To the people requesting TC, nominations will go up in a day or two — sorry for the delay and I am not ignoring.
I wonder why a Pokemon that was banned in the first half of the month has low usage for that month (just in case this isn't satire).LMAO! Gouging Fire got banned even though it would not have been OU by usage.
Proof that Gouging Fire should have never been banned.
Okay, so... Usage ≠ Banworthiness.LMAO! Gouging Fire got banned even though it would not have been OU by usage.
Proof that Gouging Fire should have never been banned.
how dare you contradict the word of krazykoopa95, who even are youI wonder why a Pokemon that was banned in the first half of the month has low usage for that month (just in case this isn't satire).
Honestly, this is where I've been thinking. I voted No Tiering Action in the original. If there was a test again, even for hard ban / no ban, I would vote Ban.
"Why do you keep bringing up Tera?"
I'll go ahead and answer the question nobody asked. Tera breaks broken mons more. (Try saying that five times fast.)
While Tera is pretty readable, and while you can absolutely work around it in most cases, Tera is a very strong option when used effectively - especially on mons that were on the verge of being busted or were already overpowered. I'm not trying to advocate for any action on Tera itself, but Tera does seem to be really good at pushing things over the edge (or making them even more bothersome). It was just worth noting, so I brought it up.
In my opinion great tusk is probably the most consistent pokemon in gen 9 ou (besides maybe dragapult) and it is one of the best for it. It just does its job which is clearing hazards and providing mild offensive support. That combined with its strong speed and great defenses make it not only a great mascot for Gen 9 ou but probably a solid threat for generations to come. I would even go as far as calling it the next excadrill.I'm kinda shocked Great Tusk is #1 in terms of usage. I still think it's one of the best OU Pokemon still and can be difficult to truly answer without Tera or one of the RNG birds / Corvi / Cha, but I was seeing quite a bit of slander against it for the past few months, with gamers saying that Zama / Lando-T were better. Personally, I still see a lot of merit to Tusk's offensive utility, with it being able to provide a large amount of value in end-game scenarios against tricky Pokémon like Kingambit and Raging Bolt, particularly if Tera is exhausted. I've been really liking Rocky Helmet too on offensive sets to help chip Kingambit down as well.
Very little to say about the stats aside from that.
How do you even use Venusaur on Sun Teams? I feel like every single time I've tried to use it its gone terrible. Maybe its because I keep trying to do a Earthquake growth set to fuck over Glowking but even with two special moves and Growth it feels like it preforms terribly compared to... Anything else.
Honestly Ground is probably the best type throughout the entire franchise.Nobody is going to convince me that Ground types aren't buttfuckingly broken this genView attachment 674283
Great Tusk may actually be the coolest #1 usage mon ever for this reason: it's never seen before for the #1 usage Pokemon to be good at just 1-2 things. Landorus-Therian has many roles whether it be scarfer, spdef tank, defense invested pivot etc. Snorlax needs no mention, Latias and Jirachi in DPP have heavy versatility as well. Great Tusk and Kingambit as well kind of do just 1 thing, with Great Tusk of course to a lesser extent. In regards to Tusk its a defensive wall that has good immediate damage and semi-setup capabilities with Rapid Spin. It doesn't have roles outside of that, sure there's speed control with booster energy but it's still kind of the same thing a bulky attacker that has some setup capabilities. It's has some of the least versatility in role potential and set potential out of any #1 usage Pokemon, besides Kingambit who also has a similar thing going. Kingambit is a bulky attacker who turns into a late game cleaner, there's nothing else it really does.
BUT I think the coolest aspect of this is because Great Tusk/Kingambit lack versatility in options, when the meta changes to hurt Kingambit or Great Tusk, it's up to these Pokemon's allies to limit the negative meta changes. This is a bit of a complex idea but for example when Moltres became more popular this obviously hindered Great Tusk due to Flame Body. Unless you run troll Head Smash, you'll have to change your TEAM STRUCTURE to accommodate for new weaknesses Great Tusk has as it's a limited Pokemon. We saw these changes as well, Great Tusk + Garganacl bulky offense has become a more popular idea as Tusk Knock's molt and from there Garg forces pressure with Stealth Rocks or Salt Cure since it comes into Moltres everytime which will happen if you are using Great Tusk. For the first time ever the BEST Pokemon, can't adapt (outside of Tera ESPECIALLY in regards to Kingambit) which makes for some really interesting changes to team structures as the metagame changes over time.
In regards to the opposite where a good Pokemon is constantly able to adapt to meta changes, look no further than SS OU. Landorus-Therian was running defense invested sets for a while until it received more pressure from Pokemon like Dragapult, in which it changed to more Sp.Def orientated EV spreads.
Example of current BO garg + tusk team in high ladder: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2210513777
Brainrot. Literally brainrot.LMAO! Gouging Fire got banned even though it would not have been OU by usage.
Proof that Gouging Fire should have never been banned.
Stop me if you have heard this before. Great Tusk is a ground type pokemon with good speed good attack high defenses (all this compared to the rest of the tier) and access to the move rapid spin. It is generally used as a rapid spinner that can provide mild attacking support but sometimes it uses more offense tailored sets.Great Tusk may actually be the coolest #1 usage mon ever for this reason: it's never seen before for the #1 usage Pokemon to be good at just 1-2 things. Landorus-Therian has many roles whether it be scarfer, spdef tank, defense invested pivot etc. Snorlax needs no mention, Latias and Jirachi in DPP have heavy versatility as well. Great Tusk and Kingambit as well kind of do just 1 thing, with Great Tusk of course to a lesser extent. In regards to Tusk its a defensive wall that has good immediate damage and semi-setup capabilities with Rapid Spin. It doesn't have roles outside of that, sure there's speed control with booster energy but it's still kind of the same thing a bulky attacker that has some setup capabilities. It's has some of the least versatility in role potential and set potential out of any #1 usage Pokemon, besides Kingambit who also has a similar thing going. Kingambit is a bulky attacker who turns into a late game cleaner, there's nothing else it really does.
BUT I think the coolest aspect of this is because Great Tusk/Kingambit lack versatility in options, when the meta changes to hurt Kingambit or Great Tusk, it's up to these Pokemon's allies to limit the negative meta changes. This is a bit of a complex idea but for example when Moltres became more popular this obviously hindered Great Tusk due to Flame Body. Unless you run troll Head Smash, you'll have to change your TEAM STRUCTURE to accommodate for new weaknesses Great Tusk has as it's a limited Pokemon. We saw these changes as well, Great Tusk + Garganacl bulky offense has become a more popular idea as Tusk Knock's molt and from there Garg forces pressure with Stealth Rocks or Salt Cure since it comes into Moltres everytime which will happen if you are using Great Tusk. For the first time ever the BEST Pokemon, can't adapt (outside of Tera ESPECIALLY in regards to Kingambit) which makes for some really interesting changes to team structures as the metagame changes over time.
In regards to the opposite where a good Pokemon is constantly able to adapt to meta changes, look no further than SS OU. Landorus-Therian was running defense invested sets for a while until it received more pressure from Pokemon like Dragapult, in which it changed to more Sp.Def orientated EV spreads.
Example of current BO garg + tusk team in high ladder: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2210513777
Holy shit thank you for the detailed write up. I've been using suggested Venu teams cuz in theory I like the idea of the coverage Venu brings, but it's just felt like I haven't been 'getting' it in terms of style. This gives me a good deal of insight, I'll have to give it a better run next time..I acutually like EQ Venu. Most of the mons that Venu wants to hit with a ground move get destroyed by EQ too and it has the added bonus of hitting special walls like Blissey, Clod and Slowking harder as you said. Good luck
Yes tusk is similar to Landorus-t but Landorus-t has always had way more versatility in SD, Explosion, U-Turn, grass Knot, Earth Power, HP and toxic utility in older gens, and most importantly the ability to use Sp.def invested sets. In general Tusk is a Landorus-Therian but min maxed to only be a bulky attacker and nothing else, it doesn't have the versatility to really do anything else. Landorus-Therian can be long term speed control via scarf, spdef sponge, a more reliable hazard controller (defog), utility mon with knock u turn toxic, offensive sets with CB or SD or lead sets with sr explosion. I get the comparison but Landorus-Therian if u look at all of it's roles ever has way more tools/roles compared to tusk.Stop me if you have heard this before. Great Tusk is a ground type pokemon with good speed good attack high defenses (all this compared to the rest of the tier) and access to the move rapid spin. It is generally used as a rapid spinner that can provide mild attacking support but sometimes it uses more offense tailored sets.
What pokemon that was especially good in gen 5 and 6 does this sound like?
Dude I was talking about excadrill xD but that is a good pointYes tusk is similar to Landorus-t but Landorus-t has always had way more versatility in SD, Explosion, U-Turn, grass Knot, Earth Power, HP and toxic utility in older gens, and most importantly the ability to use Sp.def invested sets. In general Tusk is a Landorus-Therian but min maxed to only be a bulky attacker and nothing else, it doesn't have the versatility to really do anything else. Landorus-Therian can be long term speed control via scarf, spdef sponge, a more reliable hazard controller (defog), utility mon with knock u turn toxic, offensive sets with CB or SD or lead sets with sr explosion. I get the comparison but Landorus-Therian if u look at all of it's roles ever has way more tools/roles compared to tusk.
Clearly stall Pokémon didn't increase in usage if all of them dropped to UU lol. Like how tf did Clodsire usage fall offUsage changes! Comparingthree month weightedSEPTEMBER ONLY to august
2nd (31.59%) -> 2nd (26.11%) -17%
3rd (24.09%) -> 4th (20.60%) -14%
5th (21.15%) -> 6th (18.46%) -13%
7th (19.83%) -> 8th (17.20%) -13%
9th (19.4%) -> 7th (17.63%) -9%
13th (14.62%) -> 9th (16.99%) +16%
8th (19.78%) -> 11th (16.5%) -17%
17th (12.61%) -> 12th (15.88%) +26%
10th (16.6%) -> 15th (15.29%) -8%
15th (12.95%) -> 15th (15.38%) +19%
23rd (8.94%) -> 18th (11.12%) +24%
22nd (9.71%) -> 19th (10.78%) +11%
19th (12.02%) -> 20th (10.22%) -15%
24th (8.86%) -> 21st (10.16%) +15%
27th (7.66%) -> 23rd (8.75%) +14%
20th (11.93%) -> 24th (8.21%) -32%
30th (5.93%) -> 26th (7.13%) +20%
33rd (5.31%) -> 28th (6.43%) +21%
41st (4.16%) -> 29th (6.27%) +51%
25th (8.75%) -> 32nd (5.76%) -34%
43rd (3.97%) -> 36th (5.13%) +29%
46th (3.24%) -> 40th (4.41%) +36%
ok edited for actual month to month instead of multi month weighted. I think its clear the meta decentralized a fair bit following the gouging fire ban, and balance and stall mons increased in usage a lot to take up some of the slack from offensive mons in the top range.
Note that the stats you're replying to are about the changes from August to September, while tier shifts are based on the three-month period of July to September. That's why Pokemon like Blissey and Clodsire dropped to UU despite having higher usage in September than in August.Clearly stall Pokémon didn't increase in usage if all of them dropped to UU lol. Like how tf did Clodsire usage fall off
I was genuinely shocked that clodsire was going to drop to uu when I saw the tier Shift predictions in September. How the heck did this happen? I thought clodsire was one of the better stall/defensive monsNote that the stats you're replying to are about the changes from August to September, while tier shifts are based on the three-month period of July to September. That's why Pokemon like Blissey and Clodsire dropped to UU despite having higher usage in September than in August.
0.0Note that the stats you're replying to are about the changes from August to September, while tier shifts are based on the three-month period of July to September. That's why Pokemon like Blissey and Clodsire dropped to UU despite having higher usage in September than in August.
It is, Stall is just not the most common playstyle on the latter for reasons of both practice and match-time (compared to tournaments where you only need to win a handful of matches against people at a higher skill ceiling and thus value consistency even if individual battles are longer). It just also hasn't had the strongest time in this tracking period thanks to Kyurem, and Gliscor probably won't make that much easier picking up in the latter's wake.I was genuinely shocked that clodsire was going to drop to uu when I saw the tier Shift predictions in September. How the heck did this happen? I thought clodsire was one of the better stall/defensive mons