Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4

All I’m saying is, if you consider SS OU to be a “highly skill based metagame”, one of the reasons that it is so, even if you don’t realize it, is because Gl*scor is not present.
Gliscor has nothing to do with this. It could be in the tier and it would still be a high skill based metagame unless it got voted to get banned. The core reasons for SS OU being seen this way include it having no generational gimmick with Dynamax banned, as well as Hidden Power being removed. Unexpected coverage is a lot harder to pull off in that tier and it's a lot easier to formulate gameplans because at most it's guessing what items the opponent has unrevealed. Gliscor would be very strong in a world with no hidden power ice and no tera blast ice, forcing urshifu/slowbro/weavile to do their best to keep it in check, but it would not be able to tera itself out of a 4x weakness like it does in gen 9. It would also lack Spikes and probably lacks Roost, meaning that it would most likely want to run some combination of Swords Dance + Knock Off + EQ/Facade to threaten Corviknight/Clefable, but no EQ comes at the cost of being walled by Melmetal + Heatran, the latter of which you would probably want Gliscor to act as a counter for.

The lack of gimmick alongside heavy duty boots being used on regenerator mons makes SS OU boring, but it rewards those that play consistently well over the duration of each game. You have to carefully plan out turns because it's easy to lose progress off of regenerator letting torn/slowbro/pex go from early KO'd to back to full, or easy to play passively and have the opponent set up a Future Sight + Teleport combo into you being forced to lose a mon.

Personally I call it the "no nonsense" tier and like it for that reason, and more people are liking SS OU for that reason after experiencing the chaos Gen 9 brought. This post was a bit off topic and theorymons a bit, but I wanted to reply to that.
 
It would also lack Spikes and probably lacks Roost
do we know this, though? spikes was tr23 last gen. there's no way to know for sure whether game freak would have given them to our theoretical gen 8 gliscor or not, although it did learn it in legends arceus. and it would also still have roost because transfer moves were intact in gen 8. although i do agree with your main point that gliscor would be fine in 8, largely because, well, it can't tera and weavile is one of the best mons in the tier, and that 8 is one of the most skill-based gens because we don't have to deal with wacky zany generational gimmicks™ like tera or z-moves
 
Ogerpon-Cornerstone is not a Gliscor answer since she's neutral to Ground. You would need Grassy Terrain support for her to not fold to Gliscor.

+2 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Ogerpon-Cornerstone: 237-280 (78.7 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Not exactly. First of all, you resist Facade which is kind of a big deal. You also have Sturdy so you could live any hit. That along side a faster speed tier can have you win it. You can also predict the Protect to SD up and/or Encore after the Protect or SD. It's not a bad matchup depending on circumstances.
 
Not exactly. First of all, you resist Facade which is kind of a big deal. You also have Sturdy so you could live any hit. That along side a faster speed tier can have you win it. You can also predict the Protect to SD up and/or Encore after the Protect or SD. It's not a bad matchup depending on circumstances.

I guess that is true. You can outplay it with Encore, but it's still not a good long-term check since Gliscor can just predict Rockpon coming in and use Earthquake to chip it. Rockpon is easily chipped by hazards and doesn't have Gliscor's staying power.
 
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Dragonite is much more problematic than Moon, all of Moon's most popular Tera options have an exploitable weakness and they all die to strong priority. Moon can also be OKOed. Dragonite on the other hand doesn't really even need Tera unless it has to break something super bulky like defensive Great Tusk, it's basically impossible to OKO without either a supereffective multi-hit move (of which there is a short supply) or already being boosted, which basically guarantees the ability to DD on almost anything (much like Gouging Faceplate), and after just a single DD becomes impossible to both out-bulk and out-speed. E-Speed negates both of the most prominent forms of counterplay to setup sweepers, which are priority and speed, namely, something which Moon cannot do.
DRAGONITE MENTIONED!!!!!

I have been wanting to talk about dragonite on here but I am going to wait to make a more dedicated post. The main thing I want to say is though I don't think dragonite is anywhere near broken I think it is overall the best dragon type in the tier
 
Ogerpon-Cornerstone is not a Gliscor answer since she's neutral to Ground. You would need Grassy Terrain support for her to not fold to Gliscor.

+2 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Ogerpon-Cornerstone: 237-280 (78.7 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
okay so only in theory
 
Ogerpon-Cornerstone is not a Gliscor answer since she's neutral to Ground. You would need Grassy Terrain support for her to not fold to Gliscor.

+2 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Ogerpon-Cornerstone: 237-280 (78.7 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
A lot of SD Gliscor are Facade + Knock with no EQ, aren’t they?
Swords Dance + Knock Off + EQ/Facade to threaten Corviknight/Clefable, but no EQ comes at the cost of being walled by Rotom-Wash + Heatran
Rotom has Levitate? Am I missing something here

TPP edit: I meant Melmetal, ty for catching that.
 
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Just want to put my own 2 cents real quick I think regular ogerpon is better than Dwayne the rockpon (xD) against gliscor because it resists earthquake and can carry an item besides a mask (like choice band or life orb) which can make it even stronger
 
While I agree that Iron Crown loses a big reason to use it with Kyurem's ban, it still checks Glimmora (by preventing it from getting hazards up), Iron Valiant, Hatterene, Deoxys-Speed, Enamorus, Clefable, and Tera Fairy mons as you say, so I can see it still retaining enough usage to stay OU although it'll be more borderline. It also has Psychic Noise to disrupt walls, which is still a valuable tool to have especially with the meta likely becoming fatter.

Iron Crown as a defensive presence does lose a little bit, but it's still a good breaker with Choice Specs. Arguably, Kyurem's ban lets it become more of an offensive mon since AV isn't so tempting anymore. Specs Tachyon does a lot to everything and PsyNoise is an ugly STAB to hit walls with.
 
The meta is saved, now I can 6-0 every team with Hydrapple and SD Gliscor

Happy Birthday Finchinator

Can we talk about Hydrapple for a sec here? Like, what does it even want to do? It has sooo many options and a looot of possibilities but like, none are amazing. Like if I go NP I miss out on its great defensive capabilities. Choose Regen and you miss out on Sticky Hold. I try to fit Fickle Drain BP TB and I don't have room for all the moves I would want on it. The sample sets don't really say much to me. How are ppl using it?
 
Can we talk about Hydrapple for a sec here? Like, what does it even want to do? It has sooo many options and a looot of possibilities but like, none are amazing. Like if I go NP I miss out on its great defensive capabilities. Choose Regen and you miss out on Sticky Hold. I try to fit Fickle Drain BP TB and I don't have room for all the moves I would want on it. The sample sets don't really say much to me. How are ppl using it?
I have liked Regenerator Tera Steel with Gyroball/TB, Fickle Beam, and EP/EQ. 4th move and item can change depending on what you are doing. I don't know if I would run AV anymore with Kyurem banned, but I don't know that I wouldn't yet. AV Regenerator is generally pretty good.

Max defense Body Press could be complementary on AV or Curse sets with Gyro Ball. Growth is also an option over NP if you want a mixed attacker that isn't just a special attacker with BP.

Another possible option is Tera Water Hydro Pump, which might be more viable with Kyurem gone. I have not tested this, though.
 
Iron Crown as a defensive presence does lose a little bit, but it's still a good breaker with Choice Specs. Arguably, Kyurem's ban lets it become more of an offensive mon since AV isn't so tempting anymore. Specs Tachyon does a lot to everything and PsyNoise is an ugly STAB to hit walls with.
Specs is also worse now. Kyurem was the main Pokemon it could force out with Goober damage. All the replacement wallbreakers have much better MUs into it. Raging Bolt just sets up on Tachyon unless it's Tera Fairy. Hydrappl doesn't like Crown admittingly, but it's not a slam dunk MU like it was against Kyurem. Ogerpon-W resist Tachyon, Darkrai forced Crown out + makes clicking Psychic Noise a gamble, as does weavile. Even mons like Val / Enam have a much better crown MU than Kyurem since they are faster and hit it with goober damage (w/o the protection of AV). And the Ting-Lu that crown already struggled against will be drastically more popular now, limiting Crown even more by making free progress with Ruination or Spikes (which also hurts Crown more than other Pokémon because it doesn't run boots).

Idk id like to be optimistic but I can't see Crown doing anything but flipping burgers rn.
 
Specs is also worse now. Kyurem was the main Pokemon it could force out with Goober damage. All the replacement wallbreakers have much better MUs into it. Raging Bolt just sets up on Tachyon unless it's Tera Fairy. Hydrappl doesn't like Crown admittingly, but it's not a slam dunk MU like it was against Kyurem. Ogerpon-W resist Tachyon, Darkrai forced Crown out + makes clicking Psychic Noise a gamble, as does weavile. Even mons like Val / Enam have a much better crown MU than Kyurem since they are faster and hit it with goober damage (w/o the protection of AV). And the Ting-Lu that crown already struggled against will be drastically more popular now, limiting Crown even more by making free progress with Ruination or Spikes (which also hurts Crown more than other Pokémon because it doesn't run boots).

Idk id like to be optimistic but I can't see Crown doing anything but flipping burgers rn.
I mean don't get me wrong I understand why you say this but you forget...iron crown does have booster energy sets that it can just use to become an offensive presence without worrying about the one move limit of choice specs
 
Anyway though it is time for yet another edition of The Random Mons Of OU! Whoever sends me a dm of a pokemon ru or above first (no ubers and no repeat ones) will have their pokemon be talked about. Please remember to tell me in the dm whether you want credit for the suggestion or not
 
Specs is also worse now. Kyurem was the main Pokemon it could force out with Goober damage. All the replacement wallbreakers have much better MUs into it. Raging Bolt just sets up on Tachyon unless it's Tera Fairy. Hydrappl doesn't like Crown admittingly, but it's not a slam dunk MU like it was against Kyurem. Ogerpon-W resist Tachyon, Darkrai forced Crown out + makes clicking Psychic Noise a gamble, as does weavile. Even mons like Val / Enam have a much better crown MU than Kyurem since they are faster and hit it with goober damage (w/o the protection of AV). And the Ting-Lu that crown already struggled against will be drastically more popular now, limiting Crown even more by making free progress with Ruination or Spikes (which also hurts Crown more than other Pokémon because it doesn't run boots).

Idk id like to be optimistic but I can't see Crown doing anything but flipping burgers rn.

I mean, I see your point, but also that's kinda how breakers work. They're supposed to be forced out by faster offensive threats with their benefit being their huge damage output. All of these mons still forced out Crown when Kyurem was around. I do admit that I didn't think about Kyurem being a nice entry point for Specs Crown but we'll see how it plays out.
 
Specs is also worse now. Kyurem was the main Pokemon it could force out with Goober damage. All the replacement wallbreakers have much better MUs into it. Raging Bolt just sets up on Tachyon unless it's Tera Fairy. Hydrappl doesn't like Crown admittingly, but it's not a slam dunk MU like it was against Kyurem. Ogerpon-W resist Tachyon, Darkrai forced Crown out + makes clicking Psychic Noise a gamble, as does weavile. Even mons like Val / Enam have a much better crown MU than Kyurem since they are faster and hit it with goober damage (w/o the protection of AV). And the Ting-Lu that crown already struggled against will be drastically more popular now, limiting Crown even more by making free progress with Ruination or Spikes (which also hurts Crown more than other Pokémon because it doesn't run boots).

Idk id like to be optimistic but I can't see Crown doing anything but flipping burgers rn.

Crown could have the most terrible matchup against everything, but denying Glimmora is HUGE so it will always have that niche
 
Well the pokemon we are covering today is hoopa unbound (who I will call hoopa u for simplicity) who is ranked rubl and the person who dmed me was Yveltyyy. Despite being rubl hoopa u is one of the best pokemon in uu and more importantly is also viable in ou. Before I go on I have used and battled against hoopa u less than any other pokemon I have done so far so forgive me for any inaccuracies.

Hoopa u is a psychic dark pokemon with one of the highest physical and special attack stats of all time. It has a versatile movepool including drain punch psychic noise knock off thunderbolt grass knot nasty plot and its signature move hyperspace fury a 100 bp dark type physical attack that lowers your defense by 1 stage every time you use it. It usually uses assault vest to boost its already high special defense even further. With its insane power it does not need an attack or special attack boosting item and focus on its defenses.

However hoopa u has 2 major problems. First is its abysmal typing. While psychic and dark are good stabs the typing doesn't work well together mainly due to it having no resistances and a crippling weakness to bug and by extension u turn. U turn is an extremely common pivot move that is used by multiple strong offensive pokemon and since it is a physical attack it also does even more damage than you would think thanks to hoopa u having rather low defense.

This leads into hoopa u's second big problem which is its low speed which is what causes it to get hit by many of these pivots in the first place. This also makes it harder for hoopa u to survive hits in general as what often happens is that it is killed before it can do anything.

Though it isn't a big deal hoopa u also has a pretty useless ability (magician) due to it being an ability that is basically thief which is completely useless competitively.

However there is no denying that hoopa u is extremely powerful and when it gets the chance it will kill at least one pokemon before it either dies or is forced to switch out. Thanks to its vast movepool and extremely high attack and special attack stats it will probably be uu soon and will certainly be one of the best ou pokemon to not be ranked ou. Anyway thank you for reading this and tell me your thoughts on hoopa u below. Anyway that is it for today and I will be back next time on The Random Mons Of OU so byeeeee
 
Well the pokemon we are covering today is hoopa unbound (who I will call hoopa u for simplicity) who is ranked rubl and the person who dmed me was Yveltyyy. Despite being rubl hoopa u is one of the best pokemon in uu and more importantly is also viable in ou. Before I go on I have used and battled against hoopa u less than any other pokemon I have done so far so forgive me for any inaccuracies.

Hoopa u is a psychic dark pokemon with one of the highest physical and special attack stats of all time. It has a versatile movepool including drain punch psychic noise knock off thunderbolt grass knot nasty plot and its signature move hyperspace fury a 100 bp dark type physical attack that lowers your defense by 1 stage every time you use it. It usually uses assault vest to boost its already high special defense even further. With its insane power it does not need an attack or special attack boosting item and focus on its defenses.

However hoopa u has 2 major problems. First is its abysmal typing. While psychic and dark are good stabs the typing doesn't work well together mainly due to it having no resistances and a crippling weakness to bug and by extension u turn. U turn is an extremely common pivot move that is used by multiple strong offensive pokemon and since it is a physical attack it also does even more damage than you would think thanks to hoopa u having rather low defense.

This leads into hoopa u's second big problem which is its low speed which is what causes it to get hit by many of these pivots in the first place. This also makes it harder for hoopa u to survive hits in general as what often happens is that it is killed before it can do anything.

Though it isn't a big deal hoopa u also has a pretty useless ability (magician) due to it being an ability that is basically thief which is completely useless competitively.

However there is no denying that hoopa u is extremely powerful and when it gets the chance it will kill at least one pokemon before it either dies or is forced to switch out. Thanks to its vast movepool and extremely high attack and special attack stats it will probably be uu soon and will certainly be one of the best ou pokemon to not be ranked ou. Anyway thank you for reading this and tell me your thoughts on hoopa u below. Anyway that is it for today and I will be back next time on The Random Mons Of OU so byeeeee
someone should do an anaylsis on this one imo

Hoopa-Unbound @ Choice Band
Ability: Magician
Tera Type: Dark / Fighting
- Hyperspace Fury / Knock Off
- Gunk Shot
- Zen Headbutt
- Drain Punch
 
someone should do an anaylsis on this one imo

Hoopa-Unbound @ Choice Band
Ability: Magician
Tera Type: Dark / Fighting
- Hyperspace Fury / Knock Off
- Gunk Shot
- Zen Headbutt
- Drain Punch


The general issue with set's that specifically only do well vs stall / ultra fat teams is it doesn't actually take that much effort to break through fat, to warrant utilizing an entire slot dedicated to only that role. Also it's pretty sub-optimal to rely so much on 1 slot to deal with stall because if the stall/fat team has some sort of uncommon countermeasure, or if something happens to said wall breaker then you're entire matchup is screwed. It's way more consistent to have counter play to stall/fat by using a combination of Pokemon, as this is more consistent across more matchups and is less susceptible to hax. Conversely it's way more difficult for fat balances and stalls to counter more developed strategies of stall breaking. Think of it like this, when you're building you are mainly thinking about type matchups, general roles, and not losing to SPECIFIC Pokemon. You are never preparing for a combination of Pokemon besides Future Sight stuff which is just tera dark on a random Pokemon lol. This is because defensively preparing for a combination of Pokemon is not worth it, as banking on a specific combo of 2-3 Pokemon is a bad idea statistically speaking. As an example the chance you face a Samurott-Hisui + Iron Crown + Ogerpon-w core is too low to factor into you're building. Also preparing for combinations of Pokemon is often too complex to even do since there's a lot of variables to guess. The idea of having a combination of Pokemon to break stall adds a layer of depth that the opposing stall/fat player has not prepared for and that in itself is more valuable than having 1 Pokemon for the matchup.

Now this doesn't mean every Choiced wall beaker is actually bad, for example Choice Specs Iron Crown had pretty good defensive utility in handling Kyurem along with a passable speed tier for revenge killing common Pokemon like Great Tusk. It also had Volt Switch which is crucial to a lot of Bulky Offense teams that desperately want pivoting moves. Hoopa-Unbound for example doesn't have this, or anything really. It doesn't have speed, or an impactful ability, or good defensive utility in it's typing / longevity / bulk. Really the only set it can use is AV to at least leverage it's bulk on the Spdef to give it a sense of defensive value, which allows it to come into Pokemon like Gholdengo furthering it's offensive value. The point is min maxing breaking power with little to no other good traits, usually just doesn't work.
 
I'm really just some random guy with opinions, but I do want to point out that this suspect wasn't all bad. I really loved how involved the top players were, since it feels like usually only a few outside of finch and ausma provide commentary. While I wish the first half could have been more civil, toward the latter half of the suspect, arguments were generally very strong, respectful, and convincing from both sides. Hopefully, the implementation of a qualified-only thread will encourage further debate among the tier's best minds in the future.

While this was probably the most hyped and contentious suspect after tera and gambit, I don't think it was as consequential. First, I do not think :Kyurem: was one of the main forces discouraging Zap-King-Lu type structures, at least not directly. These structures tended to fit :zamazenta: or :kingambit: as win cons, which can switch into dd/mixed kyurem at least once and force it out, which may alone be enough given Lu's hazards. Further, :slowking-galar: was a solid enough scout/pivot into special kyurem. especially with the adaptation of psychic noise for subtect. Its relation to Zap-King-Lu is more relevant when discussed in the context of Kyurem's role in preserving Gliscor. But for now, I don't think the viability of these structures will be too affected until/unless future tiering action occurs.

:Gliscor: is almost certainly the main winner of this ban, but I think it's important to look past the type chart when discussing its relationship with Kyurem. First, Kyurem was not a Gliscor counter, and could not really come in without being crippled, as every Gliscor runs either Knock or Toxic nowadays. Gliscor's whole shtick is lasting the entire game, so a short term check doesn't really prevent Gliscor from executing its gameplan, at least in a vacuum. And it has also been discussed to death that Kyurem is not the only viable ice beamer, with options like :Darkrai: and :Deoxys-speed: being arguably even more splashable and viable in the first place. However, what Kyurem did do was:

1. Pressure the defensive backbones of Gliscor teams:
There is no win con that outlasts SD Gliscor (if it doesn't tera) long term, so the best option would be to beat your opponent before Gliscor inevitably beats you. Kyurem is uniquely impossible to counter, in particular thriving vs the balance teams Gliscor usually fits on. Gliscor gave Kyurem opportunities (even if not in the long term) to wreak havoc, and so by removing Kyurem from the equation, Gliscor teams get significantly more freedom in both the builder and in-game, e.g. maybe some will be dropping balloon tink for a less passive/chippable mon. Kyurem was arguably the biggest factor encouraging Gliscor to run max speed as well, so Gliscor may now have more flexibility in relation to EV spreads, though I think max speed is probably still the way to go.
2. Force Gliscor to tera
One of the best ways to beat SD Gliscor on non-offense teams is to force it to tera on your terms instead of your opponent's, and stack spikes. Yeah, Gliscor could switch out on Kyurem... but to who lol? Ideally, Gliscor only wants to tera if it can secure a sweep or irreparable damage to your defensive core. Given how difficult Kyurem was to switch into, it provided a stronger incentive for the Gliscor user to just expend tera as a way to minimise losses, as opposed to something weaker like deoxys.

Future tiering action
Moving forward, I would support no further pokemon bans as I believe the current metagame is very fun and diverse. However, I think it would be a little silly to not at least suspect test :Gliscor: if SD remains at its current level of potency, if only on principle. It's probably the most problematic mon in the tier right now, and is only getting better with the :Kyurem: ban. I would still oppose a ban on grounds that SD has a poor matchup into offense, forces balance styles to be more proactive instead of do nothing regen spam (which isn't an unhealthy impact at all), and does take time to get going. We still have :Darkrai: as probably be the best substitute for Kyurem's Ice Beam, and it's not at all a bad pokemon.

Before Gliscor, I believe a tera blast suspect and hopefully ban should come next, giving metagame shifts/adapations to :Gliscor: time to occur. It is not broken, but inherently unhealthy. Its very purpose is to allow Pokemon to access coverage they shouldn't in order to beat things they shouldn't, with no real counterplay except dodging the matchup or it being a relevant enough meta pick such that it should be reasonably prepared for (e.g. ground moth). It is different from tera itself as for example, at least you know tera will never give Iron Moth a move to hit Heatran with.

To people more receptive to value based arguments (which I disagree with but whatever):
Tera blast brings 0 value to the tier. There is no down side to its removal, unless you like lottery moth being able to beat things it shouldn't.
More importantly, it allows us to instantly free :Regieleki: (speed control, spinner) and at least retest :Volcarona:. Regardless of how you feel about the Volc ban, I think we can all agree that Volc's defensive profile is greatly missed, even with Kyurem banned. Volcarona:
1. Checks:
:Zamazenta:, :Iron-Valiant:, :Gholdengo:, :Iron-Crown:

2. Discourages/Exploits:
:Dragapult: (specifically wisp + draco over wisp + darts), :Kingambit: (non tera fire/lum variants), :Darkrai: (getting a kill means a free qd), :Iron-Moth: (lottery simulator), and special spam in general

Finally, I started the suspect pro-ban and was gradually convinced that Kyurem was not broken. However, it really was an annoyance in the builder more than anything else, so it leaving is not something that I'm too disappointed about. Still, it wouldn't be very fair to one of the most borderline mons we have ever seen to not at least retest it if tera blast is banned, especially if :Volcarona: is unbanned as well. Also would not be opposed to testing :Palafin-Hero: as perhaps the final tiering action of this gen.
Probably the best post here in the last 10 pages or so. Even though I voted ban, the dnb arguements during the latter half of the suspect were very convincing and I was indeed questioning my own stance. Ultimately I decided Kyurem's power relative to its versatility was too much and it was by far the biggest freeze hax fisher in the tier, voting ban. My stance aside, what I like about this post is that it states what a lot of dnb posts didn't in the suspect thread, but was the underlying sentiment behind them, which is how Kyurem not only threatens Gliscor, but the teams Gliscor fits on.

This is something we might see come up more now in the metagame and potentially result in a Gliscor suspect, which is fine ofc. We'll see how the metagame changes with this development which I'm excited to see as I think SVOU is in a pretty good spot all things considered.

While this unfolds I also have to agree with this post in advocating for a tera blast suspect. I think this move is just slot machine garbage that detracts from the tier more than anything it could possibly add. If this move wasn't around, I'd very likely have voted dnb on both Kyurem and Volcarona should they still have been suspected. I also remember Srn posting a replay of Kingambit winning vs a team with Moltres, Zamazenta and Great Tusk at decent health iirc, which would never really be possible without tera blast regardless of what type Gambit would carry. So yeah, I'd love to see this move banned.
 
Expert Belt Meowscarada has been working nicely. You lose your ability to check Gliscor with a Choice item, but now you have the power to bluff it with an opening U-Turn into Triple Miss can wipe it out and fuck over stall. It also gives a lot of utility towards its other moves. Knock Off into Brick Break for King, Flower Trick to double dick Cargo, etc. Basically allows for Protean power + Coverage.

It's not so cold now that Kyu is gone, she can fit h the winter boots & scarf and dress for summer with a flashy new belt.
 
Expert Belt Meowscarada has been working nicely. You lose your ability to check Gliscor with a Choice item, but now you have the power to bluff it with an opening U-Turn into Triple Miss can wipe it out and fuck over stall. It also gives a lot of utility towards its other moves. Knock Off into Brick Break for King, Flower Trick to double dick Cargo, etc. Basically allows for Protean power + Coverage.

It's not so cold now that Kyu is gone, she can fit h the winter boots & scarf and dress for summer with a flashy new belt.
I've been preferring EB for basically this exact scenario. Being able to either remove the toxic orb turn 1 or feint being choiced into a Triple Axel ohko is just very nice, and you can always just click Knock a second time if you think they'll switch. I think Moltres and Corv are just a bit too much to muscle through to keep Meow out of fraudwatch, but in the matchups where it being a fast pivot comes in handy, EB helps it pick off notable targets like Woger or Glowking in one hit.
 
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