Shots fired.if you think mola teams are hard to fight you need to start playing the game and stop pressing super effective moves into whatever is in front of you because that stops working at like 1200
I love Alomomola so much
Shots fired.if you think mola teams are hard to fight you need to start playing the game and stop pressing super effective moves into whatever is in front of you because that stops working at like 1200
I was trying to say that if stronger pokemon than the one being suspected have been allowed to stay with a DNB result or are not even in the conversation for bans, then it's a valid conclusion to say "This should not go either then". It was not about who should go first.What is this trying to say?
(I'm guessing this is without counting Tera Fire) I just wanted to add this:Flamethrower doesn’t come close to a 3HKO.
You never run attack unless you’re Tera Dark tbh, but the main point is that in the initial interaction you’re forced to eat a +3 BP and Roar with it against offense the first time through, which leaves it in range for other things you can check. It’s super easy to get by with this when pairing Zama with a Knock or CM Valiant, NP Ghold, Taunt Tusk, Fire Gambit, etc. and you’re allowed to risk the burn easier with RestoChesto in the back.(I'm guessing this is without counting Tera Fire) I just wanted to add this:
0 SpA Moltres Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta: 105-124 (27 - 31.9%) -- 42.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
I'm not sure if Zamazenta usually runs max bulk all the time (I have teams where it does, teams where it doesn't) since running no attack EVs makes it less effective aganist Glowking / Gholdengo, less speed can make it lose aganist faster Zama Roar, but in this case I'm assuming this is a max bulk Zama.
27 to 31 is actually near a 3HKO especially when you consider that Zama when using Rest is inactive for three turns. Due to Rest having now 8 PPs, and Flamethrower 24, if you Moltres has Scorching Sands (I really like it to spread burn even faster + hitting a Glimmora / Heatran switching in) you are pretty close to straight up PP stall Zama's Rests. Zama is also 1 crit away while sleeping (which, if you hit a Pokémon 24 times, you have to honestly take into account) of just losing the 1v1, and either switch asleep or faint.
I do still think RestoChesto Zama is really good, I just wanted to make this point since I didn't agree with it. I do agree tho with with most of the points you made, just wanted to point out this.
Does this mean you don't run Attack EVs unless you're Tera Dark, or something else I missed?You never run attack unless you’re Tera Dark tbh
How fr is this? I'm not particularly surprised Tusk can run this. It's Tusk. But it feels like you'd run it on other teammates? Or is it just a case of Tusk carrying the utility burden for it's team?Taunt Tusk
On Rest / ID / BP / Crunch Zama, you typically run Speed, Defense, and HP EVs. If you are running Tera Dark, which typically you only do if you’re very well-off into Fairy types on your team and want to lure Ghold/GKing, then you can opt to run attack EVs for some ranges.Does this mean you don't run Attack EVs unless you're Tera Dark, or something else I missed?
How fr is this? I'm not particularly surprised Tusk can run this. It's Tusk. But it feels like you'd run it on other teammates? Or is it just a case of Tusk carrying the utility burden for it's team?
Ok so first off the first 3rd of this alomomola rant sound more in favor of it than otherwise. Second off personally I don't see why it should be banned in my opinion. It kind of has the same idea has gliscor (which I also think isn't banworthy) as a bulky pokemon that can seemingly do whatever it wants. However I would say at least gliscor has more (good) set variety. Sure alomomola has its av set but unlike gliscor (where both sets have equal viability and value) this set feels inferior to the standard wish set. Another problem with alomomola is that unlike gliscor it needs its item so it can ignore hazards. It can't afford to lose hdb or the regenerator ability does basically nothing. In short while wish is a powerful tool it isn't nearly as annoying as gliscor and though I think gliscor is annoying it shouldn't be banned imoMola hate has always been a thing, always will be a thing, and always should be a thing. It invalidates all of the most asinine playstyles from SubTect Kyurem to ZapKingLu and from ClodGanacl to any variant of stall. Banning Alomomola would be the single most positive tiering action taken this generation, as it would make every threat in the tier easier to manage by virtue of gutting their health recovery. Kingambit, Raging Neck, and Zamazenta can no longer heal back to full for free, you can’t have your special attackers nuked by a surprise Mirror Coat anymore to enable a sweeper, fatmons get easier to chip and break, offensive mons are easier to pressure, boots spammers have to actually worry about hazard chip, the list goes on.
*validatesOk so first off the first 3rd of this alomomola rant sound more in favor of it than otherwise. Second off personally I don't see why it should be banned in my opinion. It kind of has the same idea has gliscor (which I also think isn't banworthy) as a bulky pokemon that can seemingly do whatever it wants. However I would say at least gliscor has more (good) set variety. Sure alomomola has its av set but unlike gliscor (where both sets have equal viability and value) this set feels inferior to the standard wish set. Another problem with alomomola is that unlike gliscor it needs its item so it can ignore hazards. It can't afford to lose hdb or the regenerator ability does basically nothing. In short while wish is a powerful tool it isn't nearly as annoying as gliscor and though I think gliscor is annoying it shouldn't be banned imo
Ok first off I did not mean to put validates anywhere. Second off wth do you mean the tome of the post?*validates
should have been obvious that was a spelling error from the tone of the post
What is asinine about it? In spite of its advantages, it still needs a lot of team support to succeed on fat given the plethora of good knock absorbers such as corn clef Lando and other gliscor, as well as its weakness to common breakers such as Ogerpon-Wellspring and Darkrai. You once again are confusing "strong and dare I say "annoying" with "broken and needs to be removed." What it brings to the meta completely outweighs your petty annoyanceGliscor might be good against fat but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s absolutely asinine on fat cores. Mola teams will become insufferable and that’s fine, we can just ban Mola because of how broken it is. Lots of broken threats are able to guaranteed progress against fat teams, doesn’t mean that they also can’t be broken on fat teams. As for bootspam teams getting better with the bastard scorpion gone, JFL cry about it, if you actually think bootspam teams are a problem then you just suck at the game.
Why is "every set" the benchmark? Gliscor has maybe the biggest 4mss of all time, SD variants that don't carry toxic are forced out by roar, whirlwind, encore, and in general are easier to switch into since you don't have to risk toxic, but more passive toxic variants are weaker to aggressive play and also can be walled with mons such as Gholdengo in a way SD cannot, even solely looking at offensive variants, having to choose between two of facade EQ or knock leads to it getting completely walled by different meta threats. Gliscor has a ton of disadvantages they just are different depending on which set it runs, if "I have to use my brain to beat it" is the standard for a ban then Garg should have been removed long ago, however it hasn't been because that's ridiculous. DEFEND STALL, PRESERVE GLISCOR!Arguably, only Kyurem and Wogerpon can make progress against every Gliscor set. Everything else can be beaten in some way, and Gliscor is now better than ever at beating its checks. Hex users not only have to fear Knock Off but can also be caught off guard by Tera Normal. I’d go as far as to even say that aside from Kyurem and Wogerpon, Gliscor invalidates any Pokemon that doesn’t have a setup move, because it can just brainlessly Protect over and over again, becoming unkillable through Tera and being impossible to OKO unboosted without an Ice attack pre-Tera.
Mola hate has always been a thing, always will be a thing, and always should be a thing. It validates all of the most asinine playstyles from SubTect Kyurem to ZapKingLu and from ClodGanacl to any variant of stall. Banning Alomomola would be the single most positive tiering action taken this generation, as it would make every threat in the tier easier to manage by virtue of gutting their health recovery. Kingambit, Raging Neck, and Zamazenta can no longer heal back to full for free, you can’t have your special attackers nuked by a surprise Mirror Coat anymore to enable a sweeper, fatmons get easier to chip and break, offensive mons are easier to pressure, boots spammers have to actually worry about hazard chip, the list goes on.
lowkey this kinda gives off an asshole vibe. cmon man youre better than this. i have autism and i genuinely couldnt tell it was a spelling error because i cannot read tone for shit.*validates
should have been obvious that was a spelling error from the tone of the post
If you're actually offended by that I don't know what to tell you. I was just making sure to correct myself because it seems like the spelling error shouldn't have actually caused any misunderstanding based on the context by the post, and one person misunderstanding might lead to another person misunderstanding as well, and since replies don't update on edits I kind of have to put that out there because otherwise someone else might misinterpret it. I guess I could have worded it a bit better but I'm also dumbfounded as to how there could be any ambiguity around my perceptions of that wretched thing.Posting my DNB post when suspect thread opens. Gliscor will stay.
lowkey this kinda gives off an asshole vibe. cmon man youre better than this. i have autism and i genuinely couldnt tell it was a spelling error because i cannot read tone for shit.
I do not think of Alomomola as anything except for the cancer that is killing Gen 9 OU. It enables every part of this meta that sane people hate and its banning would make every threat in the tier more manageable as a whole.Arguably, only Kyurem and Wogerpon can make progress against every Gliscor set. Everything else can be beaten in some way, and Gliscor is now better than ever at beating its checks. Hex users not only have to fear Knock Off but can also be caught off guard by Tera Normal. I’d go as far as to even say that aside from Kyurem and Wogerpon, Gliscor invalidates any Pokemon that doesn’t have a setup move, because it can just brainlessly Protect over and over again, becoming unkillable through Tera and being impossible to OKO unboosted without an Ice attack pre-Tera.
Mola hate has always been a thing, always will be a thing, and always should be a thing. It validates all of the most asinine playstyles from SubTect Kyurem to ZapKingLu and from ClodGanacl to any variant of stall. Banning Alomomola would be the single most positive tiering action taken this generation, as it would make every threat in the tier easier to manage by virtue of gutting their health recovery. Kingambit, Raging Neck, and Zamazenta can no longer heal back to full for free, you can’t have your special attackers nuked by a surprise Mirror Coat anymore to enable a sweeper, fatmons get easier to chip and break, offensive mons are easier to pressure, boots spammers have to actually worry about hazard chip, the list goes on.
I have a suggestion. Taunt. You stop Wish spam. I have another suggestion. Psychic Noise. You counter healing. I have a third suggestion. Double swap or click a pivot move since Alomomola is extremely telegraphed. I have a 4th suggestion. Rillaboom Woodhammer. I have a 5th suggestion. Try Wellspring, which uses Alomomola as setup fodder.If you're actually offended by that I don't know what to tell you. I was just making sure to correct myself because it seems like the spelling error shouldn't have actually caused any misunderstanding based on the context by the post, and one person misunderstanding might lead to another person misunderstanding as well, and since replies don't update on edits I kind of have to put that out there because otherwise someone else might misinterpret it. I guess I could have worded it a bit better but I'm also dumbfounded as to how there could be any ambiguity around my perceptions of that wretched thing.
For clarification (cause apparently people are misinterpreting my post)
I do not think of Alomomola as anything except for the cancer that is killing Gen 9 OU. It enables every part of this meta that sane people hate and its banning would make every threat in the tier more manageable as a whole.
I have a 6th suggestion.I have a suggestion. Taunt. You stop Wish spam. I have another suggestion. Psychic Noise. You counter healing. I have a third suggestion. Double swap or click a pivot move since Alomomola is extremely telegraphed. I have a 4th suggestion. Rillaboom Woodhammer. I have a 5th suggestion. Try Wellspring, which uses Alomomola as setup fodder.
How about another suggestion?I have a 6th suggestion.
252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 812-956 (152 - 179%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This tells you all you need to know.
How about another suggestion?
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 638-752 (119.4 - 140.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I mean that isn't even max special attack. Also why would you ever have iron moth in on mola anyway let alone tera grass?yea nice calc from another should-be uber pal
132 SpA Tera Grass Iron Moth Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 530-626 (99.2 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
tera grass moth doesn’t even ohko guaranteed, if this isn’t grounds for calling for mola’s removal idk what is
Tera Grass Iron Moth is a good emergency answer to bulky Waters. Also, you're ignoring that Iron Moth near universally runs defense investment to survive priority and to obtain a speed boost.I mean that isn't even max special attack. Also why would you ever have iron moth in on mola anyway let alone tera grass?
fantastic job now calc it with +1yea nice calc from another should-be uber pal
132 SpA Tera Grass Iron Moth Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 530-626 (99.2 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
tera grass moth doesn’t even ohko guaranteed, if this isn’t grounds for calling for mola’s removal idk what is
Nice job admitting that beating Mola a lot of times comes down to RNGfantastic job now calc it with +1
correction: beating mola with a fire type that is reliant on a coin flip to be good is a situation that relies on rngNice job admitting that beating Mola a lot of times comes down to RNG