In this post, you said you would ban Gliscor in the same sentence you said it "isn't any more overbearing or banworthy than, like, most of the current metagame" and then called for bans on three other Pokemon without any reasoning besides...saying the playerbase gaslit themselves...? despite none of these Pokemon getting close to enough support over many opportunities. Perhaps just take a step back and breathe my dude. This is more silly than productive.
If you include tera, Kyurem and Woger are out too (Woger depending on the set). Also no aster*sks awesome sauce
I'm neutral on Gliscor, but comparing it to Gouging Fire is ridiculous. Gouging Fire was an overwhelmingly offensive threat that had the freedom to run multiple variations of its standard Dragon Dance set combined with multiple Tera-types to overwhelm any and all counterplay it had.
If you include tera, Kyurem and Woger are out too (Woger depending on the set). Also no aster*sks awesome sauce
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I think Gliscor is broken. We all know why. It’s immune to chip. It feels immortal sometimes. Taunt anything does kind of own every set, but still. It can punish fat, sure, but is that really a good thing? I mean, there’s a certain other mon in the tier that punishes fat and is generally quite broken. I don’t think fat needs more punishers when half the tier is breakers. (Also Gliscor IS fat. It’s a progress maker but also a progress denier due to Knock and Status indifference, as well as pretty much having Magic Guard due to being a spike immune rock neutral.)
Oh yeah and Gliscor has this little thing called Terastallization which can flip its counterplay. Sound familiar? Gouging Fire.
I was trying to say that if stronger pokemon than the one being suspected have been allowed to stay with a DNB result or are not even in the conversation for bans, then it's a valid conclusion to say "This should not go either then". It was not about who should go first.
(I'm guessing this is without counting Tera Fire) I just wanted to add this:
You never run attack unless you’re Tera Dark tbh, but the main point is that in the initial interaction you’re forced to eat a +3 BP and Roar with it against offense the first time through, which leaves it in range for other things you can check. It’s super easy to get by with this when pairing Zama with a Knock or CM Valiant, NP Ghold, Taunt Tusk, Fire Gambit, etc. and you’re allowed to risk the burn easier with RestoChesto in the back.
Does this mean you don't run Attack EVs unless you're Tera Dark, or something else I missed?
How fr is this? I'm not particularly surprised Tusk can run this. It's Tusk. But it feels like you'd run it on other teammates? Or is it just a case of Tusk carrying the utility burden for it's team?
On Rest / ID / BP / Crunch Zama, you typically run Speed, Defense, and HP EVs. If you are running Tera Dark, which typically you only do if you’re very well-off into Fairy types on your team and want to lure Ghold/GKing, then you can opt to run attack EVs for some ranges.
Ok so first off the first 3rd of this alomomola rant sound more in favor of it than otherwise. Second off personally I don't see why it should be banned in my opinion. It kind of has the same idea has gliscor (which I also think isn't banworthy) as a bulky pokemon that can seemingly do whatever it wants. However I would say at least gliscor has more (good) set variety. Sure alomomola has its av set but unlike gliscor (where both sets have equal viability and value) this set feels inferior to the standard wish set. Another problem with alomomola is that unlike gliscor it needs its item so it can ignore hazards. It can't afford to lose hdb or the regenerator ability does basically nothing. In short while wish is a powerful tool it isn't nearly as annoying as gliscor and though I think gliscor is annoying it shouldn't be banned imo
*validates
Ok first off I did not mean to put validates anywhere. Second off wth do you mean the tome of the post?
What is asinine about it? In spite of its advantages, it still needs a lot of team support to succeed on fat given the plethora of good knock absorbers such as corn clef Lando and other gliscor, as well as its weakness to common breakers such as Ogerpon-Wellspring and Darkrai. You once again are confusing "strong and dare I say "annoying" with "broken and needs to be removed." What it brings to the meta completely outweighs your petty annoyance
Why is "every set" the benchmark? Gliscor has maybe the biggest 4mss of all time, SD variants that don't carry toxic are forced out by roar, whirlwind, encore, and in general are easier to switch into since you don't have to risk toxic, but more passive toxic variants are weaker to aggressive play and also can be walled with mons such as Gholdengo in a way SD cannot, even solely looking at offensive variants, having to choose between two of facade EQ or knock leads to it getting completely walled by different meta threats. Gliscor has a ton of disadvantages they just are different depending on which set it runs, if "I have to use my brain to beat it" is the standard for a ban then Garg should have been removed long ago, however it hasn't been because that's ridiculous. DEFEND STALL, PRESERVE GLISCOR!
lowkey this kinda gives off an asshole vibe. cmon man youre better than this. i have autism and i genuinely couldnt tell it was a spelling error because i cannot read tone for shit.
If you're actually offended by that I don't know what to tell you. I was just making sure to correct myself because it seems like the spelling error shouldn't have actually caused any misunderstanding based on the context by the post, and one person misunderstanding might lead to another person misunderstanding as well, and since replies don't update on edits I kind of have to put that out there because otherwise someone else might misinterpret it. I guess I could have worded it a bit better but I'm also dumbfounded as to how there could be any ambiguity around my perceptions of that wretched thing.
I do not think of Alomomola as anything except for the cancer that is killing Gen 9 OU. It enables every part of this meta that sane people hate and its banning would make every threat in the tier more manageable as a whole.
I have a suggestion. Taunt. You stop Wish spam. I have another suggestion. Psychic Noise. You counter healing. I have a third suggestion. Double swap or click a pivot move since Alomomola is extremely telegraphed. I have a 4th suggestion. Rillaboom Woodhammer. I have a 5th suggestion. Try Wellspring, which uses Alomomola as setup fodder.
I have a 6th suggestion.
How about another suggestion?
