doesn’t work if you switch it into a knock off. I will keep an eye out for the Roaring Moon-Gambit pairing but having to pair Dozo and Gambit on the same team seems for counter play incredibly restrictive to me. But that goes back to my issues with the meta that typical balance feels very difficult to build.
Kingambit is using terablast?
it has used tera blast fairy p often for since last summer. it has been all over the ladder and tournaments. you surely have seen it if you are playing the tier
Oh okay, thanks.
i mean, i believe you about tours, but i don't see tera blast on the stats page for it on mid or high ladder:
volcarona
Moves |
| Quiver Dance 99.667% |
| Tera Blast 76.542% |
| Fiery Dance 58.579%Tera Blast being that much higher than Fiery Dance is crazy.
I would imagine its because Tera Blast is effectively an auto include while you have a few fire moves to choose from. Fiery Dance is prooobably best, but Flamethrower shows up often enough to skew things away from Dance alone.
Yeah, I've seen Flamethrower and even Fire Blast at times from people who I guess either wanted more immediate power, didn't want Fiery Dance's stupid coin flip SpA boost that proves that, no, heads isn't "inevitable" strictly speaking, and/or just wanted to see the world Burn (status) like psychos when Flame Body wasn't enough. So between that and Tera Blast essentially being Hidden Power on steroids as long as you're willing to Tera on one of the mons that already benefits from Tera the most, it's not that surprising really even if Fiery Dance is still the most common Fire move overall.
Volcanion's merits again this gen (before they miss a vital Steam Eruption or Fire Blast and die and then hyperbolically talk about how trash it is with 100% certainty).As long as they don't have an item, which Moon never does because Booster, they get the barb. This works even with knock off. Not an outright counter but it's a good way to make progress against it. Moonblast one shots if Moon doesn't tera, has access to t-wave to cripple it, generally the pink blob is annoying for it to deal with. I brought up Taunt because that can potentially beat certain Dozo sets but you're not required to run Gambit/Dozo. Lando/Corv/Mola/Gliscor are all good for chipping it and getting something in to kill it.
It’s just another attempt at ignoring the real problem with the meta, unfortunately. We saw this coming.
how bout no.
it’s rather easy to get going. Not sure where you get that from. Trying to encore it can get risky and phasing reliably is limited to Ting Lu who takes a lot of damage just to do so once.
I mean, bad example, but Gambit also gets to pick its counters and it is running freely.
I think that's then a issue with Gambit, rather than not an issue with Volc. If something is able to vastly change its counterplay by selecting one move/tera type, then that is extremely unhealthy.
Tera Grass Heatran would like a word with you, I believe that's like the healthiest defensive mon in the tier. But in regards to Volc I don't find it particularly varied in the way to counter it depending on its tera. But hey what do I know, it's not like 1400s have heard that Volc is amazing so i'm not facing that many. Really it's just a thing of state of tier, and it's very personal. I like what Volc has to offer and if it gets overbearing then so be it, but that's what I think and I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise. I feel in a similar way to Arch, it was amazing utility and if that meant I had to endure rain sets that's a price I was willing to pay. And I don't wanna get too "slippery slope" but I feel that once Volc was originally banned, a lot of things started becoming broken. I am aboard the ban train and something needs to change in the tier, but I just don't see how Volc is the starting point. I gotta say that I appreciate the council's work enormously bc Volc is a contentious mon (in that ppl feel very attached to it and felt the ban was unjustified (but not uncalled for)), and I feel TB suspecting was something that they didnt really wanted to push for, but I appreciate that they're giving us this out of "okay lets try banning TB and see how things change". I personally don't see much changing besides Eleki coming back down, but it's a very nice and timely optic move that will help movilize a lot of more stubborn people.
how about, IronPress skarm, or Kingambit, or the #4 most used Mon in the tier Lando-T
Well that's inconsistent - instantly shutting down an attempt to discuss Tera's place in the tier then saying that handpicking counterplay is a "tell tale sign of a problem." Is that not exactly how Tera works?
Because it is solely limited to volc. Show me any other mon besides volc, regieleki, terapagos and esparthra that are broken purely by tera. Every other mon that was banned/is banworthy is broken without tera. Why are you banning a whole mechanic to keep a few mons.
Kingambit:
