Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4

SD Fire Fang Scale Shot/Toxic Protect Gliscor. Fire Fang hits steels including birbs. Am I cooking?

How do I make this not a one-liner… uh Keldeo is pretty good. It hits pretty much every triple dark HO team mon for SE. Checks Gambit. I’ll try AV I guess. Synergizes with HWish Hatterene.

edit: nice we’re on page 619
 
EpicGuy321 said:
SD Fire Fang Scale Shot/Toxic Protect Gliscor. Fire Fang hits steels including birbs. Am I cooking?

How do I make this not a one-liner… uh Keldeo is pretty good. It hits pretty much every triple dark HO team mon for SE. Checks Gambit. I’ll try AV I guess. Synergizes with HWish Hatterene.

edit: nice we’re on page 619
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It’s not a bad idea in theory, but doesn’t this kind of go against the idea of ToxProc and Gliscor as a whole? If a priority user shows up and you have a defense drop then you’ll likely get forced out or mindgamed. Seems to me like this is goes against the idea of Gliscor’s longevity. I’d say you could even go as far to drop Toxic for U-Turn because this sounds like a max speed invested set to me.
 
EpicGuy321 said:
SD Fire Fang Scale Shot/Toxic Protect Gliscor. Fire Fang hits steels including birbs. Am I cooking?

How do I make this not a one-liner… uh Keldeo is pretty good. It hits pretty much every triple dark HO team mon for SE. Checks Gambit. I’ll try AV I guess. Synergizes with HWish Hatterene.

edit: nice we’re on page 619
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yeah but then you're hitting bulk monsters with 65bp coverage off of what is in the grand scheme of things a pretty average attack stat. it's better to have an actual counter to the birds than try to break through them with bad coverage (if fire punch dnite didn't already teach you this)
 
RainWaiv said:
yeah but then you're hitting bulk monsters with 65bp coverage off of what is in the grand scheme of things a pretty average attack stat. it's better to have an actual counter to the birds than try to break through them with bad coverage (if fire punch dnite didn't already teach you this)
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the fire punch dnite I run is dd scale shot encore, so I’ve learned nothing
 
Dead by Daylight said:
what if we innovated mono scale shot dnite with sub/dd/scale/encore
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EpicGuy321 said:
SD Fire Fang Scale Shot/Toxic Protect Gliscor. Fire Fang hits steels including birbs. Am I cooking?

How do I make this not a one-liner… uh Keldeo is pretty good. It hits pretty much every triple dark HO team mon for SE. Checks Gambit. I’ll try AV I guess. Synergizes with HWish Hatterene.

edit: nice we’re on page 619
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If we're going with the funny, then try:

Protect / Swords Dance / Facade / Toxic, with Tera Normal and specially bulky spread. Completely unable to harm Gholdengo and largely harmless into the steel birds, but nothing else can safely switch in. Run on a team with a Hex user or two and pretend it's primarily a support set, or run on semi-stall and pretend it's a real wincon.
 
Dead by Daylight said:
what if we innovated mono scale shot dnite with sub/dd/scale/encore
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Fairy types:


But anyways, the defense drops will make this Zamazenta food, especially Tera fairy zama, and literally any fairy type can wall this.
Dragonite thinks STAB is a social construct, just run the good old DD/E-speed/EQ/Encore set, it is largely harmless to gholdengo tho (with unpopped balloon). U can replace Encore with ice spinner, u can run fire punch instead of sub, really this isn’t that good of an idea.
 
Is it just me or has both this thread and the suspect thread been...quieter than it usually is? I haven't ever seen this little activity before. Is this a coincidence or is it a sign of waning interest in the tier?
 
UltraSword said:
Is it just me or has both this thread and the suspect thread been...quieter than it usually is? I haven't ever seen this little activity before. Is this a coincidence or is it a sign of waning interest in the tier?
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Could be part of it. But I think people are either busier than usual, simply don't have anything to say at the moment, or in the case of reqs, are getting them in the background and simply not engaging in the suspect thread. Can you actually blame those people?
 
Cyber-DJ said:
Could be part of it. But I think people are either busier than usual, simply don't have anything to say at the moment, or in the case of reqs, are getting them in the background and simply not engaging in the suspect thread. Can you actually blame those people?
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No lol I do not blame them in the slightest. Maybe it is also because there are 2 suspect threads and many of the more recent posts are there. I hope that is the case because though it isn't by favorite tier gen 9 ou is fun and I want to see it thrive.
 
UltraSword said:
No lol I do not blame them in the slightest. Maybe it is also because there are 2 suspect threads and many of the more recent posts are there. I hope that is the case because though it isn't by favorite tier gen 9 ou is fun and I want to see it thrive.
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I just hope this tier ends up aging gracefully, or at least well enough. As many gripes as I have with it, I don't think it's as bad as most people make it out to be, even if there's still annoying stuff here.

Also, I feel like Gliscor has a much less aggresive reaction than, say, Kyurem, since it's impact in the tier is less flashy and a lot more nuanced than " I kill stuff", so there isn't as much immediate discussion around it
 
Cyber-DJ said:
I just hope this tier ends up aging gracefully, or at least well enough. As many gripes as I have with it, I don't think it's as bad as most people make it out to be, even if there's still annoying stuff here.
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The only thing I really want at this point is for maybe a darkrai and a booster energy suspect and that is kind of it. I don't have any major problems with this tier other than that (besides the sleep ban that had no vote which was bs in my opinion but beside the point) and I hope it continues to flourish as well.

Cyber-DJ said:
Also, I feel like Gliscor has a much less aggresive reaction than, say, Kyurem, since it's impact in the tier is less flashy and a lot more nuanced than " I kill stuff", so there isn't as much immediate discussion around it
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It also helps that (at least from what I can tell from the qualified thread) that the discussion seems way more one sided (in favor of dnb in this case) than the kyurem suspect which was way more heated and was very close. My prediction is gliscor won't be banned (in fact it could be below 50% which wouldn't surprise me based on said one-sidedness)

Edit: All of this is at the moment of course so I could be wrong lol
 
UltraSword said:
The only thing I really want at this point is for maybe a darkrai and a booster energy suspect and that is kind of it. I don't have any major problems with this tier other than that (besides the sleep ban that had no vote which was bs in my opinion but beside the point) and I hope it continues to flourish as well.
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I swear if a year down the road Kyurem dodges a third ban, the shitposts will be reeeeeal.
UltraSword said:
It also helps that (at least from what I can tell from the qualified thread) that the discussion seems way more one sided (in favor of dnb in this case) than the kyurem suspect which was way more heated and was very close. My prediction is gliscor won't be banned (in fact it could be below 50% which wouldn't surprise me based on said one-sidedness)
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Gliscor will be to DLC2 what Melmetal was to late SS OU. I suspect a 50% banrate at most, but I can see it as low as 40%
 
Cyber-DJ said:
Gliscor will be to DLC2 what Melmetal was to late SS OU. I suspect a 50% banrate at most, but I can see it as low as 40%
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Granted I didn't play gen8 OU (played UU), isn't Kyurem a better comparison? Controversial strong offensive threat but with clear weaknesses and defensive merit
 
Cyber-DJ said:
Also, I feel like Gliscor has a much less aggresive reaction than, say, Kyurem, since it's impact in the tier is less flashy and a lot more nuanced than " I kill stuff", so there isn't as much immediate discussion around it
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May not be the case for everyone, but I find the ridiculously high req requirement and the shitshow of Kyurem suspect why I don't really care about Gliscor suspect anymore.
I still have some issues against it, but now it doesn't matter to me whether it's banned or not anymore.
 
pixelpenguin said:
Granted I didn't play gen8 OU (played UU), isn't Kyurem a better comparison? Controversial strong offensive threat but with clear weaknesses and defensive merit
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SS kyurem is far different from SV gliscor simply due to the function of both their offensive and defensive sets.

SV gliscor's defensive set is meant to be a spikes stacker on pretty much any archetype barring HO that can stick around and threatens most switch ins with a potential toxic, whereas SS kyurem's defensive sets lacks the same utility role in favor of being a pressure staller with very potent offenses for the role. Sure, they can both be used to whittle down teams to be cleaned up by your designated cleaner such as ival or rilla or dnite or something of that nature, but that's where the similarities end.

Their offensive sets are much more similar. SV gliscor is a setup sweeper that is great at sticking around with PHeal and great natural bulk with a solid speed stat, with its main weakness being a dependence on a relatively subpar offensive stat and a reliance on tera when compared to other mons. SS Kyurem is much more immediately powerful with two fantastic offensive stats, letting it function as a reliable attacker on both sides with solid mixed sets as well. When you boil it down, though, they're both just somewhat fast attackers that stick around.

Kyurem was banned because it was amazing at doing both things, and gliscor likely won't because it has a fair share of weaknesses that are much more abusable in SV OU than Kyurem's weaknesses were in SS OU.
 
UltraSword said:
The only thing I really want at this point is for maybe a darkrai and a booster energy suspect and that is kind of it. I don't have any major problems with this tier other than that (besides the sleep ban that had no vote which was bs in my opinion but beside the point) and I hope it continues to flourish as well.
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We could've had a Darkrai test but nah ban sleep and make Amoonguss RU, Breloom NU and Brute Bonnet ZU at a cost
 
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